The Big Bane Fallacy

[footey]

It was a silly trade.  We didn’t even trade the #30 to dump Kanter, as Portland took him into a trade exception for no draft pick compensation.   We just didn’t want another rookie.

And we got two future 2nds out of the trade - adequate compensation for the #30 pick (which is one pick away from being a 2nd itself). Imo, the Bane fallacy is that we traded a 1st to dump Kanter. I see this misconception everywhere. C21 did a nice job above outlining how easy it would be to have kept #30 had Ainge wanted to add another guaranteed 1st round contract to the roster.

Would I like to have Bane? Sure. But we didn't take him - time to move on.

Given Memphis trajectory, those two 2nd round picks are more likely falling at the end of the 2nd round, which is not good compensation for a late first round pick IMO, and given that we could have kept Bane for ourselves, really stings.

[SHAQATTACK]

You can second guess the draft in hindsight all you want. It doesn't change anything. Move on.

Not going to happen, nick.  We're still second-guessing the 2001 draft.  Hell, some people still second guess the 1989 draft.  Celtics fans don't move on.

Great quote !    You know us well.

[Moranis]

It was a silly trade.  We didn’t even trade the #30 to dump Kanter, as Portland took him into a trade exception for no draft pick compensation.   We just didn’t want another rookie.

And we got two future 2nds out of the trade - adequate compensation for the #30 pick (which is one pick away from being a 2nd itself). Imo, the Bane fallacy is that we traded a 1st to dump Kanter. I see this misconception everywhere. C21 did a nice job above outlining how easy it would be to have kept #30 had Ainge wanted to add another guaranteed 1st round contract to the roster.

Would I like to have Bane? Sure. But we didn't take him - time to move on.

Given Memphis trajectory, those two 2nd round picks are more likely falling at the end of the 2nd round, which is not good compensation for a late first round pick IMO, and given that we could have kept Bane for ourselves, really stings.

The 2023 2nd round pick is the more favorable of (a) the Rockets protected 31-32 or (b) the least favorable of Heat, Mavericks.  So as long as the Rockets don't end up with 31 or 32, that should be a pretty good pick.  The 2025 pick is from the Grizzlies without any conditions.  Far enough out that it could be ok, or not. 

[Celtics2021]

It was a silly trade.  We didn’t even trade the #30 to dump Kanter, as Portland took him into a trade exception for no draft pick compensation.   We just didn’t want another rookie.

And we got two future 2nds out of the trade - adequate compensation for the #30 pick (which is one pick away from being a 2nd itself). Imo, the Bane fallacy is that we traded a 1st to dump Kanter. I see this misconception everywhere. C21 did a nice job above outlining how easy it would be to have kept #30 had Ainge wanted to add another guaranteed 1st round contract to the roster.

Would I like to have Bane? Sure. But we didn't take him - time to move on.

Given Memphis trajectory, those two 2nd round picks are more likely falling at the end of the 2nd round, which is not good compensation for a late first round pick IMO, and given that we could have kept Bane for ourselves, really stings.

The 2023 2nd round pick is the more favorable of (a) the Rockets protected 31-32 or (b) the least favorable of Heat, Mavericks.  So as long as the Rockets don't end up with 31 or 32, that should be a pretty good pick.  The 2025 pick is from the Grizzlies without any conditions.  Far enough out that it could be ok, or not.

Yes, the Rockets pick could be nice, although at the time of the trade Houston still had Harden on the roster, so getting a pick in the 33-35 range would be a bit better than might have been expected when the trade was made in November 2020.  We no longer have the 2025 pick.  I think it wound up in Orlando for Fournier.

[keevsnick]

Dear Celtics fans,

I love you, but please let the "they should have kept Desmond Bane" stuff go.

He was drafted for Memphis in a pre-arranged trade. Boston never "had" him. Had they kept the pick, we have no idea if the Celtics would have drafted Bane.

Keith Smith
(CelticsBlog)

Okay, then they shouldn't have traded the 30th pick for a couple 2nd rounder's just because they didn't want another young guy that year.

Either way, it was a bad/stupid trade.

[Donoghus]

You can second guess the draft in hindsight all you want. It doesn't change anything. Move on.

Not going to happen, nick.  We're still second-guessing the 2001 draft.  Hell, some people still second guess the 1989 draft.  Celtics fans don't move on.

Well, to be fair, everyone should still be second guessing the 2001 draft.  Sigh.....ugh....

[todd_days_41]

K Smith raises a fair point.

On a sliding scale of success over time during his tenure, Ainge was far less likely to make the right pick than the wrong one in the draft. In other words, it's far more likely the Celtics wouldn't have taken Bane than that they would have with that pick.

So, we'd probably just be holding a roster spot for a stiff, instead of heralding the success of Bane -- despite the painful optic of looking at Memphis' successful use of that pick. 

[mobilija]

I didn’t realize Bane's fallace was so big 

No wonder ya'll like him so much! 

[liam]

I didn’t realize Bane's fallace was so big 

No wonder ya'll like him so much! 

It has to be because he has short arms.

 

[SHAQATTACK]

I didn’t realize Bane's fallace was so big 

No wonder ya'll like him so much! 

It has to be because he has short arms.

 

Enough…of this kind of talk ….my virgin mind will be wrecked forever

[liam]

I didn’t realize Bane's fallace was so big 

No wonder ya'll like him so much! 

It has to be because he has short arms.

 

Enough…of this kind of talk ….my virgin mind will be wrecked forever

Too late!

[Kiorrik]

Dunno if this take has been put out there yet but seeing people talk Bane over and over and over again is like that friend that can't get over his ex :')

[nickagneta]

Dunno if this take has been put out there yet but seeing people talk Bane over and over and over again is like that friend that can't get over his ex :')

[liam]

Dunno if this take has been put out there yet but seeing people talk Bane over and over and over again is like that friend that can't get over his ex :')

Bingo. But I didn't start this one...

[mobilija]

Dunno if this take has been put out there yet but seeing people talk Bane over and over and over again is like that friend that can't get over his ex :')

Hmmmmm....what exactly is "practice self care" in this scenario?

Shaqattack close ur ears...u may not wanna hear the answer...