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Re: Calling Guys Out In The Media
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2021, 05:25:53 PM »

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From Udoka’s introductory press conference:
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"They're going to allow me to coach them, push them," said Udoka, who was introduced alongside Brad Stevens, now the Celtics' president of basketball operations, and owners Wyc Grousbeck and Steve Pagliuca at a news conference at the team's practice facility Monday morning. "They know I'm going to be on their $#%!, and that's what they like about me, they've asked me about that. They want to be pushed, they want to be directed toward winning, and you expect that from your stars.

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"I'm not worried about our group worrying about hard coaching," Udoka said. "They are asking for that, and it's something I'm going to bring to the table."

To me calling out Jaylen is very consistent with what he said he’d do, and something that the players indicated they supported when he was hired.  Now, it’s certainly possible that upon receiving this style of coaching they find out they were wrong and don’t like it, and/or it doesn’t successfully motivate them, but it raises zero issues with me.  I could see it wearing thin eventually, but theoretically everyone is on board with tough love.

I don't necessarily see those as being the same.  I think the Belechick example is a good one.  He's a very tough coach, and he holds guys accountable.  But, he shares almost nothing with the media.  To me, it's the difference between hard coaching, and public shaming.

I didn’t say it was the same.  I said it was consistent.  There’s no one mold for “hard coaching”, but calling guys out publicly is definitely a version of it that we’ve seen before (as you mentioned, from Doc for example).

I especially don’t mind it happening a little early in his tenure.  There are a variety of ways to get on a player, if that’s your style, and some ways will work differently for different players.  The only way to find out what works is to try them.  Perhaps Jaylen needs to be called out in a press conference a couple times a year to reset his focus.  The problem would be if Jaylen responds poorly to it and Udoka keeps it up, but until we see results one way or the other, I’m not judging.

Fact is Jaylen has had uneven performances this season.  He’s my favorite Celtic, one of my top 3 of all time, so I’m all ready to make excuses about his knee and Covid for his play, or just write it off as four games.  But perhaps it’s something else, and Udoka should have better info than I.  I doubt Ime has any other goal than getting the best of if Jaylen, so as someone who wants Jaylen to be a Celtic champion, I’m open to him trying anything that’s not actually abusive.

Re: Calling Guys Out In The Media
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2021, 05:58:55 PM »

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Either the young kids gotta suck it up and take accountability or its time to just admit Udoka is a bad coach. Three of these losses fall on him on top of other players not stepping up.

Either way, if this team can't win games and win playoff games, Tatum and Brown are goners.
3 of these losses? There are only 3 losses.

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2021, 07:03:58 PM »

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Either the young kids gotta suck it up and take accountability or its time to just admit Udoka is a bad coach. Three of these losses fall on him on top of other players not stepping up.

Either way, if this team can't win games and win playoff games, Tatum and Brown are goners.
3 of these losses? There are only 3 losses.

Seems like more.... ::)

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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2021, 08:30:56 PM »

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I think one thing to watch out for is Ime's early tendency to candidly discuss his players in the media.  This was something about Doc Rivers that I always hated, and was something that Brad didn't do a lot.  Case in point:

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Udoka on the uneven play of Jaylen Brown thus far: "I'm trying to ramp him up during the game, pump him up to get going but the contrast of some of those previous games, especially Charlotte and the New York game and the way you see him come out tonight is kind of mind boggling."

Is that something that is going to motivate, or lead to resentment?

I think it's great to be honest. 

I was sick to death of Brad being too soft on guys and on the team in general, especially when it came to media comments.  He never seemed to have the balls to call the team (or players) out when it was needed, and felt like he was acting more like a friend then a coach - and for that reason it felt like the players liked him but didn't RESPECT him.   

At the end of the day I don't care if it's a scrub at the end of the bench or if it's your star player - when a player is going out there without energy / effort then they need to be called out and held accountable, and I absolutely LOVE that coach had the balls to do that. 

I think some of the guys on this team really need their egos put in check, and want Tatum and Brown in particular to know that they aren't untouchable - just because they are super talented, doesn't mean you can take games off and 'bring it' when they feel like it. 

This team needs the type of coach that will say "I don't care how talented you are or how much money you earn - if you don't give it everything you have I'm pulling you out and giving minutes to somebody who will". 

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2021, 08:35:02 PM »

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I think one thing to watch out for is Ime's early tendency to candidly discuss his players in the media.  This was something about Doc Rivers that I always hated, and was something that Brad didn't do a lot.  Case in point:

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Udoka on the uneven play of Jaylen Brown thus far: "I'm trying to ramp him up during the game, pump him up to get going but the contrast of some of those previous games, especially Charlotte and the New York game and the way you see him come out tonight is kind of mind boggling."

Is that something that is going to motivate, or lead to resentment?

I think it's great to be honest. 

