Would you make this trade?

[Kiorrik]

Nah, Wall is a worse shooter and defender than Kemba

Worse shooter, but he’s a much better passer and there’s no way he’s worse defensively. Miami’s offensive strategy against Boston was literally to just go at Kemba on every possession since he couldn’t stop anyone. And it worked... the only other C’s player I’ve seen a team do that to was IT.

This actually convinced me :] TP!

It was absolutely torture to watch and there was nothing the C’s could do to stop it, other than take Kemba out of the game. You double and then Duncan, Herro, Dragic, etc are getting wide open 3’s. Spolestra completely exposed the C’s defensively. Can’t go through another season of that.

The saddest part is exactly that; having to take out your max level player, cuz he dun cut it.

I love the guy. He's just not a max imo.

[Goldstar88]

I don’t know how the trade will work because Wall makes significantly more but assuming it does, we’ll be getting a significantly different player from Kemba. I don’t know how people could see them and think they’re the same player (injuries aside).

- Kemba’s a microwave scorer vs Wall is a transition terror
- Kemba’s an undersized defender vs Wall is a big PG and a strong individual defender
- Kemba’s at his best thinking score first vs Wall is at his best when he’s creating for others
- Kemba’s is deadly with PnR threes vs Wall isn’t a good shooter

Granted, I didn’t watch Wall in Houston so I’m going off of older memories. It would definitely shake up the roster, although I don’t know if it’s for the better. Because Wall is more of a facilitator, I’m thinking it’s possible that it’s a good thing. Although I do shudder at Wall and Smart sharing the floor.

It works in the trade machine: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine


You’re right, Smart and Wall wouldn’t be able to  spend too much time on the court together unless the other 3 guys playing with them are all shooters. Smart really should be coming off the bench anyway.

[LilRip]

I don’t know how the trade will work because Wall makes significantly more but assuming it does, we’ll be getting a significantly different player from Kemba. I don’t know how people could see them and think they’re the same player (injuries aside).

- Kemba’s a microwave scorer vs Wall is a transition terror
- Kemba’s an undersized defender vs Wall is a big PG and a strong individual defender
- Kemba’s at his best thinking score first vs Wall is at his best when he’s creating for others
- Kemba’s is deadly with PnR threes vs Wall isn’t a good shooter

Granted, I didn’t watch Wall in Houston so I’m going off of older memories. It would definitely shake up the roster, although I don’t know if it’s for the better. Because Wall is more of a facilitator, I’m thinking it’s possible that it’s a good thing. Although I do shudder at Wall and Smart sharing the floor.

It works in the trade machine: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine


You’re right, Smart and Wall wouldn’t be able to  spend too much time on the court together unless the other 3 guys playing with them are all shooters. Smart really should be coming off the bench anyway.

You’re right! It does work.

Anyway, even if Smart comes off the bench, if CBS is coaching, we’re likely still gonna see Smart play down the stretch.

Wall-Smart-Brown-Tatum-TT

Decent but not one that makes me think championship

[tonydelk]

No...same player.

Yes both are injury prone but Wall is better.  I'd rather have Wall over Kemba.  This is the only kind of deal that we can do.  Trade over priced injury prone player for over priced injury prone player.

[nickagneta]

When it comes to the ability to trade Kemba, this seems like a legit option. Let’s face it, Kemba is basically a negative asset at this point, due to his injury history and contract (same as Wall). The biggest draw-back to Wall is his contract. As far as Kemba, there is zero chance he doesn’t pick up his option, as he will never make that kind of money again.

Is the idea that Kemba is a better defender, strictly relying on his willingness to take charges? Other than that, Kemba is a black hole, where teams constantly try to take advantage of him and puts pressure on the rest of the Celtics defenders. When it came time for the playoffs, teams were focusing on attacking Kemba.

How would the offense be different with Wall is my question. Will he create offense, and prevent the constant one on one trips from Tatum and Brown?

He should be able to create offense. Although the question I have on my mind is, will his inability to shoot actually hurt the team more?

Now, if Wall has developed a shot over the course of his long hiatus, that’s a different matter. I mean, D-rose has developed a shot despite coming in as a slashing PG

Wall took 6.2 3-pointers a game at 31.7%

Smart took 5.9 3-pointers at 33%

If fans on this board don't like Smart's shot selection and ability to make threes, they will absolutely hate Wall.

[LilRip]

When it comes to the ability to trade Kemba, this seems like a legit option. Let’s face it, Kemba is basically a negative asset at this point, due to his injury history and contract (same as Wall). The biggest draw-back to Wall is his contract. As far as Kemba, there is zero chance he doesn’t pick up his option, as he will never make that kind of money again.

Is the idea that Kemba is a better defender, strictly relying on his willingness to take charges? Other than that, Kemba is a black hole, where teams constantly try to take advantage of him and puts pressure on the rest of the Celtics defenders. When it came time for the playoffs, teams were focusing on attacking Kemba.

How would the offense be different with Wall is my question. Will he create offense, and prevent the constant one on one trips from Tatum and Brown?

He should be able to create offense. Although the question I have on my mind is, will his inability to shoot actually hurt the team more?

Now, if Wall has developed a shot over the course of his long hiatus, that’s a different matter. I mean, D-rose has developed a shot despite coming in as a slashing PG

Wall took 6.2 3-pointers a game at 31.7%

Smart took 5.9 3-pointers at 33%

If fans on this board don't like Smart's shot selection and ability to make threes, they will absolutely hate Wall.

Lol true. And it’d be a disaster having them on the same team.

The more I think about it, the less averse I am though to trading for Wall. Contract is bloated and ends the same year as Kemba so I view that as a wash, but now we get a PG who knows how to set other players up (and make role players look good) and who fits into a switch-everything type of defense.

