Thank you Danny Ainge

[hwangjini_1]

Danny was good, not great

How many executives out there have delivered a championship, kept their team in the playoffs almost every season, and left behind two young stars?  How many were able to sign multiple max free agents, and had the ammunition to land all NBA players in trade?

Danny was great.  Unlucky, but great.

well said Roy. a tp for you sir.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Danny was good, not great

How many executives out there have delivered a championship, kept their team in the playoffs almost every season, and left behind two young stars?  How many were able to sign multiple max free agents, and had the ammunition to land all NBA players in trade?

Danny was great.  Unlucky, but great.

Well, the max free agents finally came because we had our whiz head coach, but Danny gets some credit for betting on Stevens after Doc decided he did not want to rebuild.

But let’s not forget that if not for the KG trade, Danny would have met this fate 13-14 years ago. If not for drafting Tatum, he would have met this fate 2-3 years ago. 

Bottom line: One championship in nearly two decades is good, not great. Winning 16 titles in 30 years (even 64 years) is great. That’s the Celtic Pride we need to bring back.  The Lakers have won five times as many championships in the 21st century as us, so that’s not great.

[LilRip]

Thank you Ainge, indeed! He architected the KG-Pierce-RA super team and came awfully close in building another super team with Kyrie-GH-Horford-Tatum. Ironically, if we had healthy IT instead of Kyrie that year, I think we could’ve gotten to the finals.

Ainge’s best moments for me were:
1. Trading for KG
2. Trading for BKN picks
3. Assembling Kyrie-GH (I was legit excited at the time)

[kraidstar]

Danny was good, not great

How many executives out there have delivered a championship, kept their team in the playoffs almost every season, and left behind two young stars?  How many were able to sign multiple max free agents, and had the ammunition to land all NBA players in trade?

Danny was great.  Unlucky, but great.

Well, the max free agents finally came because we had our whiz head coach, but Danny gets some credit for betting on Stevens after Doc decided he did not want to rebuild.

But let’s not forget that if not for the KG trade, Danny would have met this fate 13-14 years ago. If not for drafting Tatum, he would have met this fate 2-3 years ago. 

Bottom line: One championship in nearly two decades is good, not great. Winning 16 titles in 30 years (even 64 years) is great. That’s the Celtic Pride we need to bring back.  The Lakers have won five times as many championships in the 21st century as us, so that’s not great.

So if Ainge doesn't do the smart things that he did he would have been fired?

There's a hot take.

Remember half the posters here wanted us to trade the Brooklyn picks for Greg Monroe, Jahlil Okafor, or Kris Middleton. Yeah. Danny was ahead of the curve on almost everything until the Hayward injury.

We don't have Lebron, or the LA beaches, or the refs on our side. Don't let the Warriors' success fool you btw; they got a once-in-a-lifetime break when the salary cap blew up, enabling KD to sign. Otherwise their ascent mirrored what ours has been so far. Winning even one in this league (and nearly winning a couple more) is very good in the modern NBA climate.

We are due for some good luck. Be patient and have some appreciation.

[slamtheking]

Thank you Ainge, indeed! He architected the KG-Pierce-RA super team and came awfully close in building another super team with Kyrie-GH-Horford-Tatum. Ironically, if we had healthy IT instead of Kyrie that year, I think we could’ve gotten to the finals.

Ainge’s best moments for me were:
1. Trading for KG
2. Trading for BKN picks
3. Assembling Kyrie-GH (I was legit excited at the time)

interesting thought there on IT.  It would not surprise me that if IT hadn't been injured, the Kyrie trade may not have happened because even if Danny had to back up the Brinks truck to resign IT, IT wanted to stay with the C's unlike Kyrie.  IT, GH, Horford, Tatum and Brown would have been a killer team (using that alternate reality, circumstances that caused Hayward's injury wouldn't have existed and who knows how that team performs that season) and we'd have still had that last Brooklyn pick and Crowder to come off the bench. 

for that matter, add in that fact we wouldn't have had Kyrie which blocked our ability to trade for AD due to the Rose Rule, we may have also added him (while losing Jaylen unfortunately).  ah, what might have been.

[Moranis]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

[Kiorrik]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

We talking titles? Then sure.

We talking $$? Perhaps not.

[Ogaju]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

We talking titles? Then sure.

We talking $$? Perhaps not.

At the end of the day owners want $4 fans want championships.

[kraidstar]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

We talking titles? Then sure.

We talking $$? Perhaps not.

1987-2007 was much, much worse. It started with the death of Len Bias, then Bird's back gave out, and went downhill from there.

Ainge has put us in a good spot despite a lot going against us since 2008.

[Roy H.]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

We talking titles? Then sure.

We talking $$? Perhaps not.

