Woj: Competition Committee to Meet to Discuss "Unnatural Motion" Restrictions

[greg683x]

As long as the same rules apply to everybody, I’ll be happy with it.

If I know the NBA, they’ll make these rule changes and star players will still get away with it but the rest of the league won’t

[LilRip]

I hope they can do something about it. They were able to successfully take away a lot of Kemba/IT4’s old FT tricks by either not calling them or not considering them in the act of shooting. Harden initiating contact should be studied and called properly.

I honestly wouldn’t mind if they removed a lot of the recent rules surrounding jumpshooters. I think the rules that should remain are 1) hitting a guy on the arm and 2) assessing flagrants for Zaza fouls. This sidestep/step back then jump-forward-with-a-kick nonsense needs to stop.

[SparzWizard]

I miss the days when Paul Pierce would do a pump-fake jump shot and draw a foul.

And nails them for and-1's.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

2 calls that annoy me:

The out of bounds call on the 3-point attempt in the corner. Not sure what to do about it but I just get annoyed by the play stoppage based on touch of the line. Technically right call but not worth breaking the flow of the game.  Seems impossible to change that though. It’s obviously a tough place on the court for players to know exactly where their feet are relative to the sideline.  Generally don’t step OOB anywhere else on a shot. 

Also the barely perceptible shuffle “traveling” call on the catch and move.  Another play stoppage that isn’t necessary on the subtle moves.

I guess they could think up some sort of “warning track” like they do is baseball?  A change of texture near out of bounds?

Or make the court significantly wider, allowing for corner threes to be more like the rest of the arc (makes no sense that threes are different distances) and giving players more room to maneuver in the corners.

[boscel33]

I think that is great.  Defenders should able to defend.  If the contact is due to the shooter leaning in, that shouldn't be a foul, make it a no call. Incidental contact.  Not all contact with a shooter needs to be a foul or offensive foul.  If they do that, and it starts counting as a missed FG attempt, shooters will stop doing it.

Now if the defender is at all out of control and the contact is created by the shooter stopping quickly or something like that (but not jumping or leaning in) then it can still be a foul.

This is hard to police but I think they can do it better if they try.  They will never clean it up 100% but they can get rid of a lot of it.

I've said this many times.  If a defender jumps straight up and and offensive player jumps into them, that should be an offensive foul.  I also wish they'd start calling the clear out more and the infamous Robert Parish spin hook on the baseline, where he hooked the defender and went around him.  That was a sweet move, but called so many times, but not any longer.

[Celtics2021]

2 calls that annoy me:

The out of bounds call on the 3-point attempt in the corner. Not sure what to do about it but I just get annoyed by the play stoppage based on touch of the line. Technically right call but not worth breaking the flow of the game.  Seems impossible to change that though. It’s obviously a tough place on the court for players to know exactly where their feet are relative to the sideline.  Generally don’t step OOB anywhere else on a shot. 

Also the barely perceptible shuffle “traveling” call on the catch and move.  Another play stoppage that isn’t necessary on the subtle moves.

I guess they could think up some sort of “warning track” like they do is baseball?  A change of texture near out of bounds?

Or make the court significantly wider, allowing for corner threes to be more like the rest of the arc (makes no sense that threes are different distances) and giving players more room to maneuver in the corners.

Or just make the 3-point line the same length all around, so that corner 3s are gone.  Then players will have plenty of room to maneuver because they won’t need to pin themselves right against the out of bounds line, and we can have offense that doesn’t feature 1-2 players standing at the corners motionless waiting for a catch.

[slamtheking]

2 calls that annoy me:

The out of bounds call on the 3-point attempt in the corner. Not sure what to do about it but I just get annoyed by the play stoppage based on touch of the line. Technically right call but not worth breaking the flow of the game.  Seems impossible to change that though. It’s obviously a tough place on the court for players to know exactly where their feet are relative to the sideline.  Generally don’t step OOB anywhere else on a shot. 

Also the barely perceptible shuffle “traveling” call on the catch and move.  Another play stoppage that isn’t necessary on the subtle moves.

I guess they could think up some sort of “warning track” like they do is baseball?  A change of texture near out of bounds?

