Does Jaylen need to accept the Pippen role for this to work

[KG Living Legend]

Does Jaylen need to realize he's  Scottie Pippen and Tatum Is the Jordan on this team for long term success of the franchise.  Yes or no.

[nickagneta]

Pippen was amazing as a number 2 guy because he was a natural PG in high school and college then grew a bunch. So he was a SF but with excellent PG skills that fit perfectly alongside MJ as a playmaker.

Neither Jay has that passing/playmaking ability that raises others' games. And last year it sure seemed that both were being coached to be number 1 guys.

I actually think Udoka has to integrate them and let them play more together and off each other instead of letting both players taking turns being "the guy". I think the best case scenario is if they can be #1A and #1B players that play in unison, rather as separate lead players taking turns dominating the ball

[Csfan1984]

If you mean the defense, second scoring and rebounding he is getting there. I feel if he gets to Jordan passing level while Tatum gets to Pippen passing they will be pretty good as a tandem Both also still need more efficiency in addition to get to the line more and cutting down turnovers

[Ogaju]

file this under Celtics have a team leader problem.

[wiley]

no.  Jordan was clearly Jordan, the king.  The next best player, which happened to be Pippen, was naturally going to be second fiddle, repeat naturally.

Jaylen Brown at this early point in his career would have to be psychotic to tell himself that he will be a lifelong #2 to Tatum.  To do so would be completely unnatural.

Both Jaylen and Jayson have to continue to try to improve and become better players, and to play off each other and off of others. 

The C's are below 3-5 other teams in the East right now, a bit early for Jordan Pippen talk....

[Kiorrik]

no.  Jordan was clearly Jordan, the king.  The next best player, which happened to be Pippen, was naturally going to be second fiddle, repeat naturally.

Jaylen Brown at this early point in his career would have to be psychotic to tell himself that he will be a lifelong #2 to Tatum.  To do so would be completely unnatural.

Both Jaylen and Jayson have to continue to try to improve and become better players, and to play off each other and off of others. 

The C's are below 3-5 other teams in the East right now, a bit early for Jordan Pippen talk....

I also don't wanna necessarily believe he's that much worse than Tatum.

His growth has been insane. Did you see his numbers over the past few years? Dang son.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Are Jaylen and Tatum butting heads or something? I don't get the fascination for "whose team" this is otherwise.

[Kiorrik]

Are Jaylen and Tatum butting heads or something? I don't get the fascination for "whose team" this is otherwise.

Same. There's no problem, but we're seeing problems everywhere.

Just need to move the ball a little, is all.

If ball-dominant players like Harden, Durant and Irving can make it work, there's no reason why Jay² can't.

JAYSQUARED.

Heard it here first.

[Somebody]

Are Jaylen and Tatum butting heads or something? I don't get the fascination for "whose team" this is otherwise.

Same. There's no problem, but we're seeing problems everywhere.

Just need to move the ball a little, is all.

If ball-dominant players like Harden, Durant and Irving can make it work, there's no reason why Jay² can't.

JAYSQUARED.

Heard it here first.

To be fair Durant is one of the most scalable offensive superstars ever and Kryknee has some off-ball tendencies that make him an okay off-ball player.

[Kiorrik]

Are Jaylen and Tatum butting heads or something? I don't get the fascination for "whose team" this is otherwise.

Same. There's no problem, but we're seeing problems everywhere.

Just need to move the ball a little, is all.

If ball-dominant players like Harden, Durant and Irving can make it work, there's no reason why Jay² can't.

JAYSQUARED.

Heard it here first.

To be fair Durant is one of the most scalable offensive superstars ever and Kryknee has some off-ball tendencies that make him an okay off-ball player.

And I believe that our Jays will be able to adopt similar skills too.

My point is kinda that players can learn, and progress, and get better over time.

... and that the Jays have been working fine together and have shown no signs of plateauing.

[Muzzy66]

no.  Jordan was clearly Jordan, the king.  The next best player, which happened to be Pippen, was naturally going to be second fiddle, repeat naturally.

