If JT & JB Are 1 & 2, How Can We Realistically Get a Big 3 With JT/JB/X?

[wdleehi]

Adding a third piece wouldn’t be a problem IMHO.  We have enough assets that we could pull one of those three picks + three pick swaps kinda setups like Milwaukee used to get Jrue.

But to be perfectly candid, I’m not convinced we’re even close enough to make a move like that at this point.  At some point these dudes need to show us that it’s worth going for it with them.  Because the last year and a half say that it isn’t.

Bingo. is adding one player going to take them from utter mediocrity to championship contender?

I think the following question is still very much out there: should the Cs be building around Tatum and Brown? or should they be using Brown and / or Tatum to build something else?

If the Celtics can add that third piece and then find out that it is not working, they still have more flexibility on how to rebuild around what works.  Maybe Tatum and Brown still work together but the third piece doesn't.   Or Tatum and the third piece works but Brown is not.   


I rather the Celtics add the big pieces now to find the combo that works then waiting to see if only part of it works, 

[todd_days_41]

Adding a third piece wouldn’t be a problem IMHO.  We have enough assets that we could pull one of those three picks + three pick swaps kinda setups like Milwaukee used to get Jrue.

But to be perfectly candid, I’m not convinced we’re even close enough to make a move like that at this point.  At some point these dudes need to show us that it’s worth going for it with them.  Because the last year and a half say that it isn’t.

Bingo. is adding one player going to take them from utter mediocrity to championship contender?

I think the following question is still very much out there: should the Cs be building around Tatum and Brown? or should they be using Brown and / or Tatum to build something else?

If the Celtics can add that third piece and then find out that it is not working, they still have more flexibility on how to rebuild around what works.  Maybe Tatum and Brown still work together but the third piece doesn't.   Or Tatum and the third piece works but Brown is not.   


I rather the Celtics add the big pieces now to find the combo that works then waiting to see if only part of it works,

I hear ya. Brown will have to be healthy again someday for us to even consider it, IMO. If he can't really play this season effectively, and / or his knee issue re-emerges, I'm concerned his value will tank.

[Rosco917]

I'm looking at the Lakers and I'm reminded of what poor chemistry is all about. Even with Lebron, a walking triple double machine, and AD, they struggle from off-season personal additions.

The C's are fortunate in that Jaylen (when healthy) is willing to let Jayson be the team face... and also receive the Lions share of the team attention. He's fine with being the second banana. But if this team adds another Alpha dog shot-taker, Jaylen is not going to be a happy camper.

IMO a known veteran PG who plays hard, has league weight, respect, and solid leadership qualities... someone who has the ability to give the game what it needs. That's the best option. (If this player has a ring...all the better.) Someone the J's need to pay attention to.

Marcus goes to the bench as a sixth man where he's best suited.

[Atzar]

I'm looking at the Lakers and I'm reminded of what poor chemistry is all about. Even with Lebron, a walking triple double machine, and AD, they struggle from off-season personal additions.

The C's are fortunate in that Jaylen (when healthy) is willing to let Jayson be the team face... and also receive the Lions share of the team attention. He's fine with being the second banana. But if this team adds another Alpha dog shot-taker, Jaylen is not going to be a happy camper.

IMO a known veteran PG who plays hard, has league weight, respect, and solid leadership qualities... someone who has the ability to give the game what it needs. That's the best option. (If this player has a ring...all the better.) Someone the J's need to pay attention to.

Marcus goes to the bench as a sixth man where he's best suited.

It's not a coincidence that Carmelo's best run with Denver happened after he got Chauncey.  That sort of floor general would be great for the Jays.

I'm just not seeing many examples of that sort of player in the league right now.  Chris Paul isn't leaving Phoenix and hates Boston anyway.  Utah isn't letting Mike Conley go.  Kyle Lowry just signed in Miami.  Who else is there?

[todd_days_41]

I'm looking at the Lakers and I'm reminded of what poor chemistry is all about. Even with Lebron, a walking triple double machine, and AD, they struggle from off-season personal additions.

The C's are fortunate in that Jaylen (when healthy) is willing to let Jayson be the team face... and also receive the Lions share of the team attention. He's fine with being the second banana. But if this team adds another Alpha dog shot-taker, Jaylen is not going to be a happy camper.

