Philly offering Thybulle, #23 to create space?

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Sources have also said the Sixers are looking to make a three-team trade that could involve Matisse Thybulle and the No. 23 pick to create space. Sources have said the Sixers are attempting to trade Tobias Harris, but they are having a tough time getting teams to take on his lucrative contract.
Source: Keith Pompey @ The Philadelphia Inquirer

Keith Pompey @PompeyOnSixers
Sources: Sixers pursuing P.J. Tucker; Matisse Thybulle and a pick being shopped to create cap space

This rumor seems to disconnect Harris from the Thybulle / #23 package.  The rumor itself isn't that clear.  Why a 3-team trade?  What, besides cap space, are the Sixers trying to get out of it?  A future pick?  A pure cap dump?  Attaching Danny Green?

It has to be as part of a Harris dump.  The Sixers are $30+ million over the cap — the only way they’re getting space for Tucker is to dump Tobias.

As for the three-team trade, my guess is that they’re trying to take on little salary.  So Harris might go to one team that doesn’t have the full cap space to take him on, lesser salaries to create that space/match salaries go to the the third team, and the pick and Thybulle are spread amongst the two teams.

Green is dead salary too now.

He’s also not guaranteed for next year, so if the Sixers don’t want him on the books, they have 9 days to make that happen at no cost.

The Cs could take him into their TE, giving the Sixers a 10mil TE to work with during the season, without needing to pay him throughout the season.

Only if he were guaranteed prior to the trade.  His outgoing value is 0 because he’s not guaranteed for next year.

Again though, in two months, we could aggregate Green, Theis, Nesmith, and Pritchard for a bigger player.

[gouki88]

So here is what I could come up with.

Miami - Harris, future 2nd (from Bos)
Philly - Lowry, Tucker, future 2nd (from Bos)
Boston - Robinson, Thybulle, 23

So Boston absorbs Robinson into the Fournier TPE, Thybulle into a smaller TPE, and gets 23 for 2 future 2nd's.  Miami gets out of Lowry and Robinson while getting a solid player in Harris.  Philly gets out of Harris, but takes on Lowry and gets Tucker at the expense of Thybulle and 23.

Edit: And I totally get 3-team trades aren't common, especially for 3 contenders to all trade with each other, but I do think it is a trade that makes a fair amount of sense for all 3 teams.

Robinson’s salary is terrible and the Celtics should not need to trade 2nd round picks as part of it.  Bobby Marks was suggesting that moving Robinson would cost Miami a 1st and player.

If we were able to get Miami to swing 27 or a future 1st as part of the deal, would you do it? I think it would be pretty interesting. Leaves us with this as a team:

Smart / Pritchard
Brown / White / Thybulle
Tatum / Robinson / Nesmith
Horford / Grant / #23 (EJ Liddell?)
Rob / Theis

Would still have the MLE to try and beef up the bench wherever we see fit. It's interesting

[slamtheking]

So here is what I could come up with.

Miami - Harris, future 2nd (from Bos)
Philly - Lowry, Tucker, future 2nd (from Bos)
Boston - Robinson, Thybulle, 23

So Boston absorbs Robinson into the Fournier TPE, Thybulle into a smaller TPE, and gets 23 for 2 future 2nd's.  Miami gets out of Lowry and Robinson while getting a solid player in Harris.  Philly gets out of Harris, but takes on Lowry and gets Tucker at the expense of Thybulle and 23.

Edit: And I totally get 3-team trades aren't common, especially for 3 contenders to all trade with each other, but I do think it is a trade that makes a fair amount of sense for all 3 teams.

Robinson’s salary is terrible and the Celtics should not need to trade 2nd round picks as part of it.  Bobby Marks was suggesting that moving Robinson would cost Miami a 1st and player.

If we were able to get Miami to swing 27 or a future 1st as part of the deal, would you do it? I think it would be pretty interesting. Leaves us with this as a team:

Smart / Pritchard
Brown / White / Thybulle
Tatum / Robinson / Nesmith
Horford / Grant / #23 (EJ Liddell?)
Rob / Theis

Would still have the MLE to try and beef up the bench wherever we see fit. It's interesting

that would be a deeper team than what we had this season.  if Miami's kicking in their first this year, would like to see that as part of our roster or perhaps use both firsts (and maybe our second) to move up a few slots for shot at a better player.

thing is, based on brad's deals so far, he doesn't seem to care for draft picks

[DefenseWinsChamps]

So here is what I could come up with.

Miami - Harris, future 2nd (from Bos)
Philly - Lowry, Tucker, future 2nd (from Bos)
Boston - Robinson, Thybulle, 23

So Boston absorbs Robinson into the Fournier TPE, Thybulle into a smaller TPE, and gets 23 for 2 future 2nd's.  Miami gets out of Lowry and Robinson while getting a solid player in Harris.  Philly gets out of Harris, but takes on Lowry and gets Tucker at the expense of Thybulle and 23.

