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Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2022, 06:25:18 PM »

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Man, Brad is seemingly a tad obsessed with adding guys he's had previous positive encounters with. Hopefully this works out for us.
Really glad about that, actually.  He has some inside perspective on this kid.
Plus, this pickup is a bit of a steal. I've only seen him play a couple of times, but he's got NBA athleticism and has a (small) history of actual production. If he can shoot mid-30s on threes I'd be happy.
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Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2022, 08:06:21 PM »

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonyeast/2022/01/08/indiana-pacers-waive-kelan-martin-to-create-flexibility-ahead-of-contract-guarantee-deadline/?sh=194d69d878a5

This kid can score some.
i suppose "some" is the operative word here. in three years his 3 point sits at 30%. he averages around 6 points in 16 minutes. his other counting stats are ho-hum.

i guess as a two-way player it is worth taking a flier on him and see what happens. i hope he does a great job for the celtics.

Anyone really expect Ume to play him?
none of his other coaches have played so far. so i expect that trend to continue.  ;D
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Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2022, 08:09:34 PM »

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Looks a bit like Stanley Johnson

Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2022, 08:29:27 PM »

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonyeast/2022/01/08/indiana-pacers-waive-kelan-martin-to-create-flexibility-ahead-of-contract-guarantee-deadline/?sh=194d69d878a5

This kid can score some.
i suppose "some" is the operative word here. in three years his 3 point sits at 30%. he averages around 6 points in 16 minutes. his other counting stats are ho-hum.

i guess as a two-way player it is worth taking a flier on him and see what happens. i hope he does a great job for the celtics.

Anyone really expect Ume to play him?

Brad...

Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2022, 10:02:21 PM »

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I've always been a fan of teams toying at the end of their roster with hungry, unselfish players that had physical ability. Every once in a while you can get a Dort or Tate or Tucker, etc on a great contract that carves out a well-defined role.

10 day contracts are a great way to encourage hunger and give opportunity to these kind of players.

From a sales/negotiation tactic, if the Cs do like a player, it may make the player a little more desperate to sign a long-term contract, even if the contract has partial guarantees, team options, and its the absolutely minimum the team can offer.

I also think it breathes a little life into the team. Fresh energy can be helpful in those cold February games.

Good take. TP

Hope Ime is able to make use of him.

Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2022, 08:23:23 AM »

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“We’re looking for a specific skill set, body type and some of the things that match well with our team,” Ime Udoka said. “We think those two fit into that role.”
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Saying "we" means he and Brad worked together.  I like it and I feel this is a departure from Danny Ainge who never talked about body type. That's why they ended up with a string of undersized power forwards ("tweeners") and short point guards.

Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2022, 08:59:39 AM »

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... I feel this is a departure from Danny Ainge who never talked about body type. That's why they ended up with a string of undersized power forwards ("tweeners") and short point guards.

Danny targeted long, strong guards pretty frequently, didn't he?  Particularly in the draft?  He definitely had a body ideal.

I'm sure he had a body ideal for big men, too, but those types of guys are rarely available late in the draft (DeAndre Jordan being the one exception who would have seemed to fit the Celtics' philosophy at the time; Danny instead picked a long, strong guard.)


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Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2022, 09:41:55 AM »

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... I feel this is a departure from Danny Ainge who never talked about body type. That's why they ended up with a string of undersized power forwards ("tweeners") and short point guards.

Danny targeted long, strong guards pretty frequently, didn't he?  Particularly in the draft?  He definitely had a body ideal.

I'm sure he had a body ideal for big men, too, but those types of guys are rarely available late in the draft (DeAndre Jordan being the one exception who would have seemed to fit the Celtics' philosophy at the time; Danny instead picked a long, strong guard.)
No, and I'm not referring just to the draft, Roy --  Payton Pritchard, Carson Edwards, Tremont Waters, Terry Rozier, Kemba Walker, Isaiah Thomas...

Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2022, 09:55:04 AM »

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... I feel this is a departure from Danny Ainge who never talked about body type. That's why they ended up with a string of undersized power forwards ("tweeners") and short point guards.

Danny targeted long, strong guards pretty frequently, didn't he?  Particularly in the draft?  He definitely had a body ideal.

I'm sure he had a body ideal for big men, too, but those types of guys are rarely available late in the draft (DeAndre Jordan being the one exception who would have seemed to fit the Celtics' philosophy at the time; Danny instead picked a long, strong guard.)
No, and I'm not referring just to the draft, Roy --  Payton Pritchard, Carson Edwards, Tremont Waters, Terry Rozier, Kemba Walker, Isaiah Thomas...

This may be a discussion for another thread, but I see a marked difference in the type of players we acquired and pursued somewhere 2-3 years before Ainge left. I've become increasingly convinced that Ainge started a transition strategy and gave more and more basketball decision-making powers to his son and others in the organization, thinking he would soon retire-ish and they could take over.

Ainge targeted tough-nosed athletes with a chip on their shoulder. He was willing to get undersized guys if they played bigger (Rozier, Smart, Morris, and back further with Perkins, Davis, Powe, etc.). In fact, I think that was a market inefficiency that Ainge exploited. Height isn't as important as fans think.

There just seemed to be a clear divide in the decision-making process between a guy like Terry Rozier and Evan Fournier. Maybe the front office was more divided than we thought, or maybe Ainge just made bad decisions.

I don't think we are going to run into that with Brad Stevens. He's a pretty laser-focused guy. I think he will continue to do a good job getting the type of players that he and Ime think will work well in their scheme to be successful.

Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2022, 10:04:42 AM »

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This talk of targeting a specific body type or whatever, there is not single answer.  Player evaluation has to be all of the above.  If you focus on one thing too much, it can cause you to overlook other things.  If you look too much at shooting vs whatever.

At this point in the season, for the role that Martin will play, it is not that big of a deal.  But when you think about drafting or building a team, you have to be careful about focusing too much on any one thing.

Re: Kelan Martin pickup
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2022, 10:56:29 AM »

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What are you looking for in the buyout market as you look to fill out the roster?

Brad Stevens: I think the No. 1 thing when you look at our team is we have pretty good depth down the line with ballhandlers. We have pretty good depth with the addition of Kornet and Theis with our bigs. We want to make sure we are as fortified in the wing area and specifically in versatile wings that can guard a number of positions and can be 3-and-D type plug-in players. I think that’s really important. I’m excited to learn more about Malik (Fitts) and Kenan (Martin). There’s a natural connection that could be made to Kenan but I never coached him (at Butler). I followed him closely and his improvement has been really good and I thought he had a good stint with the Pacers. Both of those guys are big, strong guys that can guard a number of positions and that are hungry.


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