Danny or Brad?

[scottwedman]

There is no excuse for the Celtics to be 23-24 and fighting for the 7th/8th seed, even with Kemba/Smart missing games.

I think this is on Brad.  He knows these guys and doesn't have them ready on game night.

[MattyIce]

pat riley or erik spoelstra?

[scottwedman]

pat riley or erik spoelstra?

Not concerned about the Heat - they overachieved anyway.

[nickagneta]

Total team let down. I don't think any one person is responsible for this season. Ainge didn't have a good off-season. Brad is having the 2nd worse season of his career. The players, with the exceptions of Brown, Tatum, Timelord and Pritchard have been inconsistent to poor.

Then add in the raft of injuries, games missed due to Covid, the condensed season, the fast turnaround to start the season(that I think really hurt the Celtics more than people think), the lack of Summer League for the young guys, the lack of length of training camp and the preseason, the practice facility shut down for a while, no practices and the on road protocol for Covid that basically keeps them in their hotel rooms when not at the arena and I think you have the perfect storm for the type of season they are having.

Given all the circumstances, I am surprised the team has been able to drag themselves to a .500 or so record. This team should probably be somewhere around 7-8 below .500 if you take everything into consideration.

But, I am a glass half full type of fan, so maybe I am being to lenient in my view of the situation.

[dannyboy35]

  I expected a drop off but I thought they’d be consistently above .500. That was just the way I pictured it in my mind. I’m not AS passionate as I once was. I think the style of game throughout the league,  is finally wearing on me. But I’m sure if the Celts were finals favorites maybe I care a bit less about that.
  It’s always been hard for me to watch the way we play offense but the d has been a big dropoff I didn’t expect. Not THIS much. I did think Hayward was a good defensive player that he doesn’t get enough credit for. Plus he has some size. Wannamaker also did a good job on d LAST year . I think losing these two guys arent mentioned enough on defense but there’s an effort issue for sure.
 When you’re back is to the d running at ya on the break it’s effort.
 After shedding a personality like Kyrie I expected at least a stronger effort with the team so far.

[cltc5]

I think Danny did a good job righting the ship at the trade deadline.  Now brad needs to do better player management.  Having Marcus smart chucking threes all game or grant Williams doing his best statue impressions is not how you get your players involved.  Needed to stretch the floor late and he clogged the middle.  Poor roster man agent has been Brad’s MO.  HE NEEDS TO do his part now if this team is gonna make some noise in the playoffs

[PhoSita]

I think it's a top heavy and very young roster.  I think Danny should have anticipated that the team would struggle more this year due to Kemba's recovery, fatigue among the top players following a deep playoff run and a short off-season, and the departure of guys who were important in the rotation last year.

Danny shouldn't have banked on adding help halfway through the season.  Bigger picture, the team has had a talent drain several seasons running.  Some of that is a result of the young stars getting paid and taking over the biggest roles on the team, which coincided with higher paid guys leaving to get money and shots elsewhere. 

Still, it's Danny's job to avoid allowing the roster get stuck with too many young guys or getting boxed in by the salary / luxury tax.  He has not done a very good job of that in recent years.

[PhoSita]

pat riley or erik spoelstra?

Not concerned about the Heat - they overachieved anyway.

this seems like a real double standard.  the heat have comparable talent and arguably have a lot more winning experience on their roster than the celtics.  yet the dropoff for them from last year to this year is shrugged off as "they overachieved," while for the celtics it's "WHOSE HEAD DESERVES TO BE ON A SPIKE?!"

[Donoghus]

1) The Players (although some of this has been out of their control.  See Covid)

2) Danny

3) Brad

[nickagneta]

1) The Players (although some of this has been out of their control.  See Covid)

2) Danny

3) Brad

I agree with this. I think they all are responsible, and who is most responsible is really close, but the order seems right to me.

