Was Going and getting Parker and then not playing him a white flag.

[Csfan1984]

@ Vermont Green, having to move Theis was that if C's are in playoffs they were going to be bonuses and it would put them into the tax. So by moving Theis they made enough room. Irony now is, C's might get bounced in the play in. Penny pinching may have costed them a lot more than they were seeking to save.

Yeah, I guess I get that but it is still really unfortunate.  I am sure they tried other things but Carsen Edwards and a second to someone and not taking back Kornet and Wagner probably gets them there too.

I think by trading Theis, it was a concession by ownership that they were not committed to this season.  I understand staying under the tax was important but I think this was the wrong message and this message was not lost on the players.  The team has played bad ever since.  You can say, you are pros, making millions, suck it up and play, but there is no doubt to me that something changed with the team.  To me, it was Theis, both in terms of what he did on the court (which we miss) and the message it seemed to send to the players (and maybe also the coach).

Not sure if this helps or hurts but DA said he also traded Theis to open up playing time for TL. IMO if Theis was here BS would never have given TL the chance he got once Theis was gone. Sometimes you have to trade decent vet players away for coaches to play young guys.

[tonydelk]

@ Vermont Green, having to move Theis was that if C's are in playoffs they were going to be bonuses and it would put them into the tax. So by moving Theis they made enough room. Irony now is, C's might get bounced in the play in. Penny pinching may have costed them a lot more than they were seeking to save.

Yeah, I guess I get that but it is still really unfortunate.  I am sure they tried other things but Carsen Edwards and a second to someone and not taking back Kornet and Wagner probably gets them there too.

I think by trading Theis, it was a concession by ownership that they were not committed to this season.  I understand staying under the tax was important but I think this was the wrong message and this message was not lost on the players.  The team has played bad ever since.  You can say, you are pros, making millions, suck it up and play, but there is no doubt to me that something changed with the team.  To me, it was Theis, both in terms of what he did on the court (which we miss) and the message it seemed to send to the players (and maybe also the coach).

Not sure if this helps or hurts but DA said he also traded Theis to open up playing time for TL. IMO if Theis was here BS would never have given TL the chance he got once Theis was gone. Sometimes you have to trade decent vet players away for coaches to play young guys.

excited.

Plus the cs were not resigning their off-season.  Theis was not winning them a championship so moving him for tax reasons was needed for future years.  Theis is a fan favorite for good reason but even if he was still on the team the cs still lose those games. 

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I’m baffled as well
 
He played a bunch in his first games here - even though at that point he hadn’t played anywhere in months. And he looked good! He was having a positive impact.

Then poof! He disappeared.

No idea.
Very frustrating.

Pretty much my view as well.

[PhoSita]

I think there's a reason Parker has barely been in the league for the last two years and was available to sign for very little money late in the season.  I don't think it warrants much consternation or ruminating beyond that. 

He's a limited player.  This team stinks on defense and Parker was only going to make things worse on that end.  We know that the biggest thing that Brad seems to look at when considering who to play is which guys he can trust to execute on defense.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

"Not knowing the plays" doesn't seem like valid reasoning to me, given the fact that he (obviously) didn't know any of the plays his first few days with the team yet played a decent amount in those first few games and made nice contributions with his scoring and rebounding. The Cs couldn't crack 100 points the other night, so why does Brad not use the "instant offense" option that he has on his bench?

[Rikibellevie]

I don't understand it also. OK defense is our big problem and he is one of the baddest defensorat his post, but I don't see how we could be worst, and we lack so much of punch and experience from the bench.

They were many of this strange things this year; like when we had this horrible serie and Brad keeped Nesmith on the bench, like the Carsen sudden decision, like the Waters over Pritchard titularisation... It is a part of the mess of this team. A big turnover and coaching tests when we s...., close from PO, not sure about that

[liam]

I think there's a reason Parker has barely been in the league for the last two years and was available to sign for very little money late in the season.  I don't think it warrants much consternation or ruminating beyond that. 

He's a limited player.  This team stinks on defense and Parker was only going to make things worse on that end.  We know that the biggest thing that Brad seems to look at when considering who to play is which guys he can trust to execute on defense.

Why sign him then? Why not just keep Wagner?

[Alec14]

Parker is better than Semi, Carson, Romeo, Grant, Luke and he is not playing! Something not right

Didnt Brad say on a presser recently, that he doeent know the plays yet

Wait, there's a play other than 'give the ball to Tatum and go stand in the corner'?

[liam]

Parker is better than Semi, Carson, Romeo, Grant, Luke and he is not playing! Something not right

Didnt Brad say on a presser recently, that he doeent know the plays yet

Wait, there's a play other than 'give the ball to Tatum and go stand in the corner'?

There's also one where you give Kemba the ball and go stand in the corner, the one where Smart jacks up a 3 with 16 minutes on the shot clock with no passes and they're working on one where you give Fournier the ball and go stand in the corner. Parker can't learn those three or four plays? The defense is scrabbling around until the other team gets an open shot. I'm sure he can pick that up on the fly.

