Utah interested in Josh Richardson?

[Who]

What would the deal be, Jordan Clarkson?  Otherwise, I see no structure for a deal.

I don't see anything they might give up that I would like better than Richardson

As I read the deal, it was Ingles and a 1st for Josh, us knowing that Ingles is out for the year.  Might make sense, he's a UFA after the season, could open up some cap space.  Also, opens up more minutes for Romeo, Nesmith, and PP.

that's a horrible reason to make that deal.  trading for a UFA that's out for the season and getting a late first (even if it's 4 years out, Utah still figures to be pretty good) while force-feeding minutes to 3 young guys that aren't playing consistently? 

need better than that coming back for Richardson.

Utah could fall apart at any moment. A lot of rumours about Donovan Mitchell leaving the team when he hits free agency. Mike Conley is old. That is your offense -- gone! And back to the lottery they go.

It'll be interesting to see how Rudy ages as well. At his size (7-2) it may prove difficult to maintain his speed & agility so we could see a considerable drop-off in his defensive impact at an earlier than normal age (relative to other centers). They would have a huge impact on the W-L column.

There also seems to be a nervousness there that they are not good enough and need to make changes. That may work out or they may make a mess of it. That is another way they could fall apart.

4 years is a lot of time for that group ... and for a role player like Josh Richardson? That pick could be gold. A risk well worth taking in my view.

[Celtics2021]

What would the deal be, Jordan Clarkson?  Otherwise, I see no structure for a deal.

I don't see anything they might give up that I would like better than Richardson

As I read the deal, it was Ingles and a 1st for Josh, us knowing that Ingles is out for the year.  Might make sense, he's a UFA after the season, could open up some cap space.  Also, opens up more minutes for Romeo, Nesmith, and PP.

That adds $1.5M to our salary.  I don't see any reason to do this unless Ingles and the pick go elsewhere and we get something else.

Richardson AND Schroder for Bogdanovic doesn't make sense either, at least to me.  That would add salary also.

$1.5 million isn't insurmountable if the C's had something else lined up for Schroder (i.e. the Cavs, who could structure a deal that saves the C's $3-4 million).

I understand but why do this for a 2026 first round draft pick.  Sure, Utah is interested in Richardson, it would be a great fit for them.  But I see no deal for us here, unless a 3rd team gets involved.  I don't buy the "open up minutes for Nesmith" argument.  That is no reason to make a bad trade.

It's really hard to get 1st round picks for a non-starter on a greater than mid-level salary.  If the Celtics could pull off a 1st with some protection, but one that was still ultimately likely to convey, that's a really good deal on its own.  The C's acquired Richardson basically for free over the summer -- turning him into a first 6 months later would be small coup.

Richardson has lived up to the expectations the Celtics had for him, but the team hasn't.  Still, he's not a core player, and should be available for the right price.  To me, a future 1st and an expiring is absolutely the right price.  I don't care much about the opening up minutes discussion.  There's an argument that either Nesmith or Langford might blossom into a worthy rotation player if given a consistent 20-25 minutes a night for the next two months.  They've both shown moments (Langford more than Nesmith imo), but that's more of a downside reduction to me.  As in, maybe if we give Langford these minutes we'll get 90% of the production of Richardson, so we won't be much worse off this season, and will have a pick to show for it.

[RodyTur10]

What would the deal be, Jordan Clarkson?  Otherwise, I see no structure for a deal.

I don't see anything they might give up that I would like better than Richardson

As I read the deal, it was Ingles and a 1st for Josh, us knowing that Ingles is out for the year.  Might make sense, he's a UFA after the season, could open up some cap space.  Also, opens up more minutes for Romeo, Nesmith, and PP.

that's a horrible reason to make that deal.  trading for a UFA that's out for the season and getting a late first (even if it's 4 years out, Utah still figures to be pretty good) while force-feeding minutes to 3 young guys that aren't playing consistently? 

need better than that coming back for Richardson.

Utah could fall apart at any moment. A lot of rumours about Donovan Mitchell leaving the team when he hits free agency. Mike Conley is old. That is your offense -- gone! And back to the lottery they go.

It'll be interesting to see how Rudy ages as well. At his size (7-2) it may prove difficult to maintain his speed & agility so we could see a considerable drop-off in his defensive impact at an earlier than normal age (relative to other centers). They would have a huge impact on the W-L column.

There also seems to be a nervousness there that they are not good enough and need to make changes. That may work out or they may make a mess of it. That is another way they could fall apart.

4 years is a lot of time for that group ... and for a role player like Josh Richardson? That pick could be gold. A risk well worth taking in my view.

TP. First round picks are valuable. If Utah is willing to give up a first for Richardson. Then take it.
And I like Richardson.

[Wretch]

I don't think JR going anywhere this season. First he's playing well and I don't think the Cs want to wave the white flag completely. Second I don't think Utah has much other than picks years from now to make it worth it. If the goal is to win with the Js picks 4 years from now is not how you do it. Third I think his salary is more valuable in the off season as part  of a larger trade.  Al plus JR is 38m, enough for a young max player to partner with the Js.  If JR gets traded the only salaries you could logically pair with Al to get to a max level player are Smart and RWill, who I think the Cs want to keep as part of the core.

