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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1755 on: June 13, 2021, 09:43:46 PM »

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mvp ejected? lebron wouldnt have gotten ejected for that

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1756 on: June 13, 2021, 09:44:59 PM »

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Horrible call. NBA refs are such losers, lol.
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« Reply #1757 on: June 13, 2021, 09:46:51 PM »

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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1758 on: June 13, 2021, 09:52:34 PM »

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I’ve seen so many more dangerous plays that didn't result in an ejection... That might be the worst call of the year.
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« Reply #1759 on: June 13, 2021, 10:16:07 PM »

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and the follow through....what exactly does that mean?...like he could have held up right after he hit the ball...Lame.
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1760 on: June 13, 2021, 10:16:26 PM »

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The Suns were the 4th ranked offense this season and the 9th ranked defense.

They're one of just three teams to make the playoffs with a top 10 offense and top 10 defense (others are Milwaukee and Utah).

In the post-season so far, Phoenix has the 2nd best defensive efficiency and are ranked 7th in offensive efficiency.


I think if you want to seriously look at the question of "Which title winner was most aided by an injury?" you have to look for a team that did not play at a contending level in the regular season, and that in the post-season did not seem to actually play especially well, but made it through thanks to some timely injuries.

The top choice would be a team that looked like it was actually going to lose the title series until the opponent's best player (or second best player, perhaps) suffered an injury.  You need a title matchup where it's very hard to argue that the team that won would have won even if not for injuries to the opponent. 


I'm not sure which team off the top of my head fits the above description, but so far the Suns don't fit the bill.  The Suns are playing well enough that it's entirely plausible that they could win it all even if some of the other contenders weren't dealing with so many key injuries.

Unfortunately, they’re playing hurt teams so we won’t know. Anyway, Jazz/Clips might beat them.


The point is that we have ample evidence that the Suns are a very good team.  It seems reasonable that even if they weren't facing "hurt teams," that they would be very competitive.

Hence I don't it's fair to suggest that they're being historically aided by injuries.  The Lakers were a worse team this year than the Suns.  Same with the Nuggets.

I'm with ya Pho.

Regardless, feel free to call it "the most injury aided". Fact of the matter is, if the Suns win - the no.2 of the regular season won. So statistically it's really not that much of a stretch to argue they were the best this year. Best ability, availability. End.



Not to mention that it would likely mean that they defeated:

- Lebron
- MVP Jokic
- Either Kawhi or DPOY + 6MOY
- Either Embiid or Giannis

Not exactly easy pickings
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« Reply #1761 on: June 13, 2021, 10:16:46 PM »

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Aaron Gordon has been pretty terrible in the playoffs this year.
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« Reply #1762 on: June 13, 2021, 10:27:14 PM »

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« Reply #1763 on: June 13, 2021, 10:28:06 PM »

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Suns will probably win this, but after that ejection I had to start rooting for the Nuggets.

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« Reply #1764 on: June 13, 2021, 10:30:17 PM »

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that should be a clear path foul...

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« Reply #1765 on: June 13, 2021, 10:30:23 PM »

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I’ve seen so many more dangerous plays that didn't result in an ejection... That might be the worst call of the year.

If that was LeBron being the instigator, just a technical foul would suffice. No need for flagrant. Heck a common foul would be enough.


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« Reply #1766 on: June 13, 2021, 10:30:27 PM »

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The Suns were the 4th ranked offense this season and the 9th ranked defense.

They're one of just three teams to make the playoffs with a top 10 offense and top 10 defense (others are Milwaukee and Utah).

In the post-season so far, Phoenix has the 2nd best defensive efficiency and are ranked 7th in offensive efficiency.


I think if you want to seriously look at the question of "Which title winner was most aided by an injury?" you have to look for a team that did not play at a contending level in the regular season, and that in the post-season did not seem to actually play especially well, but made it through thanks to some timely injuries.

The top choice would be a team that looked like it was actually going to lose the title series until the opponent's best player (or second best player, perhaps) suffered an injury.  You need a title matchup where it's very hard to argue that the team that won would have won even if not for injuries to the opponent. 


I'm not sure which team off the top of my head fits the above description, but so far the Suns don't fit the bill.  The Suns are playing well enough that it's entirely plausible that they could win it all even if some of the other contenders weren't dealing with so many key injuries.

Unfortunately, they’re playing hurt teams so we won’t know. Anyway, Jazz/Clips might beat them.


The point is that we have ample evidence that the Suns are a very good team.  It seems reasonable that even if they weren't facing "hurt teams," that they would be very competitive.

Hence I don't it's fair to suggest that they're being historically aided by injuries.  The Lakers were a worse team this year than the Suns.  Same with the Nuggets.

I'm with ya Pho.

Regardless, feel free to call it "the most injury aided". Fact of the matter is, if the Suns win - the no.2 of the regular season won. So statistically it's really not that much of a stretch to argue they were the best this year. Best ability, availability. End.



Not to mention that it would likely mean that they defeated:

- Lebron
- MVP Jokic
- Either Kawhi or DPOY + 6MOY
- Either Embiid or Giannis

Not exactly easy pickings

I mean it doesn't help that Davis was hurt in the first round and as I recall even if the Lakers were worse than last year, they still pushed the Suns until Davis got hurt and the Lakers couldn't respond. Also Murray was out for the year. Sometimes you're really fortunate with other team's misfortune and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.

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« Reply #1767 on: June 13, 2021, 10:30:52 PM »

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They're the bandwagon LA fans lol. Phoenix and Los Angeles aren't too far away from each other!


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« Reply #1768 on: June 13, 2021, 10:32:03 PM »

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The Suns were the 4th ranked offense this season and the 9th ranked defense.

They're one of just three teams to make the playoffs with a top 10 offense and top 10 defense (others are Milwaukee and Utah).

In the post-season so far, Phoenix has the 2nd best defensive efficiency and are ranked 7th in offensive efficiency.


I think if you want to seriously look at the question of "Which title winner was most aided by an injury?" you have to look for a team that did not play at a contending level in the regular season, and that in the post-season did not seem to actually play especially well, but made it through thanks to some timely injuries.

The top choice would be a team that looked like it was actually going to lose the title series until the opponent's best player (or second best player, perhaps) suffered an injury.  You need a title matchup where it's very hard to argue that the team that won would have won even if not for injuries to the opponent. 


I'm not sure which team off the top of my head fits the above description, but so far the Suns don't fit the bill.  The Suns are playing well enough that it's entirely plausible that they could win it all even if some of the other contenders weren't dealing with so many key injuries.

Unfortunately, they’re playing hurt teams so we won’t know. Anyway, Jazz/Clips might beat them.


The point is that we have ample evidence that the Suns are a very good team.  It seems reasonable that even if they weren't facing "hurt teams," that they would be very competitive.

Hence I don't it's fair to suggest that they're being historically aided by injuries.  The Lakers were a worse team this year than the Suns.  Same with the Nuggets.

I'm with ya Pho.

Regardless, feel free to call it "the most injury aided". Fact of the matter is, if the Suns win - the no.2 of the regular season won. So statistically it's really not that much of a stretch to argue they were the best this year. Best ability, availability. End.



Not to mention that it would likely mean that they defeated:

- Lebron
- MVP Jokic
- Either Kawhi or DPOY + 6MOY
- Either Embiid or Giannis

Not exactly easy pickings

They're not beating the Clippers. Clippers and Kawhi will cream the Suns.


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« Reply #1769 on: June 13, 2021, 10:38:32 PM »

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