IMO a known veteran PG who plays hard, has league weight, respect, and solid leadership qualities... someone who has the ability to give the game what it needs. That's the best option. (If this player has a ring...all the better.) Someone the J's need to pay attention to.

Marcus goes to the bench as a sixth man where he's best suited.

It's not a coincidence that Carmelo's best run with Denver happened after he got Chauncey.  That sort of floor general would be great for the Jays.

I'm just not seeing many examples of that sort of player in the league right now.  Chris Paul isn't leaving Phoenix and hates Boston anyway.  Utah isn't letting Mike Conley go.  Kyle Lowry just signed in Miami.  Who else is there?

• I've made my admiration for SGA plain on this board, but I don't think the Cs can get him for anything less than Tatum. Brown's mounting injury issues may place his value below SGA.
• Same goes for Haliburton. Cs should see what it takes to pry him away and play him at PG in Boston.
• This team could have and should have drafted Cole Anthony. He's good not great, but man is he fun to watch. Would ORL trade Anthony, Wagner and change for Jaylen B?
• Brogdon can't be traded.
• Dejounte Murray could be had. The Spurs badly need a full rebuild -- should they trade Murray now, while his value is high (and he's healthy)?
• Is Damian Lillard going to make it past the trade deadline in POR?
• Hard to see CLE trading Rubio right now, considering their improvement.
• Josh Hart is a nifty playmaker and great glue guy. Would love to see the Cs acquire him.

There's a bunch of players out there that would improve our PG play.

 

[18isGREATERthan72]

I think we need a third high level player, but that player doesn't need to be a scorer.  I mentioned in the "Hot take" thread that I think Ben Simmons would be a good fit next to Brown and Tatum, especially if he played at the Center position instead of at PG, since that would mitigate some of his weaknesses as a player (shooting) and he'd be an absolute problem for other teams to defend.

I'd prefer to stack a bunch of high quality players around Tatum and Brown.  If they had 2-3 players that could balance out the scoring and hit shots from outside, and maybe one player who can create and facilitate the offense, I think the team would be quite competitive.

I feel like Lonzo Ball was an ideal fit next to them, and that's showing in Chicago now, but that ship has sailed.  I think Ricky Rubio would be a good fit too.

[PhoSita]

I think I'm pretty close to losing faith in the premise.  That's what concerns me right now, more so than wondering how and when they get the third guy.

[Atzar]

I'm looking at the Lakers and I'm reminded of what poor chemistry is all about. Even with Lebron, a walking triple double machine, and AD, they struggle from off-season personal additions.

The C's are fortunate in that Jaylen (when healthy) is willing to let Jayson be the team face... and also receive the Lions share of the team attention. He's fine with being the second banana. But if this team adds another Alpha dog shot-taker, Jaylen is not going to be a happy camper.

IMO a known veteran PG who plays hard, has league weight, respect, and solid leadership qualities... someone who has the ability to give the game what it needs. That's the best option. (If this player has a ring...all the better.) Someone the J's need to pay attention to.

Marcus goes to the bench as a sixth man where he's best suited.

It's not a coincidence that Carmelo's best run with Denver happened after he got Chauncey.  That sort of floor general would be great for the Jays.

I'm just not seeing many examples of that sort of player in the league right now.  Chris Paul isn't leaving Phoenix and hates Boston anyway.  Utah isn't letting Mike Conley go.  Kyle Lowry just signed in Miami.  Who else is there?

• I've made my admiration for SGA plain on this board, but I don't think the Cs can get him for anything less than Tatum. Brown's mounting injury issues may place his value below SGA.
• Same goes for Haliburton. Cs should see what it takes to pry him away and play him at PG in Boston.
• This team could have and should have drafted Cole Anthony. He's good not great, but man is he fun to watch. Would ORL trade Anthony, Wagner and change for Jaylen B?
• Brogdon can't be traded.
• Dejounte Murray could be had. The Spurs badly need a full rebuild -- should they trade Murray now, while his value is high (and he's healthy)?
• Is Damian Lillard going to make it past the trade deadline in POR?
• Hard to see CLE trading Rubio right now, considering their improvement.
• Josh Hart is a nifty playmaker and great glue guy. Would love to see the Cs acquire him.

There's a bunch of players out there that would improve our PG play.