[jambr380]

Put me down for a big YES on a Richardson for Ingles/1st deal. I'd love to have Bird Rights on Ingles next season, but - of course - the 1st is the big prize here. Richardson has been a nice surprise this season and I certainly don't mind keeping him around, but we are talking about a possible 1st rounder for a guy we got for nothing just a few months ago.

[PhoSita]

a 1st for richardson?

no brainer

[Ed Monix]

A 1st for Richardson?

No brainer

I’m of the same opinion, especially since this could be a desperation move for Utah due to their recent slide and Joe Ingles season ending injury. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ingles is done in the NBA. He’s torn his ACL, he’s 34 and wants to end his career playing in Australia.

If Stevens gets a slightly protected 2024-2026 pick off Utah, it could become very valuable.

The upcoming free agency has: TJ Warren, Kyle Anderson, Tomas Satoransky, Patty Mills (PO), Pat Connaughton (PO), Bruce Brown Jr and Bryn Forbes…so a suitable replacement can be signed.

[csfansince60s]

Gotta hear all kinds of rumors now until deadline but if we trade Josh & Schroeder for picks,  then we are throwing in the towel this season.. think our bench is bad now? Wow

I agree.

It wouldn’t be this bad, however, if Uchoka had just played the kids all along, and either they’d be ready now or we’d know what we have and either would move on from them, trade them with a more defined value or keep incorporating them into our schemes, assuming Uchoka had an inkling as to how to do that.

[Celtics2021]

Gotta hear all kinds of rumors now until deadline but if we trade Josh & Schroeder for picks,  then we are throwing in the towel this season.. think our bench is bad now? Wow

I agree.

It wouldn’t be this bad, however, if Uchoka had just played the kids all along, and either they’d be ready now or we’d know what we have and either would move on from them, trade them with a more defined value or keep incorporating them into our schemes, assuming Uchoka had an inkling as to how to do that.

Try tho you might, this nickname won’t catch on.

[Ed Monix]

Gotta hear all kinds of rumors now until deadline but if we trade Josh & Schroeder for picks,  then we are throwing in the towel this season.. think our bench is bad now? Wow

I agree.

It wouldn’t be this bad, however, if Uchoka had just played the kids all along, and either they’d be ready now or we’d know what we have and either would move on from them, trade them with a more defined value or keep incorporating them into our schemes, assuming Uchoka had an inkling as to how to do that.

Try tho you might, this nickname won’t catch on.

hahaha

[Moranis]

I had proposed a Jazz trade the other day, and then I looked, the Jazz can't trade a 1st round pick straight up because they've traded the 22 1st round pick with protections, and then traded another one 2 years after that one (also with protections) finally transfers as far out as 2026.  So they could potentially trade their 2026 or 2027 1st, but it also might end up becoming 2nd round picks depending on when the one they owe the Grizzlies actually transfers and then when the one they owe the Thunder transfers (it has protections on it as well). 

In other words, a trade with the Jazz would be difficult unless you are doing a pure salary dump or getting back players you actually want.

[tonydelk]

While I don't think the jazz match up well.  Maybe someone takes Ingles or Clarkson in a 3 team deal.  I just don't think anyone utah has makes the cs better and they don't have picks or young players to send out. 

The good news is that there are teams interested in some of the cs assets so there is a possibility to get back players that will help this team improve.

The player I'm jonesing for is Derrick white.  I think that size at PG would be insane with the Js.  I just can't see the spurs moving him unless we'd move timelord and that just doesn't make this team better. 

[Jvalin]

a 1st for richardson?

no brainer

This.

Let's face it, this season is a lost cause. Assuming we cannot strike a deal for a 3rd star, we should be trying to sell high and buy low.

Sell high: Just a few months ago, JRich was a salary dump. If we can turn him into a first-round pick, it's a no-brainer.

Buy low: I love Ingles' game. Perhaps we can re-sign him for the minimum this summer after his ACL injury. With a bit of luck, he may be a contributor come playoff time next season.

[Vermont Green]

While I don't think the jazz match up well.  Maybe someone takes Ingles or Clarkson in a 3 team deal.  I just don't think anyone utah has makes the cs better and they don't have picks or young players to send out. 

The good news is that there are teams interested in some of the cs assets so there is a possibility to get back players that will help this team improve.

The player I'm jonesing for is Derrick white.  I think that size at PG would be insane with the Js.  I just can't see the spurs moving him unless we'd move timelord and that just doesn't make this team better.

I agree with this.  Trading a productive rotation player for a first round pick in 4 years (2026) makes no sense to me (while also adding salary by the way).  No, I think the better way to leverage Utah's interest in Richardson is to do a 3-way.  How about something with SAC for Bagley and maybe a second or something like that.

Getting a young PF for Richardson makes more sense than basically dumping him for a very future pick.  Bagley may not be the guy, he has been pretty much 14 pts/7 rebs for his career and still should have plenty of potential ceiling though.

I would rather just keep Richardson than trade him for a pick in 2026.  Ingles may come back, we would have some rights to sign him over the cap, but I am not all that high on Ingles.

[Roy H.]

I would be all-in on a future Utah #1, so long as it was unprotected.

But, with Danny advising them, I can't imagine they'd be interested in a trade like that.