Edit: And I totally get 3-team trades aren't common, especially for 3 contenders to all trade with each other, but I do think it is a trade that makes a fair amount of sense for all 3 teams.

Robinson’s salary is terrible and the Celtics should not need to trade 2nd round picks as part of it.  Bobby Marks was suggesting that moving Robinson would cost Miami a 1st and player.

If we were able to get Miami to swing 27 or a future 1st as part of the deal, would you do it? I think it would be pretty interesting. Leaves us with this as a team:

Smart / Pritchard
Brown / White / Thybulle
Tatum / Robinson / Nesmith
Horford / Grant / #23 (EJ Liddell?)
Rob / Theis

Would still have the MLE to try and beef up the bench wherever we see fit. It's interesting

It gives us a lot of flexibility in 60 days to make another trade in which we would not need to give up Smart or White. We could aggregate multiple prospects together with Robinson and Theis to get a higher end rotation player. I'd be targeting a 4-5 that could replace Horford

[celticinorlando]

Jimmy butler is not a fan of Harris. Highly doubt that happens.

[Wretch]

I'd take Thybulle as a rotation player even if he can't play a lot o minutes in the playoffs much because he's a non-shooter.  He would be a minutes eater in the regular season so JB and JT don't have to get a worn down by the regular season as they were this year.

[Moranis]

So here is what I could come up with.

Miami - Harris, future 2nd (from Bos)
Philly - Lowry, Tucker, future 2nd (from Bos)
Boston - Robinson, Thybulle, 23

So Boston absorbs Robinson into the Fournier TPE, Thybulle into a smaller TPE, and gets 23 for 2 future 2nd's.  Miami gets out of Lowry and Robinson while getting a solid player in Harris.  Philly gets out of Harris, but takes on Lowry and gets Tucker at the expense of Thybulle and 23.

Edit: And I totally get 3-team trades aren't common, especially for 3 contenders to all trade with each other, but I do think it is a trade that makes a fair amount of sense for all 3 teams.

Robinson’s salary is terrible and the Celtics should not need to trade 2nd round picks as part of it.  Bobby Marks was suggesting that moving Robinson would cost Miami a 1st and player.

If we were able to get Miami to swing 27 or a future 1st as part of the deal, would you do it? I think it would be pretty interesting. Leaves us with this as a team:

Smart / Pritchard
Brown / White / Thybulle
Tatum / Robinson / Nesmith
Horford / Grant / #23 (EJ Liddell?)
Rob / Theis

Would still have the MLE to try and beef up the bench wherever we see fit. It's interesting

That was my thinking.  I like that team pretty well and does set up possible other moves.  If Boston could get an extra pick out of it, that would be fantastic as well.  I do think Robinson's decline has been greatly exaggerated because he didn't play a ton the last two series, but the guy started all year and is still an excellent shooter.  He even had some solid games against Boston in the playoffs and was + in the series overall.  He has a long contract, but it isn't that expensive, and when he catches fire he can alter a game.  You need players like that.  He is the type of guy you can go to to try and swing momentum in your favor in a game.

[Phantom255x]

This to me speaks a bit more about Thybulle than it does Harris. He really hasn't panned out and also the vaccination status is definitely something that teams have to be wary about, and I can't imagine the Sixers were happy that he had to miss those playoff games in Toronto because of it (even though PHI won the series)

[Who]

I read they were shopping Danny Green + 1st for a rotation player.

[tazzmaniac]

This to me speaks a bit more about Thybulle than it does Harris. He really hasn't panned out and also the vaccination status is definitely something that teams have to be wary about, and I can't imagine the Sixers were happy that he had to miss those playoff games in Toronto because of it (even though PHI won the series)

Hasn't panned out?  Defense was his strength coming into the draft and offense was his weakness.  Thybulle is one of the top defensive players in the league with a very limited offensive game.  So he's panned out as expected and he'll be able to ride his defense to a long career. 

[celticsclay]

This to me speaks a bit more about Thybulle than it does Harris. He really hasn't panned out and also the vaccination status is definitely something that teams have to be wary about, and I can't imagine the Sixers were happy that he had to miss those playoff games in Toronto because of it (even though PHI won the series)

Hasn't panned out?  Defense was his strength coming into the draft and offense was his weakness.  Thybulle is one of the top defensive players in the league with a very limited offensive game.  So he's panned out as expected and he'll be able to ride his defense to a long career.

They were clearly hoping he could develop at least a reliable corner three or some semblance of an offensive game. Instead his career high in three point shooting percentage was his rookie year. So yeah, he clearly hasn’t panned out which is why they are very open to trading him. This seems just blindly defending the 76ers for it. Truth is if he had panned out a bit more and even credibly shoot the 76ers may have been playing us in the ECF. Instead they only
Played him 15 minutes a game against Miami.

