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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #5280 on: May 13, 2022, 11:16:05 PM »

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I mean, it's been this way the entire season, but what does it say that this Memphis team continues to impress and play better sans Morant?
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #5281 on: May 13, 2022, 11:16:19 PM »

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I know this is probably opening a can of worms to ask this, but what exactly could Hinkie have done differently? At the end of the day the draft picks they had just didn't pan out. Okafor is playing in China and not an NBA player. Saric topped out as a good bench player (and may also now be out of the NBA). Noel topped out as an often injured bench player. Simmons seemingly has topped out as a fringe all-star moving forward (at best). Fultz at best may be a starting level point guard? For the year over year rebuilding/tanking that other teams have done, you really need two homeruns. The twolves may have hit two with Edwards and Towns. The grizzlies appeared to have hit two, or more, with Jackson and Morant. It doesn't appear the 76ers did that.
By your definition of homeruns, Simmons was a homerun and Maxey looks like a homerun and Embiid would be a grand slam homerun.  The Twolves didn't win anything with Towns.  They did do better the one season with Butler but he was turned off by Towns lack of [drive, work ethic, winning attitude].  The jury is still out on how much better they are with Edwards.  As for the Grizz, I'd say Jackson is a triple at best.  Doesn't seem like he's improved much in 4 seasons.  From what I've seen Morant is way overhyped.  The Grizz play as good or better without Morant.  If he's not really on offensively, he's a liability.  I don't think he's a #1 star to build a championship contender around and he's not who you'd want for a #2 star. 

As far as Hinkie goes, I think he's bound to have done somewhat better than what happened.  I doubt he would have made the Fultz trade.  Now he may have taken Fultz at #3.  I doubt he would have done the Harris trade.  He most likely would have done the Butler trade since the 1st part of the process was about acquiring star talent.  I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have squandered the draft capital that he acquired like the succeeding GMs did. 

How well Hinkie would have done if allowed to continue is certainly up for debate but the bungling after Hinkie isn't debatable.  There's the Colangelo debacle.  Then they screwed around hiring his replacement so Coach Brown was the acting GM for a draft and free agency.  Then they finally choose to sign Elton Brand who clearly did not have the experience needed.  They did so because their owner didn't want a strong GM. 

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« Reply #5282 on: May 13, 2022, 11:16:38 PM »

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Am I the only one not particularly impressed by Golden State? I don't understand how they can be struggling to put down this Memphis team so badly without Morant.
They are really ill-disciplined and have some pretty questionable perimeter defence.
Do they struggle with rebounding? I don't watch them too much, but it seems like Adams is having a field day on the boards.
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« Reply #5283 on: May 13, 2022, 11:16:58 PM »

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Am I the only one not particularly impressed by Golden State? I don't understand how they can be struggling to put down this Memphis team so badly without Morant.
They are really ill-disciplined and have some pretty questionable perimeter defence.

I underestimated Kerr I guess also. I mainly thought that cause Luke Walton won a million games with them. But they don’t have the same talent as those teams

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« Reply #5284 on: May 13, 2022, 11:18:30 PM »

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Dillon Brooks is on some clown s*** in this series.  I always knew him as a bit of a hacker defensively but this is something else. 

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« Reply #5285 on: May 13, 2022, 11:19:04 PM »

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Am I the only one not particularly impressed by Golden State? I don't understand how they can be struggling to put down this Memphis team so badly without Morant.
They are really ill-disciplined and have some pretty questionable perimeter defence.

I underestimated Kerr I guess also. I mainly thought that cause Luke Walton won a million games with them. But they don’t have the same talent as those teams
It certainly doesn't bode well for the Kings if Mike Brown blows this series  ;D
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« Reply #5286 on: May 13, 2022, 11:19:57 PM »

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This is sloppier than they have played all season. These are just unforced turnovers

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« Reply #5287 on: May 13, 2022, 11:20:31 PM »

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Dillon Brooks is on some clown s*** in this series.  I always knew him as a bit of a hacker defensively but this is something else.
And it seems to be working. Golden State relies on a bunch of finesse players that don't like contact to score.
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« Reply #5288 on: May 13, 2022, 11:28:21 PM »

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Could the Warriors about to blow another 3-1 series lead? They're only up by 2 at the half.


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« Reply #5289 on: May 13, 2022, 11:29:42 PM »

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I mean, it's been this way the entire season, but what does it say that this Memphis team continues to impress and play better sans Morant?
That Morant is overhyped because Memphis is overachieving.  If they weren't winning, he'd just be a stat stuffer on a bad team. 

