Danny likes to draft bigs with Large backsides

[gouki88]

I think he should draft broad shouldered, narrow waist with longer legs than torso types.   This is the best prototype for leaping and NBA players.   The best athletes in the NBA have this profile over the course of the league.

Longer legs provide higher lever arm ratios for the muscles powering a jump, allowing them to generate high centre of mass velocities while maintaining a low strain-rate and thus increasing the amount of energy in the jump (Alexander, 1995).

Rob, Dr. J,  Jordan, Dominique all had this profile.

Even little guys who can jump often have this build.

As have a near-infinite number of failed NBA players

[nickagneta]

When you decide to limit your draft selections based on body type, you do yourself a massive disservice.

You could end up missing on a Charles Barkley, Calvin Murphy, Isaiah Thomas, Marc Gasol, Nikola Jokic, PJ Tucker, Ben Wallace, etc.

[KG Living Legend]

 If your going to draft a 6'5" PF like Grant Williams.  He better be special in other areas. Grant Williams had a 32 inch vertical at combine.  32 inches. That is pathetic.

 Would anyone here draft a 6'5" PF with a pathetic vertical and be surprised he can't score inside in the NBA?

[Ogaju]

 If your going to draft a 6'5" PF like Grant Williams.  He better be special in other areas. Grant Williams had a 32 inch vertical at combine.  32 inches. That is pathetic.

 Would anyone here draft a 6'5" PF with a pathetic vertical and be surprised he can't score inside in the NBA?

He was accepted to Harvard how do you pass on that?

[Goldstar88]

 If your going to draft a 6'5" PF like Grant Williams.  He better be special in other areas. Grant Williams had a 32 inch vertical at combine.  32 inches. That is pathetic.

 Would anyone here draft a 6'5" PF with a pathetic vertical and be surprised he can't score inside in the NBA?

Danny loves his undersized “scrappy”  players.

[gouki88]

 If your going to draft a 6'5" PF like Grant Williams.  He better be special in other areas. Grant Williams had a 32 inch vertical at combine.  32 inches. That is pathetic.

 Would anyone here draft a 6'5" PF with a pathetic vertical and be surprised he can't score inside in the NBA?

Here's an inside scoop: there's more to player analysis than height and vertical jump

[Celtics4ever]

Here's an inside scoop: there's more to player analysis than height and vertical jump

I never said there was not.   I professed a preference for certain traits.

Anthropometry  is  the scientific study of the measurements and proportions of the human body.  Tests of anthropometry include measurements of body size, structure, and composition. There is a wide range of ideal body shapes and compositions, depending on the sports, the playing position and the fitness level. Tall players usually come with large hands and a long reach too.

There are reasons, teams measure these traits.  This is why they say prototypical tight end or this or that.   Is it the end all, nope and players can do well outside the norm.    But Grant isn't one of those guys given his metric and athletic ability so far.

The G league is filled with prototype NBA bodies. P

Thank you for making my point, the minor league of professional sports is full of those guys.   So is the NBA.   This ought to tell you something that this body type does well at basketball.   The YMCA is full of guys who are not and so are the majority of guys who never play past grade school.  Are there guys outside it that do well, yep.   But it is beyond ridicule to pretend that Grant is doing well with his stats.

If your going to draft a 6'5" PF like Grant Williams.  He better be special in other areas. Grant Williams had a 32 inch vertical at combine.  32 inches. That is pathetic.

Even worse his  standing vertical was 26"  which is below NBA average.  This is the kind of jumping on jumpers, to block shots and rebound where you don't always get a running leap.

Standing Vertical Leap – 26.0 inches

https://www.rockytopinsider.com/2019/05/20/how-vol-players-performed-at-2019-nba-draft-combine/

Agree well said, the mix of below average vertical and size is not optimal.

The average NBA standing vertical leap is 28" (71 cm).

https://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vertical-jump.htm

So as said above, not is he short for his position but his leaping is well below average for the positions.  His wingspan is greater than this body by 3" and his standing reach is nothing great at 8'8.5" for his height but not good for his position.

You could end up missing on a Charles Barkley, Calvin Murphy, Isaiah Thomas, Marc Gasol, Nikola Jokic, PJ Tucker, Ben Wallace, etc.

Not really, in fact, here are some pics.



Charles Barkley has broad shoulder, narrow wast than shoulders, longer than torso legs check.



Isaiah Thomas has broad shoulder, narrow wast than shoulders, longer than torso , even thought he is shorter  check

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/07/76/35/18868037/3/rawImage.jpg

PJ Tucker has broad shoulder, narrow wast than shoulders, longer than torso

The V shaped body with longer legs and shorter torso is the NBA prototype.   This is true of Ben Wallace too, look at pictures folks.

So guys can be muscular and this type.   But longer legs is longer levers for leaping and longer limbs for various aspects of sports like reach and wingspan.   I never said a guy had to be tall to be this type. as Gouki88 insinuates,  what I am saying this there are biomechanical advantages to this body type for run and jump sports.   Just as short limbed guys can lift easier on certain lifts.

They take these measurements at the combine for a reason folks.   They can cause guys to rise and fall in stock in the draft.  How many times have we heard T-rex arms etc.   There are guys outside this norm that succeed.   But there are far more guys who do succeed with this body type than Pear shaped guys with large backsides which is what the OP was about.

[KG Living Legend]

 TP for analysis  C4E. Maybe Danny should fire the brain doctor, and hire you.

[Roy H.]

Bring him out of retirement, Danny.

[TDurden]

Yes Danny is terrible at drafting NBA PF's and centers...

BUT he's drafted at least 5 guys who could've played tackle for the Patriots.

Let's not act like he can't identify professional athletes.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Call me big Danny the way you back that thang up
Grant what is you doin’ man? Box yo man out

[BitterJim]

It's almost like all players/prospects have pros and cons, and those pros and cons are weighed differently by different teams.

If you find that, on average, late picks (aka middling-to-poor prospects) are generally better players when they have NBA level skills (but not size) than players that have NBA level size (but not skill), then you should be taking guys with skills over guys with size.

Take the ideal big man prospect, and realize that they don't exist, especially not late in the draft. Now take away some of their strengths, and depending on what you take away you'll change how effective the player is. In Danny's opinion, guys that still have some of the skills and work ethic of that ideal prospect but not the size have been more effective than guys with the size and athleticism but not the skills or work ethic. Danny isn't picking shorter players because he hates height, he just considers a lack of height less of a detriment than you (and teams in general) do. Danny would jump all over someone with Grant's skills and work ethic and an extra 6 inches in height, but that player would never last ti where we were picking.

There's a lot of things that going into choosing a prospect, and trying to distill it down to Danny liking short players/disliking tall players is just lazy.

[Roy H.]

By the way, the only appropriate response to this thread was...

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[tenn_smoothie]

The G league is filled with prototype NBA bodies. Player body types are secondary in the scouting process.

From the average Celtics draft position in the mid-late 1st it’s a crap shoot, Danny seems to prefer physically strong, high BBIQ bigs, and if they tend to have large backsides so be it.

 Here is what your missing tho..Randle is 6'7" and had an almost 40" vertical at the combine. Also tremendous handles and vision for a big.

 Jokic is 7 feet with world class skill and vision. Embiid is 7 feet and, flat out a freak of nature. So these are not good examples.

Pure fantasy, but think of this Celtics team with Randle at 4 and Chris Paul running the show.