Jaylen Brown at this early point in his career would have to be psychotic to tell himself that he will be a lifelong #2 to Tatum.  To do so would be completely unnatural.

Both Jaylen and Jayson have to continue to try to improve and become better players, and to play off each other and off of others. 

The C's are below 3-5 other teams in the East right now, a bit early for Jordan Pippen talk....

Not sure about 'lifelong #2" or about Boston being a Jordan-bulls tier team anytime soon, but for the moment i think the base idea makes a lot of sense.

I really do get the feeling that Tatum and Brown both kinda think they are the best player on this team right now.  Only one of them is right.  Some will hate me for saying it, but I think it's blatantly obvious that it's Tatum, who is clearly a step ahead of Brown.  For that reason it makes sense to me that if the team is to be succesful, Brown will need to at some point accept he's the #2 - at least for the time being.

It's not just a talent-level thing either, it's also a play style thing.  Tatum came in to this league with everybody well aware that scoring was his thing.  He's a natural scorer in every way.  That's always been his cheif talent, and he's embraced that and well on the way to being a top tier player in that discipline.

Brown on the other hand was always sold as the athletic guy with special potential at attacking the basket and defence...which is ultimately the Pippen mould.  Yet this year especially he seems to have largely abandoned those disciplines in pursuit of trying to outscore (and out jumpshoot) Tatum.  His defence has clearly dropped off (at least to my eyes and i belive the stats too), his free throw rate has fallen off a cliff since the early part of his career, and he's throwing up jumpers at Tatum-like rates.

Maybe that can work, but I really do think that Boston is a better team when Tatum is being Tatum (i.e. the volume scorer / shooter who can also defend) and Brown is being Brown (the athletic slasher/defender who can also shoot/score).   

Maybe I'll be proven wrong in the upcoming season and they will show me that they are able to excel as they are with some roster and coaching changes...time will tell

[Kiorrik]

no.  Jordan was clearly Jordan, the king.  The next best player, which happened to be Pippen, was naturally going to be second fiddle, repeat naturally.

Jaylen Brown at this early point in his career would have to be psychotic to tell himself that he will be a lifelong #2 to Tatum.  To do so would be completely unnatural.

Both Jaylen and Jayson have to continue to try to improve and become better players, and to play off each other and off of others. 

The C's are below 3-5 other teams in the East right now, a bit early for Jordan Pippen talk....

Not sure about 'lifelong #2" or about Boston being a Jordan-bulls tier team anytime soon, but for the moment i think the base idea makes a lot of sense.

I really do get the feeling that Tatum and Brown both kinda think they are the best player on this team right now.  Only one of them is right.  Some will hate me for saying it, but I think it's blatantly obvious that it's Tatum, who is clearly a step ahead of Brown.  For that reason it makes sense to me that if the team is to be succesful, Brown will need to at some point accept he's the #2 - at least for the time being.

It's not just a talent-level thing either, it's also a play style thing.  Tatum came in to this league with everybody well aware that scoring was his thing.  He's a natural scorer in every way.  That's always been his cheif talent, and he's embraced that and well on the way to being a top tier player in that discipline.

Brown on the other hand was always sold as the athletic guy with special potential at attacking the basket and defence...which is ultimately the Pippen mould.  Yet this year especially he seems to have largely abandoned those disciplines in pursuit of trying to outscore (and out jumpshoot) Tatum.  His defence has clearly dropped off (at least to my eyes and i belive the stats too), his free throw rate has fallen off a cliff since the early part of his career, and he's throwing up jumpers at Tatum-like rates.

Maybe that can work, but I really do think that Boston is a better team when Tatum is being Tatum (i.e. the volume scorer / shooter who can also defend) and Brown is being Brown (the athletic slasher/defender who can also shoot/score).   

Maybe I'll be proven wrong in the upcoming season and they will show me that they are able to excel as they are with some roster and coaching changes...time will tell

Can I ask where you get this from?

I'm thinking the total opposite. I think they each know their strengths and weaknesses pretty well.

As for the second highlighted part; what? Do you even look at the stats?

