NBA Playoffs 2021

[hpantazo]

Guess Kyrie won't be stomping on logos again anytime soon.

What goes around, comes around.

Yeah. If you stomp on logos, at least make sure it is not a leprechaun.

[hpantazo]

Hey so to anybody who has been promoting the "Curse of IT" thing ...

What's the story for the Nets?  Which cold hearted trade do we blame for their misfortune?

If a team is buried by injuries, it must be a moral failing of somebody involved, right?

I mean, you build your team around a guy over 30 coming off an achilles tear and a guy in Kyrie who's had health issues his entire career including college. He missed the playoffs several times both in Cleveland and in Boston. Then you add a guy in Harden who let himself get out of shape so he could demand a trade. You shouldn't be surprised when some of those guys get injured in the playoffs.

[tstorey_97]

Durant - 35 games
Irving - 54 games
Harden - 44 games (both teams)

Green - 68
Harris - 69
Shamet - 61
Brown - 65

I guess to bench guys had to show up for work this season.

If Harden can come back and I had a choice, I'll take him over Irving...Net's offense works nice with him on the floor.

I want the Nets to lose thus, I'm ok with how the series looks now. Three point shooting has been iffy for both teams....makes the 'defense wins champs' theory look right so far.

Durant is in a class of his own.

[Who]

Say Phoenix wins the Championship, they could end up with injury advantages of

(1) Loss of Anthony Davis to Lakers in the 1st round
(2) Loss of Jamal Murray to Nuggets in 2nd round
(3) Not sure of Conley situation for WCF
(4) Brooklyn, best of the East, possibly knocked out due to injuries to Harden and Kyrie.

Would that be the most injury-aided Championship run of All-Time?

[PhoSita]

Say Phoenix wins the Championship, they could end up with injury advantages of

(1) Loss of Anthony Davis to Lakers in the 1st round
(2) Loss of Jamal Murray to Nuggets in 2nd round
(3) Not sure of Conley situation for WCF
(4) Brooklyn, best of the East, possibly knocked out due to injuries to Harden and Kyrie.

Would that be the most injury-aided Championship run of All-Time?

Look I had to hear all last year how the Lakers title didn't have any asterisks because the bubble was this unprecedented grind.

This season was no cake walk.  COVID.  Condensed schedule.

CP3 is -- famously -- a guy who has had multiple chances at deep playoff runs derailed by injury.


And now we're already talking about a hypothetical Suns title being "aided by injuries"?


Get outta here with that.

[GreenShooter]

I said it once and I’ll say it again. Karma is a B. I. T. C. H.

[Who]

Say Phoenix wins the Championship, they could end up with injury advantages of

(1) Loss of Anthony Davis to Lakers in the 1st round
(2) Loss of Jamal Murray to Nuggets in 2nd round
(3) Not sure of Conley situation for WCF
(4) Brooklyn, best of the East, possibly knocked out due to injuries to Harden and Kyrie.

Would that be the most injury-aided Championship run of All-Time?

Look I had to hear all last year how the Lakers title didn't have any asterisks because the bubble was this unprecedented grind.

This season was no cake walk.  COVID.  Condensed schedule.

CP3 is -- famously -- a guy who has had multiple chances at deep playoff runs derailed by injury.


And now we're already talking about a hypothetical Suns title being "aided by injuries"?


Get outta here with that.

Of course we are. We always have done so. We will always will do so. It doesn't need an asterisk but it if it happens it should be said.

The Raptors only won two years ago because of the Warriors injuries to Durant and Klay.

The Pistons in 1989 won in a sweep only because Magic got hurt in game 1. Some other injuries there as well.

These things happen. It doesn't mean there is an asterisk but they do happen and they should be said.

Back to the original question, if the Suns won this year, would this be the most injury-aided title run of All-Time? Has there been a previous title winner who benefited even more (or similarly as) than this Suns team?

[SparzWizard]

Say Phoenix wins the Championship, they could end up with injury advantages of

(1) Loss of Anthony Davis to Lakers in the 1st round
(2) Loss of Jamal Murray to Nuggets in 2nd round
(3) Not sure of Conley situation for WCF
(4) Brooklyn, best of the East, possibly knocked out due to injuries to Harden and Kyrie.

Would that be the most injury-aided Championship run of All-Time?

Look I had to hear all last year how the Lakers title didn't have any asterisks because the bubble was this unprecedented grind.

This season was no cake walk.  COVID.  Condensed schedule.

CP3 is -- famously -- a guy who has had multiple chances at deep playoff runs derailed by injury.


And now we're already talking about a hypothetical Suns title being "aided by injuries"?


Get outta here with that.

Of course we are. We always have done so. We will always will do so. It doesn't need an asterisk but it if it happens it should be said.

The Raptors only won two years ago because of the Warriors injuries to Durant and Klay.

