Is Ricky Rubio gettable…

[Roy H.]

I have no interest in Rubio, certainly not at $18M.  I don't even see how we could send back enough salary to make it work but it would be at least 3 players, two of which would have to be replaced meaning Rubio would result in adding maybe $5M to $8M in salary.  I am thinking something like Thompson, GWill, Edwards (about $14M going out) plus then the cost of the players to fill the spots on the roster.

I don't think PG is going to be a problem for the team in any case. If a decent vet on a decent contract can be had for say Thompson, fine, it would kind of rebalance our roster some.  But beyond that, I would rather do nothing than try to work something for Rubio.

I don’t understand this take at all. Point guard was a glaring weakness both offensively (ball movement, offensive sets) as well as defensively.

Which Rubio help this? Minnesota ranked 25th and offensive efficiency last year, and only averaged 1.3 assists per 100 possessions than the Celts.

[CBS_Take a Report]

I have no interest in Rubio, certainly not at $18M.  I don't even see how we could send back enough salary to make it work but it would be at least 3 players, two of which would have to be replaced meaning Rubio would result in adding maybe $5M to $8M in salary.  I am thinking something like Thompson, GWill, Edwards (about $14M going out) plus then the cost of the players to fill the spots on the roster.

I don't think PG is going to be a problem for the team in any case. If a decent vet on a decent contract can be had for say Thompson, fine, it would kind of rebalance our roster some.  But beyond that, I would rather do nothing than try to work something for Rubio.

I don’t understand this take at all. Point guard was a glaring weakness both offensively (ball movement, offensive sets) as well as defensively.

Which Rubio help this? Minnesota ranked 25th and offensive efficiency last year, and only averaged 1.3 assists per 100 possessions than the Celts.

If you’re gonna use stats at least be fair. The year prior when he ran point in Phoenix and averaged 8.8 apg and they were ranked 12th in offensive efficiency.

[Roy H.]

I have no interest in Rubio, certainly not at $18M.  I don't even see how we could send back enough salary to make it work but it would be at least 3 players, two of which would have to be replaced meaning Rubio would result in adding maybe $5M to $8M in salary.  I am thinking something like Thompson, GWill, Edwards (about $14M going out) plus then the cost of the players to fill the spots on the roster.

I don't think PG is going to be a problem for the team in any case. If a decent vet on a decent contract can be had for say Thompson, fine, it would kind of rebalance our roster some.  But beyond that, I would rather do nothing than try to work something for Rubio.

I don’t understand this take at all. Point guard was a glaring weakness both offensively (ball movement, offensive sets) as well as defensively.

Which Rubio help this? Minnesota ranked 25th and offensive efficiency last year, and only averaged 1.3 assists per 100 possessions than the Celts.

If you’re gonna use stats at least be fair. The year prior when he ran point in Phoenix and averaged 8.8 apg and they were ranked 12th in offensive efficiency.

And that year we were 9th offensively.

[Vermont Green]

Phoenix improved as an overall team when Rubio left (Chris Paul had lot to do with that) and MIN went no where when Rubio was added.  Rubio never moved the needle anywhere he went.  In theory, he is a good PG but in practice, it never comes to fruition.  The problem is that he really can't shoot that well.  Rubio averaged 8.6 pts per game in 26 minutes on 39%/31%/87% shooting.  That is really weak.  And the great passer had 6.4 assists to Smart's 5.7 assists (albeit Rubio had 6 less minutes per game).

Rubio just isn't that good in my view.  I don't want him.  I don't think he would help with anything we need.  Jeff Teague is probably better.

[Sophomore]

Phoenix improved as an overall team when Rubio left (Chris Paul had lot to do with that) and MIN went no where when Rubio was added.  Rubio never moved the needle anywhere he went.  In theory, he is a good PG but in practice, it never comes to fruition.  The problem is that he really can't shoot that well.  Rubio averaged 8.6 pts per game in 26 minutes on 39%/31%/87% shooting.  That is really weak.  And the great passer had 6.4 assists to Smart's 5.7 assists (albeit Rubio had 6 less minutes per game).

Rubio just isn't that good in my view.  I don't want him.  I don't think he would help with anything we need.  Jeff Teague is probably better.

“Jeff Teague is probably better.”

That’s about at bad as it gets.

[Vermont Green]

Phoenix improved as an overall team when Rubio left (Chris Paul had lot to do with that) and MIN went no where when Rubio was added.  Rubio never moved the needle anywhere he went.  In theory, he is a good PG but in practice, it never comes to fruition.  The problem is that he really can't shoot that well.  Rubio averaged 8.6 pts per game in 26 minutes on 39%/31%/87% shooting.  That is really weak.  And the great passer had 6.4 assists to Smart's 5.7 assists (albeit Rubio had 6 less minutes per game).

Rubio just isn't that good in my view.  I don't want him.  I don't think he would help with anything we need.  Jeff Teague is probably better.

“Jeff Teague is probably better.”

That’s about at bad as it gets.