Jaylen is attempting and making more freethrows than ever
Jaylen is attempting and making more 2 pointers (except last year, when he was 0.007 better)
Jaylen is attempting and making more 3 pointers
His Blocks, Steals and Assists are up too.

He's not better than Tatum at 2 pointers, but he's better at 3s.

"At least to my eyes and i belive the stats too"? Well, your eyes are wrong, and the stats don't lie?

"Off a cliff"? Man. Throw me off that same cliff please.

I wanna get better too.

[RockinRyA]

no.  Jordan was clearly Jordan, the king.  The next best player, which happened to be Pippen, was naturally going to be second fiddle, repeat naturally.

Jaylen Brown at this early point in his career would have to be psychotic to tell himself that he will be a lifelong #2 to Tatum.  To do so would be completely unnatural.

Both Jaylen and Jayson have to continue to try to improve and become better players, and to play off each other and off of others. 

The C's are below 3-5 other teams in the East right now, a bit early for Jordan Pippen talk....

Not sure about 'lifelong #2" or about Boston being a Jordan-bulls tier team anytime soon, but for the moment i think the base idea makes a lot of sense.

I really do get the feeling that Tatum and Brown both kinda think they are the best player on this team right now.  Only one of them is right.  Some will hate me for saying it, but I think it's blatantly obvious that it's Tatum, who is clearly a step ahead of Brown.  For that reason it makes sense to me that if the team is to be succesful, Brown will need to at some point accept he's the #2 - at least for the time being.

It's not just a talent-level thing either, it's also a play style thing.  Tatum came in to this league with everybody well aware that scoring was his thing.  He's a natural scorer in every way.  That's always been his cheif talent, and he's embraced that and well on the way to being a top tier player in that discipline.

Brown on the other hand was always sold as the athletic guy with special potential at attacking the basket and defence...which is ultimately the Pippen mould.  Yet this year especially he seems to have largely abandoned those disciplines in pursuit of trying to outscore (and out jumpshoot) Tatum.  His defence has clearly dropped off (at least to my eyes and i belive the stats too), his free throw rate has fallen off a cliff since the early part of his career, and he's throwing up jumpers at Tatum-like rates.

Maybe that can work, but I really do think that Boston is a better team when Tatum is being Tatum (i.e. the volume scorer / shooter who can also defend) and Brown is being Brown (the athletic slasher/defender who can also shoot/score).   

Maybe I'll be proven wrong in the upcoming season and they will show me that they are able to excel as they are with some roster and coaching changes...time will tell

Can I ask where you get this from?

I'm thinking the total opposite. I think they each know their strengths and weaknesses pretty well.

As for the second highlighted part; what? Do you even look at the stats?

Jaylen is attempting and making more freethrows than ever
Jaylen is attempting and making more 2 pointers (except last year, when he was 0.007 better)
Jaylen is attempting and making more 3 pointers
His Blocks, Steals and Assists are up too.

He's not better than Tatum at 2 pointers, but he's better at 3s.

"At least to my eyes and i belive the stats too"? Well, your eyes are wrong, and the stats don't lie?

"Off a cliff"? Man. Throw me off that same cliff please.

I wanna get better too.

well played.

[Kiorrik]

Sorry if I am being a bit of a teet by the way.

I'm getting a bit territorial with my boy Jaylen.

I feel he's the most underrated Celtic at the moment. All his stats are up in major ways all since his rookie year.

Meanwhile, everyone's trying to put him in trades.

I feel like this is what some OKC fans must have felt like reading Harden trades.

Don't give away the gold mine you're sitting on. Both Tatum and Brown are superstars.

Also, they're besties.

Wasn't Jaylen saying someone in his family was babysitting Jayson's kid?

Anyway, I'm rambling.

Just wanted to explain why I'm being a bit of an idiot and rude and stuff. Nothing personal <3

[SHAQATTACK]

I agree they need work on complimentary court skills .  …..learning to read the same music , not play two individual games. Lesser player have to learn these passing habits ,  with greater players they need coaching to give up the ball and think about the total picture on offense set as it unfolds.