What would the Grizzlies want for Anderson

[KG Living Legend]

.Anderson can play the 4 and 3 and even point. He's a good passer and playmaker.  Six foot eight can shoot and can defend 4 positions.

 Every team needs a Kyle Anderson.

[bogg]

They'd want a player and a future first, and encumbering future firsts takes you out of the Lillard/Beal/"unexpected star trade X" conversation, and so he's not really an option.

[Celtics2021]

They'd want a player and a future first, and encumbering future firsts takes you out of the Lillard/Beal/"unexpected star trade X" conversation, and so he's not really an option.

In no way is there any recent history suggesting that a 4-7th player in a rotation who’s making $9.5 million on an expiring is worth anything near even a protected first.  That’s just not how the market has worked for several years.

[nickagneta]

If the Celtics decide to keep Smart as the main PG, I think the Cs will need a much better player than Anderson at the 4. A Harrison Barnes/John Collins/ Jerami Grant/Pascal Siakam type player.

Not sure of the logistics to nab guys like that, but that's what I would try to be doing, unless the goal is to punt next season away and game plan financially for the 2022 and 2023 free agency seasons.

[CFAN38]

I would hope that a 3 team deal can be worked out where a team that needs a center takes on Thompson and the assets the Cs get in the trade (late or heavily protected 1st?) can be send to Memphis for Anderson. With JJJ back and healthy I could see Memphis resigning Winslow on a cheap deal to come off the bench instead of Anderson.

As for Anderson's fit with the Celtics if his improved 3pt shooting is more then a one season anomaly he is the perfect Swing to play along side Tatum and Brown. While he is an underwhelming athlete at 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan he brings great length to the court and should be fine playing some small ball 5. He is a willing and able passer who at times can play the point, he can take some on the ball pressure off of Smart and Tatum.

I also like the idea of the Cs have a Smart, Fournier, Brown,Tatum and Anderson lineup to throw at teams in the playoffs. 

[td450]

If the Celtics decide to keep Smart as the main PG, I think the Cs will need a much better player than Anderson at the 4. A Harrison Barnes/John Collins/ Jerami Grant/Pascal Siakam type player.

Not sure of the logistics to nab guys like that, but that's what I would try to be doing, unless the goal is to punt next season away and game plan financially for the 2022 and 2023 free agency seasons.

Question: Is it necessary in any way for the C's to prepare for free agency? Is the only advantage that you can convert more of your assets to future picks? Do the C's really have any assets they wouldn't be able to shed? Can't the C's give away everything except Tatum and Brown any time they want?

[td450]

Anderson is a nice player and a spot starter, but he's not a long term plus starter. Great teams often start one and sometimes even two of those types of players, but the C's have to solve for at least one higher quality starter first, at least if we are talking about trading any significant assets.

[Celtics2021]

Anderson is a nice player and a spot starter, but he's not a long term plus starter. Great teams often start one and sometimes even two of those types of players, but the C's have to solve for at least one higher quality starter first, at least if we are talking about trading any significant assets.

I think that's the reason why people like Anderson.  He's a good fit for us, but it's very possible he's less of a good fit in Memphis going forward.  With JJJ out, he gave them some good minutes, but he's probably headed to the bench next season, and they have some cheaper options at his positions they might like to give even more minutes to (Clarke and Tillman at the bigs, or Bane at the 3).  Further, if they decline Winslow's option they'll have roughly $15 million in cap room, and moving Anderson could get them up to around $24 million.  They might very well prefer the cap room to get a scoring wing in free agency, such as Hardaway Jr. or Duncan Robinson.  If that's the case, they aren't going to drive the toughest of bargains, and again, while many think Anderson is a very good fit here, that's not necessarily the case for a lot of teams, so there may not be many trade partners.  Kyle Anderson for a 1st or a prospect of any value?  Heck no.  Kyle Anderson absorbed into our trade exception for maybe a second?   Sure.

[bogg]

They'd want a player and a future first, and encumbering future firsts takes you out of the Lillard/Beal/"unexpected star trade X" conversation, and so he's not really an option.

In no way is there any recent history suggesting that a 4-7th player in a rotation who’s making $9.5 million on an expiring is worth anything near even a protected first.  That’s just not how the market has worked for several years.

There's no good reason for Memphis to want to move him. They're a young team trying to establish themselves as playoff regulars and Anderson is reasonably young, reasonably cheap, and pretty productive. If they wanted to move him there'd be no shortage of teams interested, so an offer of "eat Thompson's contract for us and we'll give you a pair of seconds" isn't going to cut it.

[Sophomore]

They'd want a player and a future first, and encumbering future firsts takes you out of the Lillard/Beal/"unexpected star trade X" conversation, and so he's not really an option.

In no way is there any recent history suggesting that a 4-7th player in a rotation who’s making $9.5 million on an expiring is worth anything near even a protected first.  That’s just not how the market has worked for several years.

There's no good reason for Memphis to want to move him. They're a young team trying to establish themselves as playoff regulars and Anderson is reasonably young, reasonably cheap, and pretty productive. If they wanted to move him there'd be no shortage of teams interested, so an offer of "eat Thompson's contract for us and we'll give you a pair of seconds" isn't going to cut it.