The Pistons in 1989 won in a sweep only because Magic got hurt in game 1. Some other injuries there as well.

These things happen. It doesn't mean there is an asterisk but they do happen and they should be said.

Back to the original question, if the Suns won this year, would this be the most injury-aided title run of All-Time? Has there been a previous title winner who benefited even more (or similarly as) than this Suns team?

The Celtics won 2008 because Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza were injured I guess

[gouki88]

Nice to see KD getting roughed up by the Bucks. C’s played him so soft...

Cs are soft, period.

Starts with the ex-coach.

Come back for a bit and see people saying the Celitcs are soft despite the fact that they've probably played Brooklyn tougher than the Bucks did before Kyrie went down. Never change Celitcsblog.

No they didn’t play the nets tougher. You are wrong if you think they did.

Yeah they did but of course this is Celticsblog where hating their own team is normal.

Exactly...injuries are real for other teams, but an excuse for the C’s. The team battled the Nets despite their limitations. Playing late in last year’s playoffs didn’t help at all

The Cs were horrible..ownership admitted as much by blowing up the front office. Stop arguing the point that has been admitted by the team. That argument was settled when the team moved on from the GM and the Coach.

They blew up what? Danny retired and Brad is now GM. Did they fire the whole front office and coaching staff?

Ignore him, he'll just accuse you of being in denial.

Wrong. I agree with both of you. It’s all good in Boston..stay the course, no changes required. We agree. Celtics rock!

What is the point of all this antagonism?

[CelticsWhat35]

Say Phoenix wins the Championship, they could end up with injury advantages of

(1) Loss of Anthony Davis to Lakers in the 1st round
(2) Loss of Jamal Murray to Nuggets in 2nd round
(3) Not sure of Conley situation for WCF
(4) Brooklyn, best of the East, possibly knocked out due to injuries to Harden and Kyrie.

Would that be the most injury-aided Championship run of All-Time?

Look I had to hear all last year how the Lakers title didn't have any asterisks because the bubble was this unprecedented grind.

This season was no cake walk.  COVID.  Condensed schedule.

CP3 is -- famously -- a guy who has had multiple chances at deep playoff runs derailed by injury.


And now we're already talking about a hypothetical Suns title being "aided by injuries"?


Get outta here with that.

Of course we are. We always have done so. We will always will do so. It doesn't need an asterisk but it if it happens it should be said.

The Raptors only won two years ago because of the Warriors injuries to Durant and Klay.

The Pistons in 1989 won in a sweep only because Magic got hurt in game 1. Some other injuries there as well.

These things happen. It doesn't mean there is an asterisk but they do happen and they should be said.

Back to the original question, if the Suns won this year, would this be the most injury-aided title run of All-Time? Has there been a previous title winner who benefited even more (or similarly as) than this Suns team?

The Celtics won 2008 because Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza were injured I guess

Seriously???  That’s what you come up with in this exercise?  Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza?  How about Kevin McHale playing on a broken foot in 87?  How about probably any other year in the history of the NBA that I’m sure had more significant injuries than Andrew bleeping Bynum

[Celtics2021]

Say Phoenix wins the Championship, they could end up with injury advantages of

(1) Loss of Anthony Davis to Lakers in the 1st round
(2) Loss of Jamal Murray to Nuggets in 2nd round
(3) Not sure of Conley situation for WCF
(4) Brooklyn, best of the East, possibly knocked out due to injuries to Harden and Kyrie.

Would that be the most injury-aided Championship run of All-Time?

Look I had to hear all last year how the Lakers title didn't have any asterisks because the bubble was this unprecedented grind.

This season was no cake walk.  COVID.  Condensed schedule.

CP3 is -- famously -- a guy who has had multiple chances at deep playoff runs derailed by injury.


And now we're already talking about a hypothetical Suns title being "aided by injuries"?


Get outta here with that.

Of course we are. We always have done so. We will always will do so. It doesn't need an asterisk but it if it happens it should be said.

The Raptors only won two years ago because of the Warriors injuries to Durant and Klay.

The Pistons in 1989 won in a sweep only because Magic got hurt in game 1. Some other injuries there as well.

These things happen. It doesn't mean there is an asterisk but they do happen and they should be said.

Back to the original question, if the Suns won this year, would this be the most injury-aided title run of All-Time? Has there been a previous title winner who benefited even more (or similarly as) than this Suns team?

The Celtics won 2008 because Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza were injured I guess

Seriously???  That’s what you come up with in this exercise?  Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza?  How about Kevin McHale playing on a broken foot in 87?  How about probably any other year in the history of the NBA that I’m sure had more significant injuries than Andrew bleeping Bynum

I was reading that as a bit of reductio ad absurdem myself.

[PhoSita]

The injuries this year aren't exactly freak accidents.