There's a difference between improving our PG play and providing the specific qualities that Rosco mentioned, though.  None of the guys you mentioned is the sort of veteran floor general who could be the leader for this team except perhaps Lillard, and even he's more of the score-first type of PG that we've already failed with twice. 

It's about that certain skillset.  If we just want any upgrade at PG, then sure, there are plenty of names out there.

[td450]

I'm looking at the Lakers and I'm reminded of what poor chemistry is all about. Even with Lebron, a walking triple double machine, and AD, they struggle from off-season personal additions.

The C's are fortunate in that Jaylen (when healthy) is willing to let Jayson be the team face... and also receive the Lions share of the team attention. He's fine with being the second banana. But if this team adds another Alpha dog shot-taker, Jaylen is not going to be a happy camper.

IMO a known veteran PG who plays hard, has league weight, respect, and solid leadership qualities... someone who has the ability to give the game what it needs. That's the best option. (If this player has a ring...all the better.) Someone the J's need to pay attention to.

Marcus goes to the bench as a sixth man where he's best suited.

It's not a coincidence that Carmelo's best run with Denver happened after he got Chauncey.  That sort of floor general would be great for the Jays.

I'm just not seeing many examples of that sort of player in the league right now.  Chris Paul isn't leaving Phoenix and hates Boston anyway.  Utah isn't letting Mike Conley go.  Kyle Lowry just signed in Miami.  Who else is there?

• I've made my admiration for SGA plain on this board, but I don't think the Cs can get him for anything less than Tatum. Brown's mounting injury issues may place his value below SGA.
• Same goes for Haliburton. Cs should see what it takes to pry him away and play him at PG in Boston.
• This team could have and should have drafted Cole Anthony. He's good not great, but man is he fun to watch. Would ORL trade Anthony, Wagner and change for Jaylen B?
• Brogdon can't be traded.
• Dejounte Murray could be had. The Spurs badly need a full rebuild -- should they trade Murray now, while his value is high (and he's healthy)?
• Is Damian Lillard going to make it past the trade deadline in POR?
• Hard to see CLE trading Rubio right now, considering their improvement.
• Josh Hart is a nifty playmaker and great glue guy. Would love to see the Cs acquire him.

There's a bunch of players out there that would improve our PG play.

There's a difference between improving our PG play and providing the specific qualities that Rosco mentioned, though.  None of the guys you mentioned is the sort of veteran floor general who could be the leader for this team except perhaps Lillard, and even he's more of the score-first type of PG that we've already failed with twice. 

A marginal upgrade at PG isn't going to do it.  It's about that certain skillset.

DeJounte Murray is the best option. He's worth overpaying for. 25 years old. Maybe not a pure point, but he's averaging 8.5 assists right now for a team where he's the best offensive player. That's really impressive. He's also a big guard, a defensive beast and most importantly, he pushes in transition.

He would change this team

[BruceBanner18]

Adding a third piece wouldn’t be a problem IMHO.  We have enough assets that we could pull one of those three picks + three pick swaps kinda setups like Milwaukee used to get Jrue.

But to be perfectly candid, I’m not convinced we’re even close enough to make a move like that at this point.  At some point these dudes need to show us that it’s worth going for it with them.  Because the last year and a half say that it isn’t.

Bingo. is adding one player going to take them from utter mediocrity to championship contender?

I think the following question is still very much out there: should the Cs be building around Tatum and Brown? or should they be using Brown and / or Tatum to build something else?

Tatum and Brown aren't the problem with this roster. Outside of those two you have a couple of 6th men, a couple back up centers and a G league team.

Adding a legit third offensive option would make a huge difference. We are way too easy to game plan against.

[todd_days_41]

Tatum and Brown aren't the problem with this roster.

Oh really? Phew. I thought it looked like 2 All-Stars make a .500 team. It’s everyone else’s fault? Phew!

[jpotter33]

McCollum

Portland is a mess right now and needs to do something. 

Two trade options

This Summer - Horford, Nesmith, 22 1st, 24 1st (top 4) for McCollum

This Season - Richardson, Hernangomez, Langford, Nesmith, 22 1st for McCollum, Smith

I've always liked the thought of McCollum as a third guy for us. He'd also be a guy who'd allow us to keep Smart at the PG, as he's a pretty good playmaker and can help Smart in the backcourt.