Players 36%, Ainge 33%, Brad 31%....something like that

[PhoSita]

I think it would be fair to say that all involved have done a poor job adapting to the circumstances of this season.

[Celtics4ever]

I would break it down to 20% players,  30% CBS and 50% Ainge.   

Players - It seems to me that their confidence and swagger is gone.  They don't believe in themselves and each other.   I think the latter is merited as I would not trust some of these guys as team mates if I was on the team either.     Some of our guys are put in position they should have been put in.

CBS -  Some day we will find out that Grant Williams has incriminating evidence on CBS and was blackmailing him to play, JK.   Seriously, he plays guys who he feels safe with rather than who can play or produce.   His rotations at times makes one wonder if he has flown the coop.   Takes out hot hands and substitutes guys who are wrong for the situation.  He is playing the cards he has been dealt and the hand is not always a good one.

Ainge - This roster does not have enough talent, we don't fit well together, our draft picks have faltered in many cases, and signings in the off season did not help much.   Falls in love with his guys too much and much of the talent he has accumulated is underwhelming.     Too much emphasis on good character as an overreaction to Kyrie has lead us to load up the roster with good guys who struggle to play their roles well that is on Danny

That being said, I still think Ainge made a good deal with Fournier and I support him and CBS.   I root for our guys every night to win.

[PAOBoston]

1) The Players (although some of this has been out of their control.  See Covid)

2) Danny

3) Brad

This. There is blame all the way around. But I think a large chunk of it falls on the players for just not performing. Ainge didn’t do a great job with the roster construction but getting the sense that this was a roster reset year the moment Hayward left.

[SHAQATTACK]

I would break it down to 20% players,  30% CBS and 50% Ainge.   

Players - It seems to me that their confidence and swagger is gone.  They don't believe in themselves and each other.   I think the latter is merited as I would not trust some of these guys as team mates if I was on the team either.     Some of our guys are put in position they should have been put in.

CBS -  Some day we will find out that Grant Williams has incriminating evidence on CBS and was blackmailing him to play, JK.   Seriously, he plays guys who he feels safe with rather than who can play or produce.   His rotations at times makes one wonder if he has flown the coop.   Takes out hot hands and substitutes guys who are wrong for the situation.  He is playing the cards he has been dealt and the hand is not always a good one.

Ainge - This roster does not have enough talent, we don't fit well together, our draft picks have faltered in many cases, and signings in the off season did not help much.   Falls in love with his guys too much and much of the talent he has accumulated is underwhelming.     Too much emphasis on good character as an overreaction to Kyrie has lead us to load up the roster with good guys who struggle to play their roles well that is on Danny

That being said, I still think Ainge made a good deal with Fournier and I support him and CBS.   I root for our guys every night to win.

I’ll go along with that .

The one who hires the coach and players is carrying the load ....and Danny is about to get crushed . 

Notice the Lakers now have people in charge who really know nothing about basketball.  It’s about getting GMs who turn over control to the players .  guys who know talent and basket ball and building the old way are tossed out for ,  savvy business dudes and yes men ,  even Magic Johnson was too old school for the Lakers .   

You get a top five player who brings his buddy to make two top ten stars ,   Which manifests into getting other top 30 players . It’s an automatic self building team , but you need a super star with clout.

The trick is to give away enough power and goodies and kiss enough rear end to make it happen.

Not being able to follow this model ,  leads to tanking , getting new players who will give you a few years to build or trade them for those stars you need to compete.

Thanks Lebron James for you contribution to modern nba

[gouki88]

pat riley or erik spoelstra?

Not concerned about the Heat - they overachieved anyway.

this seems like a real double standard.  the heat have comparable talent and arguably have a lot more winning experience on their roster than the celtics.  yet the dropoff for them from last year to this year is shrugged off as "they overachieved," while for the celtics it's "WHOSE HEAD DESERVES TO BE ON A SPIKE?!"

Maybe we should swap coaches and GMs with them