Derek Chauvin Trial

[Roy H.]

half-chewed speedball pill in patrol car with George Floyd's DNA on it.

The evidence is beginning to suggest that Floyd ingested a lethal dose of drugs as police were making contact with him.

Is that why they applied pressure to his neck for four minutes after he passed out?  Is it why they never checked his pulse or breathing, as their first responder duties require?

[Donoghus]

half-chewed speedball pill in patrol car with George Floyd's DNA on it.

The evidence is beginning to suggest that Floyd ingested a lethal dose of drugs as police were making contact with him.

Is that why they applied pressure to his neck for four minutes after he passed out?  Is it why they never checked his pulse or breathing, as their first responder duties require?

If he was OD'ing is it standard practice to continue to keep pressure on his neck?

[Donoghus]

half-chewed speedball pill in patrol car with George Floyd's DNA on it.

The evidence is beginning to suggest that Floyd ingested a lethal dose of drugs as police were making contact with him.

You do realize your old username isn't banned, right?

[fmbl24]

half-chewed speedball pill in patrol car with George Floyd's DNA on it.

The evidence is beginning to suggest that Floyd ingested a lethal dose of drugs as police were making contact with him.

You do realize your old username isn't banned, right?

How do I log back into it? I’ve tried everything.

[fmbl24]

half-chewed speedball pill in patrol car with George Floyd's DNA on it.

The evidence is beginning to suggest that Floyd ingested a lethal dose of drugs as police were making contact with him.

Is that why they applied pressure to his neck for four minutes after he passed out?  Is it why they never checked his pulse or breathing, as their first responder duties require?

Like I said that’s my problem with what transpired. But we have to keep in mind, this is the height of the covid panic, Floyd stated to officers that he had the virus. Could that have had something to do with my they were waiting for EMS? Perhaps they had more adequate PPE?

It is inconceivable to me that they didn’t transition over to act as first responders, so I’m trying to consider the full scope of the situation.

[fmbl24]

If someone could help me get back into my old username I would appreciate it

[indeedproceed]

half-chewed speedball pill in patrol car with George Floyd's DNA on it.

The evidence is beginning to suggest that Floyd ingested a lethal dose of drugs as police were making contact with him.

My understanding is that nobody on the stand is saying there was anywhere near lethal doses found in those pills.

[Erik]

There doesn’t have to be. The lethal amount was found in his system. He just had another pill in the car. He also had COVID. He also tried every excuse there is to avoid being arrested. This gives Chauvin the defense “how was I supposed to believe him not being able to breathe due to panic attack, OD, heart attack, whatever was happening, when he was evading arrest from the start.” Remember the official cause of death was cardiac arrest, not asphyxiation. He also said he couldn’t breathe well before the neck restraint.

This isn’t open and shut. There is a serious chance he walks.

[Roy H.]

This gives Chauvin the defense “how was I supposed to believe him not being able to breathe due to panic attack, OD, heart attack, whatever was happening, when he was evading arrest from the start.”

To answer:  by looking down to where his knee was.  If the man pinned underneath him was unconscious and not breathing, it should have been a clear indication of actual distress.

[Moranis]

This gives Chauvin the defense “how was I supposed to believe him not being able to breathe due to panic attack, OD, heart attack, whatever was happening, when he was evading arrest from the start.”

To answer:  by looking down to where his knee was.  If the man pinned underneath him was unconscious and not breathing, it should have been a clear indication of actual distress.

yep.  pretty clearly a case of manslaughter if not straight up homicide.  There is no excuse to continue that position.  There is no excuse to not provide medical treatment when he was in clear medical distress.   

[gouki88]

There doesn’t have to be. The lethal amount was found in his system. He just had another pill in the car. He also had COVID. He also tried every excuse there is to avoid being arrested. This gives Chauvin the defense “how was I supposed to believe him not being able to breathe due to panic attack, OD, heart attack, whatever was happening, when he was evading arrest from the start.” Remember the official cause of death was cardiac arrest, not asphyxiation. He also said he couldn’t breathe well before the neck restraint.

This isn’t open and shut. There is a serious chance he walks.

Only in the legal system of a failed state

[Erik]

Doesn't a manslaughter or homicide ruling require proof that he killed GF beyond a reasonable doubt ?

Are you all 100% convinced that he killed Floyd and it wasn't a heart attack due to OD, excitement of arrest, previous heart conditions (when the cause of death wasn't asphyxiation), or is he just a bad cop, bad first responder, bad human being, etc?

And then how do they prove it?

[kraidstar]

Doesn't a manslaughter or homicide ruling require proof that he killed GF beyond a reasonable doubt ?

Are you all 100% convinced that he killed Floyd and it wasn't a heart attack due to OD, excitement of arrest, previous heart conditions (when the cause of death wasn't asphyxiation), or is he just a bad cop, bad first responder, bad human being, etc?

And then how do they prove it?

That's like pushing someone off a cliff then saying they had a heart attack on the way down, or that they were leaning towards the ledge and might have fallen anyways.

Kneeling on someone's neck while they are prone and handcuffed - and basically helpless - is a form of execution.

[tazzmaniac]

There doesn’t have to be. The lethal amount was found in his system. He just had another pill in the car. He also had COVID. He also tried every excuse there is to avoid being arrested. This gives Chauvin the defense “how was I supposed to believe him not being able to breathe due to panic attack, OD, heart attack, whatever was happening, when he was evading arrest from the start.” Remember the official cause of death was cardiac arrest, not asphyxiation. He also said he couldn’t breathe well before the neck restraint.

This isn’t open and shut. There is a serious chance he walks.

Only in the legal system of a failed state

Nonsense.  Our system is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  The prosecution has the burden of proof.  The defense does not. 

People jumping to conclusion of guilt before a trial is complete is just wrong and especially when they are doing so from media reports.  And again conviction is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt which is a much higher bar than most people are using. 

[Moranis]

Doesn't a manslaughter or homicide ruling require proof that he killed GF beyond a reasonable doubt ?

Are you all 100% convinced that he killed Floyd and it wasn't a heart attack due to OD, excitement of arrest, previous heart conditions (when the cause of death wasn't asphyxiation), or is he just a bad cop, bad first responder, bad human being, etc?

And then how do they prove it?

you have no understanding of the legal elements required to convict someone for manslaughter or homicide and that seems to be the fundamental problem with your posting in this thread.