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One move away?
« on: November 22, 2020, 06:03:11 PM »

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Are the Celtics one move away from being a championship contender? If you swap Kemba Walker for Bradley Beal, would they not be the best team in the East? I just don’t think you can be a contender with Kemba. He’s too much of a liability on the defensive end. Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Thompson seems like it would be a dominant team...
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2020, 06:26:15 PM »

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Are the Celtics one move away from being a championship contender? If you swap Kemba Walker for Bradley Beal, would they not be the best team in the East? I just don’t think you can be a contender with Kemba. He’s too much of a liability on the defensive end. Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Thompson seems like it would be a dominant team...

The question is, how are you going to obtain Beal without giving up a major asset? like Brown

Wizards are not interested in leftovers

If we were in the position of OKC, perhaps 4 or 5 1sts/swaps combination can do the trick to obtain Beal... not in that position



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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2020, 07:05:15 PM »

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I don’t know why Washington would want two max-contract guys who can only play point guard. Would have to be a three team deal
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2020, 07:08:51 PM »

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One move away is a good description of this roster.

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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2020, 07:08:52 PM »

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I'll keep Walker, he will be that much more dangerous playing with Thomson who finishes much better than Theis in pick and rolls.

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2020, 07:55:29 PM »

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Are the Celtics one move away from being a championship contender? If you swap Kemba Walker for Bradley Beal, would they not be the best team in the East? I just don’t think you can be a contender with Kemba. He’s too much of a liability on the defensive end. Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Thompson seems like it would be a dominant team...

The question is, how are you going to obtain Beal without giving up a major asset? like Brown

Wizards are not interested in leftovers

If we were in the position of OKC, perhaps 4 or 5 1sts/swaps combination can do the trick to obtain Beal... not in that position


Beal has this coming season and the next and then he is an UFA. Washington is clearly in a rebuild and John Wal apparently wants out. If Washington moves Beal now, they should get a much better return than If he only has one season remaining on his deal. You don’t think Walker,  3 first round picks,  some combination of Naismith, Langford/ Rob Williams would be enough? Teams aren’t going to trade their star players away for Beal.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2020, 08:02:46 PM »

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I don’t know why Washington would want two max-contract guys who can only play point guard. Would have to be a three team deal

You don’t think Wall can run the point with Kemba playing off the ball? Kemba guards the opposing PG and Wall covers their SG. there  have also been recent reports that Wall wants to be traded as well...
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2020, 08:02:48 PM »

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The Celts are one move away in the sense that every team that lacks a clear cut MVP player is one major move away.



The easiest way for this roster to pop would be if one of the guys they've drafted in the last few years makes an unexpected leap.

Otherwise, we know what we've got. Tatum is a signature star in the NBA, an All NBA fixture for years to come, but not yet a top 5 guy. Kemba and Brown are very nice secondary stars who may or may not make All Star.  Smart is an elite defensive role player.  Mixed bag of role players and young guys otherwise.


The Celts enter this next season in much the same position they were in at the end of their bubble playoff run. That's both good and bad.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2020, 08:05:07 PM »

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I'll keep Walker, he will be that much more dangerous playing with Thomson who finishes much better than Theis in pick and rolls.

You think Walker is a better player/fit than Beal? Can you explain
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2020, 08:27:02 PM »

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The Celts are one move away in the sense that every team that lacks a clear cut MVP player is one major move away.



The easiest way for this roster to pop would be if one of the guys they've drafted in the last few years makes an unexpected leap.

Otherwise, we know what we've got. Tatum is a signature star in the NBA, an All NBA fixture for years to come, but not yet a top 5 guy. Kemba and Brown are very nice secondary stars who may or may not make All Star.  Smart is an elite defensive role player.  Mixed bag of role players and young guys otherwise.


The Celts enter this next season in much the same position they were in at the end of their bubble playoff run. That's both good and bad.

I’m surprised you consider Beal to be an MVP caliber player. I think he’s a very good player, but sort of on the level of a Devin Booker or Donovan Mitchell. I Just feel like substituting a player that is not a super star, but an all star that isn’t a huge liability on defense would take the Celtics to the next level.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2020, 09:08:40 PM »

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I'll keep Walker, he will be that much more dangerous playing with Thomson who finishes much better than Theis in pick and rolls.

You think Walker is a better player/fit than Beal? Can you explain

100%, absolutely. Of course this assumes that Walker is healthy moving forward, but he plays a position of need and has even had more individual success in the last couple of years than Beal. I like Beal, but think the defensive liability of Kemba is overblown; he has always been a tough defender and I think he was just bit a slowed down by the knee issue in the bubble.

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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2020, 10:15:44 PM »

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I'll keep Walker, he will be that much more dangerous playing with Thomson who finishes much better than Theis in pick and rolls.

You think Walker is a better player/fit than Beal? Can you explain

100%, absolutely. Of course this assumes that Walker is healthy moving forward, but he plays a position of need and has even had more individual success in the last couple of years than Beal. I like Beal, but think the defensive liability of Kemba is overblown; he has always been a tough defender and I think he was just bit a slowed down by the knee issue in the bubble.

Really? Beal has better career averages in every statistical category, is a much better defender and is several years younger. Kemba is a shoot first PG and I feel like smart and Hayward did a better job running the offense. I think Kemba tries hard on defense, but at the end of the day he’s maybe 6’ and 180 lbs. He was a huge liability in the playoffs this year.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2020, 10:18:22 PM »

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I don’t know why Washington would want two max-contract guys who can only play point guard. Would have to be a three team deal

You don’t think Wall can run the point with Kemba playing off the ball? Kemba guards the opposing PG and Wall covers their SG. there  have also been recent reports that Wall wants to be traded as well...
I think it could work on offence. On defence it would be an absolute disastrous, especially as we don't know how Wall will rebound physically
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2020, 10:25:38 PM »

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The starting PG of this team needs to be more in the vein of a SGA, Jrue, Rubio, or Lowry. Someone that can hold their own defensively and create opportunities for the four other better players on the court. We don’t need some offensive monster PG who gets endlessly exploited on defense. We know how that ends come playoff time.

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The Celts are one move away in the sense that every team that lacks a clear cut MVP player is one major move away.



The easiest way for this roster to pop would be if one of the guys they've drafted in the last few years makes an unexpected leap.

Otherwise, we know what we've got. Tatum is a signature star in the NBA, an All NBA fixture for years to come, but not yet a top 5 guy. Kemba and Brown are very nice secondary stars who may or may not make All Star.  Smart is an elite defensive role player.  Mixed bag of role players and young guys otherwise.


The Celts enter this next season in much the same position they were in at the end of their bubble playoff run. That's both good and bad.

I’m surprised you consider Beal to be an MVP caliber player. I think he’s a very good player, but sort of on the level of a Devin Booker or Donovan Mitchell. I Just feel like substituting a player that is not a super star, but an all star that isn’t a huge liability on defense would take the Celtics to the next level.


I didn't say he was and I agree; he's not.

What I am saying is that adding a MVP type player is the one type of move left that would drastically change where this team stands in the league hierarchy.
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