The only thing with that in-season trade is I'd try to keep one of Romeo or Nesmith and trade in Pritchard if at all possible, and add in any 2nds as needed for any lost value.

[nickagneta]

I'm looking at the Lakers and I'm reminded of what poor chemistry is all about. Even with Lebron, a walking triple double machine, and AD, they struggle from off-season personal additions.

The C's are fortunate in that Jaylen (when healthy) is willing to let Jayson be the team face... and also receive the Lions share of the team attention. He's fine with being the second banana. But if this team adds another Alpha dog shot-taker, Jaylen is not going to be a happy camper.

IMO a known veteran PG who plays hard, has league weight, respect, and solid leadership qualities... someone who has the ability to give the game what it needs. That's the best option. (If this player has a ring...all the better.) Someone the J's need to pay attention to.

Marcus goes to the bench as a sixth man where he's best suited.

It's not a coincidence that Carmelo's best run with Denver happened after he got Chauncey.  That sort of floor general would be great for the Jays.

I'm just not seeing many examples of that sort of player in the league right now.  Chris Paul isn't leaving Phoenix and hates Boston anyway.  Utah isn't letting Mike Conley go.  Kyle Lowry just signed in Miami.  Who else is there?

• I've made my admiration for SGA plain on this board, but I don't think the Cs can get him for anything less than Tatum. Brown's mounting injury issues may place his value below SGA.
• Same goes for Haliburton. Cs should see what it takes to pry him away and play him at PG in Boston.
• This team could have and should have drafted Cole Anthony. He's good not great, but man is he fun to watch. Would ORL trade Anthony, Wagner and change for Jaylen B?
• Brogdon can't be traded.
• Dejounte Murray could be had. The Spurs badly need a full rebuild -- should they trade Murray now, while his value is high (and he's healthy)?
• Is Damian Lillard going to make it past the trade deadline in POR?
• Hard to see CLE trading Rubio right now, considering their improvement.
• Josh Hart is a nifty playmaker and great glue guy. Would love to see the Cs acquire him.

There's a bunch of players out there that would improve our PG play.

Regarding you making your feelings plain on this board regarding SGA, when did you do that? Like once or twice less than a week ago?

[pokeKingCurtis]

Adding a third piece wouldn’t be a problem IMHO.  We have enough assets that we could pull one of those three picks + three pick swaps kinda setups like Milwaukee used to get Jrue.

But to be perfectly candid, I’m not convinced we’re even close enough to make a move like that at this point.  At some point these dudes need to show us that it’s worth going for it with them.  Because the last year and a half say that it isn’t.

Bingo. is adding one player going to take them from utter mediocrity to championship contender?

I think the following question is still very much out there: should the Cs be building around Tatum and Brown? or should they be using Brown and / or Tatum to build something else?

Tatum and Brown aren't the problem with this roster. Outside of those two you have a couple of 6th men, a couple back up centers and a G league team.

Adding a legit third offensive option would make a huge difference. We are way too easy to game plan against.

How about hHorford and Schroeder. Schroeder was third banana on those Lakers

It's a bit of both.  But just let the Jay's grow and find a good third banana

[BruceBanner18]

Adding a third piece wouldn’t be a problem IMHO.  We have enough assets that we could pull one of those three picks + three pick swaps kinda setups like Milwaukee used to get Jrue.

But to be perfectly candid, I’m not convinced we’re even close enough to make a move like that at this point.  At some point these dudes need to show us that it’s worth going for it with them.  Because the last year and a half say that it isn’t.

Bingo. is adding one player going to take them from utter mediocrity to championship contender?

I think the following question is still very much out there: should the Cs be building around Tatum and Brown? or should they be using Brown and / or Tatum to build something else?

Tatum and Brown aren't the problem with this roster. Outside of those two you have a couple of 6th men, a couple back up centers and a G league team.

Adding a legit third offensive option would make a huge difference. We are way too easy to game plan against.

How about hHorford and Schroeder. Schroeder was third banana on those Lakers

It's a bit of both.  But just let the Jay's grow and find a good third banana

Schroeder is a sixth man. Third banana didn't work for him with the fakers. So is Smart, love him but he's not a starting pg. At this stage, Horford is a backup center. As is Williams.