[celticsclay]

So here is what I could come up with.

Miami - Harris, future 2nd (from Bos)
Philly - Lowry, Tucker, future 2nd (from Bos)
Boston - Robinson, Thybulle, 23

So Boston absorbs Robinson into the Fournier TPE, Thybulle into a smaller TPE, and gets 23 for 2 future 2nd's.  Miami gets out of Lowry and Robinson while getting a solid player in Harris.  Philly gets out of Harris, but takes on Lowry and gets Tucker at the expense of Thybulle and 23.

Edit: And I totally get 3-team trades aren't common, especially for 3 contenders to all trade with each other, but I do think it is a trade that makes a fair amount of sense for all 3 teams.

Jesus is this bad. Do you realize Robinson is owed 70 million dollars guaranteed and was out of the heat playoff rotation for a team desperate for offense? My god that would be the worst trade since pre ainge. Makes me vomit a little bit anyone would think this possible.

[celticsclay]

So here is what I could come up with.

Miami - Harris, future 2nd (from Bos)
Philly - Lowry, Tucker, future 2nd (from Bos)
Boston - Robinson, Thybulle, 23

So Boston absorbs Robinson into the Fournier TPE, Thybulle into a smaller TPE, and gets 23 for 2 future 2nd's.  Miami gets out of Lowry and Robinson while getting a solid player in Harris.  Philly gets out of Harris, but takes on Lowry and gets Tucker at the expense of Thybulle and 23.

Edit: And I totally get 3-team trades aren't common, especially for 3 contenders to all trade with each other, but I do think it is a trade that makes a fair amount of sense for all 3 teams.

Robinson’s salary is terrible and the Celtics should not need to trade 2nd round picks as part of it.  Bobby Marks was suggesting that moving Robinson would cost Miami a 1st and player.

If we were able to get Miami to swing 27 or a future 1st as part of the deal, would you do it? I think it would be pretty interesting. Leaves us with this as a team:

Smart / Pritchard
Brown / White / Thybulle
Tatum / Robinson / Nesmith
Horford / Grant / #23 (EJ Liddell?)
Rob / Theis

Would still have the MLE to try and beef up the bench wherever we see fit. It's interesting

It gives us a lot of flexibility in 60 days to make another trade in which we would not need to give up Smart or White. We could aggregate multiple prospects together with Robinson and Theis to get a higher end rotation player. I'd be targeting a 4-5 that could replace Horford

Are people honestly not aware that Robinson has the worst contract in the league and is unplayable? He makes enes kanter look like an all defensive player.

[gouki88]

So here is what I could come up with.

Miami - Harris, future 2nd (from Bos)
Philly - Lowry, Tucker, future 2nd (from Bos)
Boston - Robinson, Thybulle, 23

So Boston absorbs Robinson into the Fournier TPE, Thybulle into a smaller TPE, and gets 23 for 2 future 2nd's.  Miami gets out of Lowry and Robinson while getting a solid player in Harris.  Philly gets out of Harris, but takes on Lowry and gets Tucker at the expense of Thybulle and 23.

Edit: And I totally get 3-team trades aren't common, especially for 3 contenders to all trade with each other, but I do think it is a trade that makes a fair amount of sense for all 3 teams.

Robinson’s salary is terrible and the Celtics should not need to trade 2nd round picks as part of it.  Bobby Marks was suggesting that moving Robinson would cost Miami a 1st and player.

If we were able to get Miami to swing 27 or a future 1st as part of the deal, would you do it? I think it would be pretty interesting. Leaves us with this as a team:

Smart / Pritchard
Brown / White / Thybulle
Tatum / Robinson / Nesmith
Horford / Grant / #23 (EJ Liddell?)
Rob / Theis

Would still have the MLE to try and beef up the bench wherever we see fit. It's interesting

It gives us a lot of flexibility in 60 days to make another trade in which we would not need to give up Smart or White. We could aggregate multiple prospects together with Robinson and Theis to get a higher end rotation player. I'd be targeting a 4-5 that could replace Horford

Are people honestly not aware that Robinson has the worst contract in the league and is unplayable? He makes enes kanter look like an all defensive player.

I don't find this to be true at all. My eye test doesn't rate him that badly, merely below average, and none of the advanced defensive metrics have him as that bad. Guys like McDermott, Terrence Ross and Patty Mills are all significantly worse at defence playing the exact same role, just off the top of my head. He started all year on the #1 seed in the East for a reason.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Who would have thought giving Tobias Harris a 5/180 contract would backfire

Maybe the headline got juiced up way beyond the actual substance of the article for clicks.