So I admin to exaggerating a bit but if you go back to the 2020/21 season, compare the per 36 stats (I know, doesn't tell the whole story but bear with me), you will see that they are closer than I suspect that you think (Note 2019/20 is similar but tilts even more towards Teague):

Rubio:    12 pts / 8.8 Ass / 4.5 Rebs / 2.0 Stl / 0.1 Blk on 39% / 31% / 87% (18.0% USG)
Teague:  14 pts / 5.0 Ass / 3.3 Rebs / 1.3 Stl / 0.5 Blk on 43% / 44% / 85% (18.6% USG)

Rubio makes $18M, Teague was what, $2.5M before he was released?  I perhaps should have said that I want Rubio on the Celtics even less than I want Teague back on the Celtics.  Everyone hated having Teague on the team, it was painful to watch him even with his $2.5M salary.  Think how painful it will be watching Rubio play more or less equally poorly but at $18M.  No one should want that.

[Bostonborn62]

If Marcus is our starting point guard , we are going nowhere. He would have fit better back in the day(like a DJ type) but in today's game he's way too slow and makes way to many stupid plays , plus he thinks he's a good shooter which he is not. We need someone with size who can run the ball , MARCUS IS NOT THAT GUY. He should be 1st guard off the bench IF we keep him but I would rather move him now.
A Lonzo Ball type would be much better, IMO
Imagine someone who can fly with size fast breaking with the J's on the wings, would be devastating!!
I can dream can't I?
If Marcus is our starting PG day 1 , the TV's going off, I'll watch the highlights on YT the next day.
As for Rubio, I would rather him than Marcus but who else is out there to be had?

[nickagneta]

If Marcus is our starting point guard , we are going nowhere. He would have fit better back in the day(like a DJ type) but in today's game he's way too slow and makes way to many stupid plays , plus he thinks he's a good shooter which he is not. We need someone with size who can run the ball , MARCUS IS NOT THAT GUY. He should be 1st guard off the bench IF we keep him but I would rather move him now.
A Lonzo Ball type would be much better, IMO
Imagine someone who can fly with size fast breaking with the J's on the wings, would be devastating!!
I can dream can't I?
If Marcus is our starting PG day 1 , the TV's going off, I'll watch the highlights on YT the next day.
As for Rubio, I would rather him than Marcus but who else is out there to be had?

I don't think Ball is all that much faster that it makes a difference on the fast break. If Udoka decides to increase the pace and run fast breaks as much as possible, I don't see Ball as being all that much better at leading it than Smart. Any difference would be negligible

[CBS_Take a Report]

For the record, this isn’t a thread to suggest Marcus Smart isn’t a valuable asset. This is a thread to suggest his role should be spot starter at pg, off the bench spark plug and defensive specialist not starting pg. We need additional assets at the point guard position which Marcus Smart has been serviceable at, but that is not his natural position.

We can’t be done at building this roster particularly at this position. If we are, then we are not competing for a championship next year IMO.

[gouki88]

Not particularly interested. I would prefer McConnell, Ish Smith or Kris Dunn. All of those guys are better suited to 3rd string roles and would be able to play better alongside Pritchard in small lineups

[W8ting2McHale]

Not particularly interested. I would prefer McConnell, Ish Smith or Kris Dunn. All of those guys are better suited to 3rd string roles and would be able to play better alongside Pritchard in small lineups

Does anyone think Frank Ntilikina is worth anything as a reclamation project?

He’s been terrible at shooting, but isn’t he a plus defender with length? Thinking he could be  Thybulle type at PG. Of course we already have Romeo projecting as that if his shot doesn’t develop.

[gouki88]

Not particularly interested. I would prefer McConnell, Ish Smith or Kris Dunn. All of those guys are better suited to 3rd string roles and would be able to play better alongside Pritchard in small lineups

Does anyone think Frank Ntilikina is worth anything as a reclamation project?

He’s been terrible at shooting, but isn’t he a plus defender with length? Thinking he could be  Thybulle type at PG. Of course we already have Romeo projecting as that if his shot doesn’t develop.

I'd be down to have Ntilikina on our G-League roster, but I don't think anything more than that. Needs some serious work on the offensive end

[bogg]

Strictly speaking, yes Boston could go out and get Rubio with their non-Jays stuff. However, it probably comes down to either sending out Smart or Thompson plus one of the worthwhile young guys, and I don't think either trade really makes sense.

[CBS_Take a Report]

Strictly speaking, yes Boston could go out and get Rubio with their non-Jays stuff. However, it probably comes down to either sending out Smart or Thompson plus one of the worthwhile young guys, and I don't think either trade really makes sense.

Personally, I don’t think it would take that much.

[bogg]

Strictly speaking, yes Boston could go out and get Rubio with their non-Jays stuff. However, it probably comes down to either sending out Smart or Thompson plus one of the worthwhile young guys, and I don't think either trade really makes sense.

Personally, I don’t think it would take that much.

The math kind of requires it. To take back Rubio over the off-season Boston has to send out about $14.15 million. Thompson+Grant+Carsen doesn't quite get you there, and there isn't really a good reason for Minnesota to do that anyway. Thompson almost certainly pushes for a buyout right away, so they have to get something out of it.