That said, it still means we should probably move Smart, which is unfortunate but might be necessary. His bigger payday is coming up and the team might be better off moving him now rather than later.

[Irish Stew]

If you want to move the Walker contract, Brian Robb suggested Porzingis. He has one more year left on his contract than Walker, though it's a player option year.

[slamtheking]

If you want to move the Walker contract, Brian Robb suggested Porzingis. He has one more year left on his contract than Walker, though it's a player option year.

that's a move I could see as making a bit more sense for the C's.  Zinger would be a reclamation risk but his career timeline is closer to the J's and he plays the 4/5 which this team really needs to improve.  starting line-up of Smart, Jaylen, Jayson, Zinger and TL would give the league fits (provided Zinger and TL can stay healthy).

[Muzzy66]

No, I would not.  Don't believe it makes the team better.

[Goldstar88]

If you want to move the Walker contract, Brian Robb suggested Porzingis. He has one more year left on his contract than Walker, though it's a player option year.

that's a move I could see as making a bit more sense for the C's.  Zinger would be a reclamation risk but his career timeline is closer to the J's and he plays the 4/5 which this team really needs to improve.  starting line-up of Smart, Jaylen, Jayson, Zinger and TL would give the league fits (provided Zinger and TL can stay healthy).

It might make sense for the C’s, but it makes no sense for Dallas. I’ve heard that Cuban is a pretty smart guy. I don’t think he would go for it.

[Goldstar88]

Nah, Wall is a worse shooter and defender than Kemba

Worse shooter, but he’s a much better passer and there’s no way he’s worse defensively. Miami’s offensive strategy against Boston was literally to just go at Kemba on every possession since he couldn’t stop anyone. And it worked... the only other C’s player I’ve seen a team do that to was IT.

This actually convinced me :] TP!

It was absolutely torture to watch and there was nothing the C’s could do to stop it, other than take Kemba out of the game. You double and then Duncan, Herro, Dragic, etc are getting wide open 3’s. Spolestra completely exposed the C’s defensively. Can’t go through another season of that.

The saddest part is exactly that; having to take out your max level player, cuz he dun cut it.

I love the guy. He's just not a max imo.

Agreed. Don’t get me wrong, Wall isn’t ideal, but he at least provides a different look. We know what the team looks like with Kemba and it isn’t good.

[freshinthehouse]

So just ignore that Wall still is a significantly less efficient scorer, a worse rebounder, only slightly, if slightly better defender but makes $91 million over the next two years to Kemba's $63 million, which could be only $36 million if Kemba opts out of his last year?

Hard pass on Wall.

I wouldn't say Wall is significantly less efficient.  Kemba is a career 42% shooter from the field.  Wall is at like 43%.  Kemba is better from the line, i'll give u that.  As for rebounding, most numbers point to Wall being a better rebounder.  And I would say Wall is a significantly better defender than Walker.  While i think some C's fan underrate Walkers defense, I'd say he's average at best.  Wall is capable of all-defensive team level defense. 

The money isn't quite that different.  Kemba is gonna make 73 over the next 2 years, not 63.  And sure, Kemba could opt out, but so could Wall.  So that's a wash.

[johnnygreen]

So just ignore that Wall still is a significantly less efficient scorer, a worse rebounder, only slightly, if slightly better defender but makes $91 million over the next two years to Kemba's $63 million, which could be only $36 million if Kemba opts out of his last year?

Hard pass on Wall.

I wouldn't say Wall is significantly less efficient.  Kemba is a career 42% shooter from the field.  Wall is at like 43%.  Kemba is better from the line, i'll give u that.  As for rebounding, most numbers point to Wall being a better rebounder.  And I would say Wall is a significantly better defender than Walker.  While i think some C's fan underrate Walkers defense, I'd say he's average at best.  Wall is capable of all-defensive team level defense. 

The money isn't quite that different.  Kemba is gonna make 73 over the next 2 years, not 63.  And sure, Kemba could opt out, but so could Wall.  So that's a wash.

I'll be shocked if either guy opts out. However, if one of them were to opt out, it would be whoever is on the team with no chance to win. In this case, whoever is in Houston.

[gouki88]

Nah, Wall is a worse shooter and defender than Kemba

Worse shooter, but he’s a much better passer and there’s no way he’s worse defensively. Miami’s offensive strategy against Boston was literally to just go at Kemba on every possession since he couldn’t stop anyone. And it worked... the only other C’s player I’ve seen a team do that to was IT.

I ask you like I've asked others, did you watch Wall play defence this year? Looked terrible immobile and lazy, and his advanced defensive metrics were considerably worse than Kemba's.

Might have been a by-product of playing for a bad team, but either way he was worse defensively in the 20-21 season.

[Goldstar88]

 

Nah, Wall is a worse shooter and defender than Kemba

Worse shooter, but he’s a much better passer and there’s no way he’s worse defensively. Miami’s offensive strategy against Boston was literally to just go at Kemba on every possession since he couldn’t stop anyone. And it worked... the only other C’s player I’ve seen a team do that to was IT.

I ask you like I've asked others, did you watch Wall play defence this year? Looked terrible immobile and lazy, and his advanced defensive metrics were considerably worse than Kemba's.

Might have been a by-product of playing for a bad team, but either way he was worse defensively in the 20-21 season.

I saw him play quite a bit in the beginning of the season and he didn’t look bad. To be fair he was on the worst team in the NBA, so I’m not surprised if the effort wasn’t there throughout the season.

Wall might not be a great defender, but all the C’s need is for him to be average. I’ve never seen a team go at John on every possession like Miami did with Kemba. Can’t have that.