Or make the court significantly wider, allowing for corner threes to be more like the rest of the arc (makes no sense that threes are different distances) and giving players more room to maneuver in the corners.

that will never happen -- many, if not all, arenas would lose their highest-price front row seats on both sides of the court.  money talks.   Players should know where they are on the floor and it's their fault if they don't

[johnnygreen]

I saw the play happen live, but couldn’t believe the whole story when I heard about the next day. In game 3 of the Bucks Nets series, there was an argument/scuffle between Durant and PJ Tucker. Durant’s body guard ran onto the court, and ran into Tucker. Just like the commentators, I also thought the security guard was bad at his job if he was running into players. In hindsight, it was a blatant attack on Tucker, to remind him that Durant had protection and backup.

If players on the bench are not allowed on the court during a “fight”, than a body guard surely can’t also. After all, it is an automatic suspension for any player that comes off the bench and enters the court. The player should be responsible for the actions of his body guard if he enters the court, and should be suspended. To me, Durant should have automatically been suspended for game 4.

[slamtheking]

I saw the play happen live, but couldn’t believe the whole story when I heard about the next day. In game 3 of the Bucks Nets series, there was an argument/scuffle between Durant and PJ Tucker. Durant’s body guard ran onto the court, and ran into Tucker. Just like the commentators, I also thought the security guard was bad at his job if he was running into players. In hindsight, it was a blatant attack on Tucker, to remind him that Durant had protection and backup.

If players on the bench are not allowed on the court during a “fight”, than a body guard surely can’t also. After all, it is an automatic suspension for any player that comes off the bench and enters the court. The player should be responsible for the actions of his body guard if he enters the court, and should be suspended. To me, Durant should have automatically been suspended for game 4.

agree 100% although I'd go further with at least a hefty fine --> 2 games worth of pay at a minimum and suspended for 2 games if not the series.  Stop this nonsense in its tracks

Bodyguard should also be permanently banned from all NBA arenas as would happen to any fan that did that.

[Big333223]

The problem with today's rules, and also the problem with any upcoming rules: There's SO MANY little rules about motion now, Refs can whistle, then decide ANYTHING they want.

Example; Smart's last charge vs Durant, that was then overturned. Was smart still moving? Absolutely. Did Durant run full on into him without really seeing it coming? Absolutely. Could it have been called either way without much fanfare? Clearly, yes.

Defenders don't have to be absolutely set with no motion. That would make defence IMPOSSIBLE on someone that's moving sideways. This is why refs oughta "let them play" a bit more, and why so many people are complaining about the game not being the same anymore.

It's why Durant gets away CLEARLY injuring Tatum's eye, but on another possession, someone's 'fro gets grazed and it's a foul. Refs/league can do as they want on every single play. And rules like the ones they're gonna come up with to restrict this kinda action, are no different.

Sorry folks. I'm salty.

Don't apologize, I feel the same way. Too many tiny band-aids all over the rulebook.

If the league actually makes an attempt at stopping what are obviously offensive fouls but are being called as defensive fouls, the NBA will be a little more fun to watch.

Or make the court significantly wider, allowing for corner threes to be more like the rest of the arc (makes no sense that threes are different distances) and giving players more room to maneuver in the corners.

I think widening the court would improve the game a ton. It addresses the room to maneuver problem you're talking about, it also makes the corner 3 a little bit harder which is good because the corner 3 has become an inordinately important part of basketball due mostly to this quirk of court size, and it also means opening up driving lanes a little more - if the 3 point line is a little farther away, the defender will also be that much farther away from the basket, giving offensive player a slightly more attractive driving lane.

Of course, it'll never happen.

[gift]

The key is consistency, whatever the rule. Leaving it up to a ref during the speed of an nba game to determine "unnatural motion" is very subjective. It's likely you can argue a lot of Harden's unnatural motions are actually natural at this point. I hate those fouls but I'm skeptical this is going to make a significant, positive change.

[gift]

2 calls that annoy me:

The out of bounds call on the 3-point attempt in the corner. Not sure what to do about it but I just get annoyed by the play stoppage based on touch of the line. Technically right call but not worth breaking the flow of the game.  Seems impossible to change that though. It’s obviously a tough place on the court for players to know exactly where their feet are relative to the sideline.  Generally don’t step OOB anywhere else on a shot. 

Also the barely perceptible shuffle “traveling” call on the catch and move.  Another play stoppage that isn’t necessary on the subtle moves.

I guess they could think up some sort of “warning track” like they do is baseball?  A change of texture near out of bounds?

Or make the court significantly wider, allowing for corner threes to be more like the rest of the arc (makes no sense that threes are different distances) and giving players more room to maneuver in the corners.