[cons]

Parker is better than Semi, Carson, Romeo, Grant, Luke and he is not playing! Something not right

Didnt Brad say on a presser recently, that he doeent know the plays yet

Wait, there's a play other than 'give the ball to Tatum and go stand in the corner'?

There's also one where you give Kemba the ball and go stand in the corner, the one where Smart jacks up a 3 with 16 minutes on the shot clock with no passes and they're working on one where you give Fournier the ball and go stand in the corner. Parker can't learn those three or four plays? The defense is scrabbling around until the other team gets an open shot. I'm sure he can pick that up on the fly.

haha
my favorite is the one where Smart jacks up the early 3

but really any play where they jack up a long 3 with like 18 seconds or more on the shot clock is really totally awesome in my book.
such easy plays to learn thumbs up!!

[nickagneta]

When a coach like Brad Stevens, who is notorious for supporting his players individually when they aren't playing well and almost never throws any player under the bus, comes out and says Jabari Parker isn't playing because he doesn't know the sets and plays, I gotta think there is more to it than just not knowing the plays.

If Parker simply wasn't learning the plays fast enough, Stevens would probably do what he always does and deflect the question and not play the player until he is showing he is learning the playbook.

But Stevens didn't do that. He let it be known publicly that Parker isn't getting it(learning the sets and schemes). I think maybe there is something more there. Something that Brad isn't saying. I'm sure we will know more if Parker isn't on the roster come training camp.

[Celtics2021]

When a coach like Brad Stevens, who is notorious for supporting his players individually when they aren't playing well and almost never throws any player under the bus, comes out and says Jabari Parker isn't playing because he doesn't know the sets and plays, I gotta think there is more to it than just not knowing the plays.

If Parker simply wasn't learning the plays fast enough, Stevens would probably do what he always does and deflect the question and not play the player until he is showing he is learning the playbook.

But Stevens didn't do that. He let it be known publicly that Parker isn't getting it(learning the sets and schemes). I think maybe there is something more there. Something that Brad isn't saying. I'm sure we will know more if Parker isn't on the roster come training camp.

I’d be very surprised if Parker is released before training camp.  It only costs $100k if he’s cut before opening night.

[PhoSita]

I think there's a reason Parker has barely been in the league for the last two years and was available to sign for very little money late in the season.  I don't think it warrants much consternation or ruminating beyond that. 

He's a limited player.  This team stinks on defense and Parker was only going to make things worse on that end.  We know that the biggest thing that Brad seems to look at when considering who to play is which guys he can trust to execute on defense.

Why sign him then? Why not just keep Wagner?

I mean, Wagner is even worse at defense.  So that's probably why.

[blink]

Parker is better than Semi, Carson, Romeo, Grant, Luke and he is not playing! Something not right

Didnt Brad say on a presser recently, that he doeent know the plays yet

Wait, we have plays?  no way.

[blink]

@ Vermont Green, having to move Theis was that if C's are in playoffs they were going to be bonuses and it would put them into the tax. So by moving Theis they made enough room. Irony now is, C's might get bounced in the play in. Penny pinching may have costed them a lot more than they were seeking to save.

Yeah, I guess I get that but it is still really unfortunate.  I am sure they tried other things but Carsen Edwards and a second to someone and not taking back Kornet and Wagner probably gets them there too.

I think by trading Theis, it was a concession by ownership that they were not committed to this season.  I understand staying under the tax was important but I think this was the wrong message and this message was not lost on the players.  The team has played bad ever since.  You can say, you are pros, making millions, suck it up and play, but there is no doubt to me that something changed with the team.  To me, it was Theis, both in terms of what he did on the court (which we miss) and the message it seemed to send to the players (and maybe also the coach).

Not sure if this helps or hurts but DA said he also traded Theis to open up playing time for TL. IMO if Theis was here BS would never have given TL the chance he got once Theis was gone. Sometimes you have to trade decent vet players away for coaches to play young guys.

excited.

Plus the cs were not resigning their off-season.  Theis was not winning them a championship so moving him for tax reasons was needed for future years.  Theis is a fan favorite for good reason but even if he was still on the team the cs still lose those games.

It is true that Theis doesn't probably put us over the top in those games we needed to win.  My whole beef with letting Theis go is that he is better than Thompson.  He is good help defender, knew the def scheme, PLUS he wasn't a complete liability on offense.  Thompson is a decent defender, and is good at rebounding, but that is about it.   For the way Brad wants to play, Theis is a better fit than Thompson, and is a better overall player.  So we dump the guy who is better because we are worried we can't resign him because of money.  Since I am not in the room, I don't know that there were other options, but it seems like there might have been better options / deals that could have been made. 

I am just not a TT fan, I think he was an experiment that everyone should have known wouldn't work.  But I guess is a trade asset now.  But I think it was a mistake signing him.  We knew Timelord was a health risk, if we wanted to give him more minutes we could have taken them from other players + Theis, but still keep Theis.