I was sick to death of Brad being too soft on guys and on the team in general, especially when it came to media comments.  He never seemed to have the balls to call the team (or players) out when it was needed, and felt like he was acting more like a friend then a coach - and for that reason it felt like the players liked him but didn't RESPECT him.   

At the end of the day I don't care if it's a scrub at the end of the bench or if it's your star player - when a player is going out there without energy / effort then they need to be called out and held accountable, and I absolutely LOVE that coach had the balls to do that. 

I think some of the guys on this team really need their egos put in check, and want Tatum and Brown in particular to know that they aren't untouchable - just because they are super talented, doesn't mean you can take games off and 'bring it' when they feel like it. 

This team needs the type of coach that will say "I don't care how talented you are or how much money you earn - if you don't give it everything you have I'm pulling you out and giving minutes to somebody who will".

Ime is going to have to do more than just talk.

Re: Calling Guys Out In The Media
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2021, 08:40:26 PM »

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yeah
this isn't good

that type of thing will eventually have jaylen leave

not good
if Jaylen becomes unhappy with the treatment, I suspect Ime's the one who'll be shown the door first

Re: Calling Guys Out In The Media
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2021, 11:33:37 PM »

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yeah
this isn't good

that type of thing will eventually have jaylen leave

not good

if Jaylen becomes unhappy with the treatment, I suspect Ime's the one who'll be shown the door first

Why? Tenure? Or 'cuz Ime's not proven yet? Both? Neither? :)

(Just curious)

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2021, 11:37:28 PM »

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Either the young kids gotta suck it up and take accountability or its time to just admit Udoka is a bad coach. Three of these losses fall on him on top of other players not stepping up.

Either way, if this team can't win games and win playoff games, Tatum and Brown are goners.

Udoka may be a bad coach, only time will tell. Young players more often than not arent leaders though. The next contract is when most stars start worrying about championships. Unfortunately that probably won’t be in Boston. That’s just the truth.

The C’s have surrounded the J’s with more young players that haven’t won anything. I don’t understand why people are surprised by what they are seeing? The ceiling is 2nd round at best with this roster. The East is just better now.

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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2021, 11:44:13 PM »

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Either the young kids gotta suck it up and take accountability or its time to just admit Udoka is a bad coach. Three of these losses fall on him on top of other players not stepping up.

Either way, if this team can't win games and win playoff games, Tatum and Brown are goners.

Udoka may be a bad coach, only time will tell. Young players more often than not arent leaders though. The next contract is when most stars start worrying about championships. Unfortunately that probably won’t be in Boston. That’s just the truth.


The C’s have surrounded the J’s with more young players that haven’t won anything. I don’t understand why people are surprised by what they are seeing? The ceiling is 2nd round at best with this roster. The East is just better now.


Not surprised. I. sounded a warning last year that the roster was 5th to 6th in the East. I put them around 6th to 7th this year.


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Re: Calling Guys Out In The Media
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2021, 12:01:01 AM »

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I’m wondering whether some of the players are thinking: you know who else should be held accountable? The guy who has us switching everything, and who’s playing lineups where the tallest guy is 6’4”. Maybe I should talk about that next time I’m at a mic.
Or the guy who was talking about having a player who averaged 0.8PPP on post ups the year he spent half of his time at PF to 'exploit' swings - he is our Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2021, 01:07:53 AM »

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I don’t appreciate it. Giving the media/public quotes to take out of context is not constructive. “Brown’s Motivation Problem” or “Jaylen and the Celtics Fluctuating Effort” become media/public focal points that can be toxic.

Hard coaching takes place on the practice floor and in film sessions, not on the podium.

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2021, 02:02:36 AM »

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Huge mistake to be criticizing anyone in your organization in public.

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2021, 04:26:38 AM »

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SMH at some of these posts.

Tatum, Smart, and Brown are three of the laziest players I've ever seen. I'm not joking. They set the tone in these games and the tone is that they can coast because they're the Next Big Thing.

Other teams sense this hubris and feast.

Youth has nothing to do with effort. Effort comes from heart, and our top guys have none. This team is as unlikable as the 2011 Red Sox Chicken and Beer Clown Show.

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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2021, 04:55:29 AM »

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I really don't like it. It just seems like there's nothing to gain from airing this stuff out to the media. I'm fine with coaches showing tough love, but keep that stuff behind doors.
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2021, 05:03:08 AM »

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I’m wondering whether some of the players are thinking: you know who else should be held accountable? The guy who has us switching everything, and who’s playing lineups where the tallest guy is 6’4”. Maybe I should talk about that next time I’m at a mic.
Or the guy who was talking about having a player who averaged 0.8PPP on post ups the year he spent half of his time at PF to 'exploit' swings - he is our Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Oh man, I really hope this isn’t the case, but there are indeed some similarities. That 5-0 thrashing from Liverpool was very hard to watch.