As Celtics2021 said above, there are reasons Memphis might not want Thompson but would want the cap room.

[bogg]

They'd want a player and a future first, and encumbering future firsts takes you out of the Lillard/Beal/"unexpected star trade X" conversation, and so he's not really an option.

In no way is there any recent history suggesting that a 4-7th player in a rotation who’s making $9.5 million on an expiring is worth anything near even a protected first.  That’s just not how the market has worked for several years.

There's no good reason for Memphis to want to move him. They're a young team trying to establish themselves as playoff regulars and Anderson is reasonably young, reasonably cheap, and pretty productive. If they wanted to move him there'd be no shortage of teams interested, so an offer of "eat Thompson's contract for us and we'll give you a pair of seconds" isn't going to cut it.

As Celtics2021 said above, there are reasons Memphis might not want Thompson but would want the cap room.

Salary-dumping Kyle Anderson so you can give Tim Hardaway Jr. $100 million when you already employ Dillon Brooks is roster malpractice. A low-end first seems like it'd be the floor for Anderson's value even if Memphis was motivated to move him.

[nickagneta]

If the Celtics decide to keep Smart as the main PG, I think the Cs will need a much better player than Anderson at the 4. A Harrison Barnes/John Collins/ Jerami Grant/Pascal Siakam type player.

Not sure of the logistics to nab guys like that, but that's what I would try to be doing, unless the goal is to punt next season away and game plan financially for the 2022 and 2023 free agency seasons.

Question: Is it necessary in any way for the C's to prepare for free agency? Is the only advantage that you can convert more of your assets to future picks? Do the C's really have any assets they wouldn't be able to shed? Can't the C's give away everything except Tatum and Brown any time they want?

Is it necessary? No.

It's a matter of which way Stevens decides is the best way to build around the Jays and who they believe the team could target and land as a free agent in the next two years.

If the team decides to free cap space to chase after that third piece in free agency or through trade into cap space, Smart is likely not extended. Fournier, if brought back is likely on a 1+1 or 2 year contract. Or he isn't brought back. Thompson is allowed to walk and Horford could be released and stretched.

But if Smart is extended and Fournier given a 4 year deal, most likely Boston looks for that third great player through a trade or just grow the team from within.

[td450]

If the Celtics decide to keep Smart as the main PG, I think the Cs will need a much better player than Anderson at the 4. A Harrison Barnes/John Collins/ Jerami Grant/Pascal Siakam type player.

Not sure of the logistics to nab guys like that, but that's what I would try to be doing, unless the goal is to punt next season away and game plan financially for the 2022 and 2023 free agency seasons.

Question: Is it necessary in any way for the C's to prepare for free agency? Is the only advantage that you can convert more of your assets to future picks? Do the C's really have any assets they wouldn't be able to shed? Can't the C's give away everything except Tatum and Brown any time they want?

Is it necessary? No.

It's a matter of which way Stevens decides is the best way to build around the Jays and who they believe the team could target and land as a free agent in the next two years.

If the team decides to free cap space to chase after that third piece in free agency or through trade into cap space, Smart is likely not extended. Fournier, if brought back is likely on a 1+1 or 2 year contract. Or he isn't brought back. Thompson is allowed to walk and Horford could be released and stretched.

But if Smart is extended and Fournier given a 4 year deal, most likely Boston looks for that third great player through a trade or just grow the team from within.

Well, waiting one year to bring in another major player seems difficult, and two seems crazy. So, thinking forward, bringing in anything other than a center or a point guard means there will not be much daylight for Langford and Nesmith, ever. If, for example, Beal was signed, its hard to see where either of them plays more than a minor bench role for many years. A power forward does the same thing, pushing back Tatum and Brown into 2 guard and small forward spots.

So, if that is something they would consider, it seems crazy to me not to try to trade Smart and one of those two (and even a future pick) for a more foundational pick in this draft, such as Mitchell or Barnes, and then not sign Fournier unless he takes a one year deal. Resigning Smart or Fournier sounds dangerous to me. Smart is getting older, and this all falls apart if he signs then gets hurt.

[bogg]

So, if that is something they would consider, it seems crazy to me not to try to trade Smart and one of those two (and even a future pick) for a more foundational pick in this draft, such as Mitchell or Barnes, and then not sign Fournier unless he takes a one year deal. Resigning Smart or Fournier sounds dangerous to me. Smart is getting older, and this all falls apart if he signs then gets hurt.

I'll just say that letting Fournier walk and trading Smart and other pieces for a rookie who may or may not be good sets the stage for Jaylen to consider asking out next summer if you don't land a star, because that "two years left on the contract" summer starts the clock on when a guy can start forcing a trade.

[CFAN38]

Anderson trade idea


Thompson to Raptors

Baynes and (2) 2nds from Raptors to Memphis (they waive him)

Anderson to Celtics

With a little manipulation the Cs should be able to work this out as two deals and use their TPE. This would also give Memphis a 9.5mill TPE.