Kyrie and harden have a history of injuries affecting their playoff availability.

Lebron is 36 and has played 18 seasons.

AD has been injury prone.

Conley  has had his fair share of injuries and is a guard past age 30 with plenty of wear and tear.

Embiid has been prone to lower extremity injuries since before he came into the league.


If the Suns do win in this context, you can say they will be lucky if Chris Paul's own injury history didn't catch up with him and affect their run.

But it's not like all of those other teams were constructed in a way that should have made them impervious to fairly predictable injuries. Especially in a shortened season that all teams had to go through.


I think history will look back at this season and last season as anomalous because of the odd circumstances due to COVID.  That will also affect how both titles are viewed.

But it shouldn't be that way specifically due to a team like the Suns winning, if that happens. It should be viewed that way regardless of who wins because it's the truth.

[Ogaju]

Say Phoenix wins the Championship, they could end up with injury advantages of

(1) Loss of Anthony Davis to Lakers in the 1st round
(2) Loss of Jamal Murray to Nuggets in 2nd round
(3) Not sure of Conley situation for WCF
(4) Brooklyn, best of the East, possibly knocked out due to injuries to Harden and Kyrie.

Would that be the most injury-aided Championship run of All-Time?

Look I had to hear all last year how the Lakers title didn't have any asterisks because the bubble was this unprecedented grind.

This season was no cake walk.  COVID.  Condensed schedule.

CP3 is -- famously -- a guy who has had multiple chances at deep playoff runs derailed by injury.


And now we're already talking about a hypothetical Suns title being "aided by injuries"?


Get outta here with that.

You just don’t like facts, eh? A facts do not disappear because you don’t like them. The endurance and durability issue is why I believe the NBA should have two championships. The league championship for the regular season team with most wins, and the playoffs for the team that wins the playoffs. Injuries are part of the game. I am not lobbying for asterisks but I will not ignore the impact of injuries on competitive advantages.

[Ogaju]

Say Phoenix wins the Championship, they could end up with injury advantages of

(1) Loss of Anthony Davis to Lakers in the 1st round
(2) Loss of Jamal Murray to Nuggets in 2nd round
(3) Not sure of Conley situation for WCF
(4) Brooklyn, best of the East, possibly knocked out due to injuries to Harden and Kyrie.

Would that be the most injury-aided Championship run of All-Time?

Look I had to hear all last year how the Lakers title didn't have any asterisks because the bubble was this unprecedented grind.

This season was no cake walk.  COVID.  Condensed schedule.

CP3 is -- famously -- a guy who has had multiple chances at deep playoff runs derailed by injury.


And now we're already talking about a hypothetical Suns title being "aided by injuries"?


Get outta here with that.

Of course we are. We always have done so. We will always will do so. It doesn't need an asterisk but it if it happens it should be said.

The Raptors only won two years ago because of the Warriors injuries to Durant and Klay.

The Pistons in 1989 won in a sweep only because Magic got hurt in game 1. Some other injuries there as well.

These things happen. It doesn't mean there is an asterisk but they do happen and they should be said.

Back to the original question, if the Suns won this year, would this be the most injury-aided title run of All-Time? Has there been a previous title winner who benefited even more (or similarly as) than this Suns team?

This!

As to your question, the answer is probably. You have to measure the players that got injured on both teams and when they got injured. Don’t forget Chris Paul has been injured too.

[Ogaju]

Say Phoenix wins the Championship, they could end up with injury advantages of

(1) Loss of Anthony Davis to Lakers in the 1st round
(2) Loss of Jamal Murray to Nuggets in 2nd round
(3) Not sure of Conley situation for WCF
(4) Brooklyn, best of the East, possibly knocked out due to injuries to Harden and Kyrie.

Would that be the most injury-aided Championship run of All-Time?

Look I had to hear all last year how the Lakers title didn't have any asterisks because the bubble was this unprecedented grind.

This season was no cake walk.  COVID.  Condensed schedule.

CP3 is -- famously -- a guy who has had multiple chances at deep playoff runs derailed by injury.


And now we're already talking about a hypothetical Suns title being "aided by injuries"?


Get outta here with that.

Of course we are. We always have done so. We will always will do so. It doesn't need an asterisk but it if it happens it should be said.

The Raptors only won two years ago because of the Warriors injuries to Durant and Klay.

The Pistons in 1989 won in a sweep only because Magic got hurt in game 1. Some other injuries there as well.

These things happen. It doesn't mean there is an asterisk but they do happen and they should be said.

Back to the original question, if the Suns won this year, would this be the most injury-aided title run of All-Time? Has there been a previous title winner who benefited even more (or similarly as) than this Suns team?

The Celtics won 2008 because Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza were injured I guess

Bynum’s injury did affect the Lakers. It’s okay though. Lakers won a couple because McHale and Parish were injured.