1988 until 2007 was the worst 20 year stretch in franchise history.  Danny was executive for four of those seasons.

During that stretch we made the Conference Finals twice, won no titles, and missed the playoffs nine times.  We lost in the first round six additional times.

Nick Wright is a troll and a moron.

[kraidstar]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

Nick Wright is a legit moron. IIRC he argued for years and years that Brady was just a middle-of-the-road QB. Hahaha

[Moranis]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

We talking titles? Then sure.

We talking $$? Perhaps not.

1987-2007 was much, much worse. It started with the death of Len Bias, then Bird's back gave out, and went downhill from there.

Ainge has put us in a good spot despite a lot going against us since 2008.

But that overlaps with Ainge.  His point was that from the 01-02 season till today (i.e. the last 20 seasons), Boston has won 1 championship with just 2 Finals appearances.  Going back in 20 year increments that is the least amount of titles and finals appearances in any period (and it is at least half of any other 20 year period with those with most having way more of each).  2 of the 3 worst seasons by win percentage also fall under Ainge's watch 07 and 14 (only 97 is worse). 

And the dollars isn't on Ainge.  The television contracts have exploded.  Every team is worth way more today than they were 20 years ago, by a huge margin.  In 2002 the average franchise value was 223 million.  Today it is 2.2 billion. 

[kraidstar]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

We talking titles? Then sure.

We talking $$? Perhaps not.

At the end of the day owners want $4 fans want championships.

Owners want both. They are ultra-competitive and you can bet they love the thrill of having a bunch of glorified gladiators battling on their behalf. It doesn't get better than that.

Look at Bob Kraft. He was a fanatical season ticket holder, now he's living the dream and will go down as a legend.

[kraidstar]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

We talking titles? Then sure.

We talking $$? Perhaps not.

1987-2007 was much, much worse. It started with the death of Len Bias, then Bird's back gave out, and went downhill from there.

Ainge has put us in a good spot despite a lot going against us since 2008.

But that overlaps with Ainge.  His point was that from the 01-02 season till today (i.e. the last 20 seasons), Boston has won 1 championship with just 2 Finals appearances.  Going back in 20 year increments that is the least amount of titles and finals appearances in any period (and it is at least half of any other 20 year period with those with most having way more of each).  2 of the 3 worst seasons by win percentage also fall under Ainge's watch 07 and 14 (only 97 is worse). 

And the dollars isn't on Ainge.  The television contracts have exploded.  Every team is worth way more today than they were 20 years ago, by a huge margin.  In 2002 the average franchise value was 223 million.  Today it is 2.2 billion.

I guess if you ignore all context, then yeah, Danny has been a poor steward.

But it's not very relevant or helpful to ignore context.

BTW he joined the C's in 2003-2004, two seasons after the disastrous Joe Johnson trade, and one season after the pitiful Vin Baker acquisition. And one of those "3 worst Celtics seasons" directly led to Ray Allen and a championship. The other led to Marcus Smart, who likely would have hoisted a trophy himself had Gordon Hayward's leg not snapped in half.

But that is just context.

[Kiorrik]

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1400472197500526597

The reality is that Danny Ainge oversaw the least successful 20 years in the history of the Celtics franchise.

We talking titles? Then sure.

We talking $$? Perhaps not.

1987-2007 was much, much worse. It started with the death of Len Bias, then Bird's back gave out, and went downhill from there.

Ainge has put us in a good spot despite a lot going against us since 2008.

But that overlaps with Ainge.  His point was that from the 01-02 season till today (i.e. the last 20 seasons), Boston has won 1 championship with just 2 Finals appearances.  Going back in 20 year increments that is the least amount of titles and finals appearances in any period (and it is at least half of any other 20 year period with those with most having way more of each).  2 of the 3 worst seasons by win percentage also fall under Ainge's watch 07 and 14 (only 97 is worse). 

And the dollars isn't on Ainge.  The television contracts have exploded.  Every team is worth way more today than they were 20 years ago, by a huge margin.  In 2002 the average franchise value was 223 million.  Today it is 2.2 billion.

I guess if you ignore all context, then yeah, Danny has been a poor steward.

But it's not very relevant or helpful to ignore context.

BTW he joined the C's in 2003two,  seasons after the disastrous Joe Johnson trade, and one season after the pitiful Vin Baker acquisition. And one of those Celtics "3 worst seasons" directly led to Ray Allen and a championship. The other led to Marcus Smart, who likely would have hoisted a trophy himself had Gordon Hayward's leg not snapped in half.

But that is just context.

I'd also like to add that if you're handed a coin that's tossed tails 50 times in a row, it doesn't necessarily land on tails again.

Sure the Celtics are a class organisation. But being the worst means a lot less when you're still better than 75% of the teams in the league.