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What is Sam Presti doing?
« on: June 19, 2021, 10:12:56 AM »

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I don't get this trade for OKC.  Taking on Kemba's contract makes no sense if they are in full-tank mode.  I expect him to be traded again, but for whom?  Kemba would like to go home to NY, but what will the Knicks offer?  Certainly not RJ Barrett ore Mitchell Robinson.  I heard one national pundit (Mike Wilbon) say this is like The Process on steroids.  Was Presti only interested in the #16?  Why?  He already has dozens and dozens of picks.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2021, 10:32:15 AM »

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My opinion is when you are a rebuilding team having extra draft picks is a good thing so you have more bites of the apple to strike gold, and flexibility to move up in the draft.  Wings and guards have more value in today’s NBA, so though Moses Brown looks promising maybe Presti would rather have the 16th pick.

Also I would say a year from now when Walker is an expiring contract Presti may be able to flip him again for a slightly worse contract with a pick attached like he just did.  Even having Walker this year they will probably still be a lottery team again.

I will also say if Presti ever gets a Westbrook, Harden, Durant, and Ibaka level players again do a better job of trying to make it work. Lol

I like the reasons we made the trade so this could be a situation where it’s beneficial for both teams.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2021, 10:48:20 AM »

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There are huge pluses to taking Kemba. Kemba is probably going to have a year of 20 5 5 and his value will increase. Before deadline he can flip Kemba for two 1st and a few expirings.

They are building capital to secure top picks or the right two stars to pair with SGA.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2021, 10:53:42 AM »

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Quote from: Surferdad on June 19, 2021, 10:12:56 AM
I don't get this trade for OKC.  Taking on Kemba's contract makes no sense if they are in full-tank mode.  I expect him to be traded again, but for whom?  Kemba would like to go home to NY, but what will the Knicks offer?  Certainly not RJ Barrett ore Mitchell Robinson.  I heard one national pundit (Mike Wilbon) say this is like The Process on steroids.  Was Presti only interested in the #16?  Why?  He already has dozens and dozens of picks.

Why not

OKC is not a FA destination.  He has all of these picks to create a legit contender

Hit on the lotto picks. And then use the other picks to fill in the lineup or trade for vets.

It will take time (5 years?)

As for Kemba, he will probably play sparingly this season.  He cant sit out completely.  But play to showcase his talent.  Strengthen his knee/treatment

Maybe someone bites at trade deadline. If not, next season (final year of contract), much more attractive for a trade.  Worst case, buy him out and save some money

OKC has to reach a cap floor anyways
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2021, 11:27:41 AM »

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Quote from: Tr1boy on June 19, 2021, 10:53:42 AM
Quote from: Surferdad on June 19, 2021, 10:12:56 AM
I don't get this trade for OKC.  Taking on Kemba's contract makes no sense if they are in full-tank mode.  I expect him to be traded again, but for whom?  Kemba would like to go home to NY, but what will the Knicks offer?  Certainly not RJ Barrett ore Mitchell Robinson.  I heard one national pundit (Mike Wilbon) say this is like The Process on steroids.  Was Presti only interested in the #16?  Why?  He already has dozens and dozens of picks.

Why not

OKC is not a FA destination.  He has all of these picks to create a legit contender

Hit on the lotto picks. And then use the other picks to fill in the lineup or trade for vets.

It will take time (5 years?)

As for Kemba, he will probably play sparingly this season.  He cant sit out completely.  But play to showcase his talent.  Strengthen his knee/treatment

Maybe someone bites at trade deadline. If not, next season (final year of contract), much more attractive for a trade.  Worst case, buy him out and save some money

OKC has to reach a cap floor anyways
OK that makes sense. 

My original question was me head-scratching.  I did not mean to imply I oppose what Presti is doing.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2021, 11:37:02 AM »

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Quote from: Csfan1984 on June 19, 2021, 10:48:20 AM
There are huge pluses to taking Kemba. Kemba is probably going to have a year of 20 5 5 and his value will increase. Before deadline he can flip Kemba for two 1st and a few expirings.