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« Reply #5290 on: May 13, 2022, 11:31:17 PM »

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Is Game 1 of the East Finals going to be Tuesday? Celtics/Bucks going to look very exhausted coming out of this series.


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« Reply #5291 on: May 13, 2022, 11:32:13 PM »

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Am I the only one not particularly impressed by Golden State? I don't understand how they can be struggling to put down this Memphis team so badly without Morant.
They are really ill-disciplined and have some pretty questionable perimeter defence.

I underestimated Kerr I guess also. I mainly thought that cause Luke Walton won a million games with them. But they don’t have the same talent as those teams
It certainly doesn't bode well for the Kings if Mike Brown blows this series  ;D
It doesn't bode well for the Kings either way.  They could get the 2nd coming of Jordan, Magic and Bird and figure out some way to screw it up. 

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« Reply #5292 on: May 13, 2022, 11:32:55 PM »

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Ben Simmons and James Harden had the same number of points in the 2nd half tonight

Almost took the same number of shots, too.

very impressed with the end results of The Process as the 76ers have gone from a team that checks notes annually gets bounced in the second round to a team that… annually gets bounced in the second round.
The Process ended when Hinkie was fired 3 years into it after their owner caved to pressure from Silver and brought in old man Colangelo.   Nothing since then has been the process. 

It is true the Sixers keep getting bounced in the 2nd round but they are winning more and are more relevant since the mid 80s.  3 of last 5 seasons of 50+ wins.  Would have been 4 of 5 and possibly all 5 if not for shortened seasons.  The best news for the Sixers is they've got Embiid signed long-term and he seems happy there and Maxey looks like he could become the 2nd young star that they wanted Simmons to be.

Yeah never understood why the league forced Hinkie out, which led to Colangelo who was an absolute disaster lol.

But man, PHI was LUCKY to get Embiid and that Embiid panned out despite the injury history, because otherwise their Draft picks over the last 7-8 years really haven't been great. A ton of misses and a few brutal ones (Simmons, Fultz, etc.)

Like literally imagine where PHI would even be if Embiid didn't work out and everything else panned the way it did. Would PHI be tanking again for a bit?  :P

This was one of my main points I was raising. The draft picks were pretty brutal (and to be fair a lot of the ones from hinkie ranged from franchise altering bust (okafor) to mild disappointment (noel) to meh (saric). Before it got derailed on a bunch of inaccurate stuff on woods, ish smith and holmes, that’s really the biggest problem. The draft picks both under hinkie and after were quite poor.

I mean the whole point of "The Process" is so you get multiple rolls of the die

They got 2 legit stars, Simmons and Embiid. I would have liked to see what the next step in Hinkie's plan was (maybe there wasn't any next step).

I’m sorry simmons is, checks notes, a “legit star?” Is that why it costs two rotation players, two first round picks and simmons for a washed up harden? I wouldn’t trade Marcus smart for simmons at this point. He is probably the third worst number one pick of the last 15 years ahead of only bennett and ironically fultz. You could argue wiggins but given he was an all star this year and it is unclear if simmons even wants to play basketball right now that is very debatable

For all his faults, Simmons was a 2 time all star on the rise.

That's why I would have liked to see where Hinkie's plan went. Does he keep coddling Ben Simmons?

I think Jimmy Butler was brought in after Hinkie - and he's famously a tough dude to be around, having pitted the Bulls players against each other.

 They had Brett Brown who wasn't great but he coached a 6ers team led by Embiid/Simmons to a couple decent playoff runs. Then Doc comes in and Simmons is sent into a spiral, flip flopping about his lack of a jump shot (initially saying it's ok he doesn't have one, and later saying he's got to hit some free throws). Then proceeds to throw him under the bus after that Hawks game.

I kind of blame Doc for this. History keeps repeating itself with Doc - he had CP3/Blake for so many years and they seem to hit this wall (and seemingly a mental one at that). Hit a wall with Kawhii too.

I hate that I'm talking like Stephen A Smith, speculating heavily on many things, but I guess that's just what the NBA is sometimes. A bunch of 6'10 men being melodramatic.

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« Reply #5293 on: May 13, 2022, 11:34:41 PM »

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Is Game 1 of the East Finals going to be Tuesday? Celtics/Bucks going to look very exhausted coming out of this series.

Yeah I read it on the Miami Heat Reddit Page

Don’t know specific time but Game 1 of Boston/Milwaukee @ Miami is Tuesday night.
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #5294 on: May 13, 2022, 11:36:29 PM »

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Is Morant the new Ewing?

Although Morantless Memphis seem better than what I can read about Ewingless New York
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