Or just make the 3-point line the same length all around, so that corner 3s are gone.  Then players will have plenty of room to maneuver because they won’t need to pin themselves right against the out of bounds line, and we can have offense that doesn’t feature 1-2 players standing at the corners motionless waiting for a catch.

I've hated this idea in the past (cause I like corner threes), but I think it is the best quick solution for now.

[gouki88]

2 calls that annoy me:

The out of bounds call on the 3-point attempt in the corner. Not sure what to do about it but I just get annoyed by the play stoppage based on touch of the line. Technically right call but not worth breaking the flow of the game.  Seems impossible to change that though. It’s obviously a tough place on the court for players to know exactly where their feet are relative to the sideline.  Generally don’t step OOB anywhere else on a shot. 

Also the barely perceptible shuffle “traveling” call on the catch and move.  Another play stoppage that isn’t necessary on the subtle moves.

I guess they could think up some sort of “warning track” like they do is baseball?  A change of texture near out of bounds?

Or make the court significantly wider, allowing for corner threes to be more like the rest of the arc (makes no sense that threes are different distances) and giving players more room to maneuver in the corners.

Or just make the 3-point line the same length all around, so that corner 3s are gone.  Then players will have plenty of room to maneuver because they won’t need to pin themselves right against the out of bounds line, and we can have offense that doesn’t feature 1-2 players standing at the corners motionless waiting for a catch.

Trying to end PJ Tucker's career huh?

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

2 calls that annoy me:

The out of bounds call on the 3-point attempt in the corner. Not sure what to do about it but I just get annoyed by the play stoppage based on touch of the line. Technically right call but not worth breaking the flow of the game.  Seems impossible to change that though. It’s obviously a tough place on the court for players to know exactly where their feet are relative to the sideline.  Generally don’t step OOB anywhere else on a shot. 

Also the barely perceptible shuffle “traveling” call on the catch and move.  Another play stoppage that isn’t necessary on the subtle moves.

I guess they could think up some sort of “warning track” like they do is baseball?  A change of texture near out of bounds?

Or make the court significantly wider, allowing for corner threes to be more like the rest of the arc (makes no sense that threes are different distances) and giving players more room to maneuver in the corners.

Or just make the 3-point line the same length all around, so that corner 3s are gone.  Then players will have plenty of room to maneuver because they won’t need to pin themselves right against the out of bounds line, and we can have offense that doesn’t feature 1-2 players standing at the corners motionless waiting for a catch.

Trying to end PJ Tucker's career huh?

A lot of "3 and D" guys would suddenly become just "D" guys, lol.

[SCeltic34]

2 calls that annoy me:

The out of bounds call on the 3-point attempt in the corner. Not sure what to do about it but I just get annoyed by the play stoppage based on touch of the line. Technically right call but not worth breaking the flow of the game.  Seems impossible to change that though. It’s obviously a tough place on the court for players to know exactly where their feet are relative to the sideline.  Generally don’t step OOB anywhere else on a shot. 

Also the barely perceptible shuffle “traveling” call on the catch and move.  Another play stoppage that isn’t necessary on the subtle moves.

I guess they could think up some sort of “warning track” like they do is baseball?  A change of texture near out of bounds?

Or make the court significantly wider, allowing for corner threes to be more like the rest of the arc (makes no sense that threes are different distances) and giving players more room to maneuver in the corners.

Or just make the 3-point line the same length all around, so that corner 3s are gone.  Then players will have plenty of room to maneuver because they won’t need to pin themselves right against the out of bounds line, and we can have offense that doesn’t feature 1-2 players standing at the corners motionless waiting for a catch.

I've hated this idea in the past (cause I like corner threes), but I think it is the best quick solution for now.

Knee-jerk reaction is that this would mar the game even further.  I haven't given it much thought, but it seems that by eliminating the corner 3 the game would actually become even more perimeter oriented and jumpshot heavy.  You'd have defenders packing in towards the paint, making it much harder score with layups, dunks and alley-oops, and backdoor cuts.  If an offensive player kicks it to an open player in the corner, so what?  It's just a long two - a shot that advanced metrics has proven to be an inferior shot option in an NBA game.  Better to pack the paint or prevent an open 3 on other parts of the court.

The game has gone downhill enough IMO with the 3-ball era and rule changes that make it near impossible to play decent defense.  The things they review for flagrant fouls these days are a joke.