They are building capital to secure top picks or the right two stars to pair with SGA.

I will bet you anything you want that Kemba doesn’t get traded this year (or any year) for two 1sts and expiring contracts. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2021, 11:39:13 AM »

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My guess is if the Knicks want him they can have him for a future first rounder.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2021, 12:01:18 PM »

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I think Presti needs a legit starting NBA point guard right? He is running a basketball team that needs a couple of players to actually play for the people buying tickets?

Anyways, Kemba is a $36M expiring deal next deadline or summer or whatever and Presti can do something with that.

He traded Brown, but what is Presti's timeline? 5 or 6 or 7 years?

He does need to get a couple of high picks. At the moment, it looks like his best first round picks through 2026 will be his own (plus a protected Rockets pick) as the pile of picks he's gathered are from good teams (Clips/Philly/Mia/Bos).
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2021, 12:18:56 PM »

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I suspect they keep Kemba this season as their starting PG next to SGA. If the season goes well they will then trade him next offseason at no asset cost, if it goes bad they move him using one of their many picks as a pay off
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2021, 01:07:53 PM »

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You can never have too many draft picks if you're trying to rebuild.  Using cap space to take on bad contracts for pick(s) is typical for tanking teams.  This is the same as when they traded for Horford except Kemba's contract is only 2 years.  I expect them to flip Kemba for another 1st even if it is in another salary dump trade. 

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2021, 01:09:33 PM »

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All about the draft pick.

Cap space is not that valuable if you are not ready to spend it. And by that I mean - OKC wants to stay bad and add high value lottery picks (top 10 picks, preferably top 5 picks) and build a core that they can build around. They do not have that yet. Thus, they are not ready to go after long term fixes in FA. Kemba is just a temporary fit that is only there because they got another 1st rounder in order to take him.

They are renting out their cap space for extra draft picks. Either to use those picks by drafting or via trades.

It is very difficult to get high quality (star quality) free agents to sign with you when you are a terrible team. It is low end strategy. Much better to build through the draft early (or trade opportunities) and then begin to pursue free agents later in your rebuilding phase. When you can point your prospective FAs to the core that is already here and sell them on OKC being somewhere where you can win a Championship.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2021, 01:10:06 PM »

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Quote from: CFAN38 on June 19, 2021, 12:18:56 PM
I suspect they keep Kemba this season as their starting PG next to SGA. If the season goes well they will then trade him next offseason at no asset cost, if it goes bad they move him using one of their many picks as a pay off
They're not going to waste a pick to move off 1 year of Kemba's contract.  If they can't trade him straight up for a 1st, they'll use him in another salary dump trade to get a 1st. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2021, 03:03:42 PM »

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Ainge basically followed this strategy taking on Gerald Wallace, Jordan Crawford etc. He was way ahead of the curve. The Nets did the same thing once their Deron Williams championship pipe dream fizzled out.

Big market or not, their reputation was greatly resuscitated by taking their lumps and shrewdly gaining assets until they could field a decent team. That revived reputation landed them KD and The Cafe Philosopher.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2021, 03:13:50 PM »

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Quote from: CFAN38 on June 19, 2021, 12:18:56 PM
I suspect they keep Kemba this season as their starting PG next to SGA. If the season goes well they will then trade him next offseason at no asset cost, if it goes bad they move him using one of their many picks as a pay off
After a season of not playing him on the end of back-to-backs he couldn't make it through a full playoff series. If any team offers them an asset, he'll be moved.
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2021, 03:15:25 PM »

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They got #16. That's all they care about.

Don't think Kemba will be traded again this year. I expect them to rehabilitate his value and sell high(er) on him next season. They already did the same thing with CP3 and Horford. At the very least, Kemba will be an expiring next season.

Really like the trade for OKC. Can't say the same thing about the C's.
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