Transition of Power - All Things Presidential Thread

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It’s scary, but this is a plausible outcome.  If Trump wins PA but loses Arizona and traditionally blue states, the second district in Maine could earn him a tie (if Nebraska’s Omaha District stays red).

I don't know Roy. Right now the 'coinflip' states are: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. I just don't think Trump can flip a coin 7 times and get heads all 7 times. People forget one of the reason's Hillary lost was because of Michigan and Wisconsin. Joe has those locked up just about. I can't imagine Joe Biden, a more popular candidate than Hillary, losing all of those swing states.

The thing is, winning one "coin flip" would mean that it's more likely he wins the others, since it would mean that polls underrated his support again. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly more likely than 1 in 128 (which is still worryingly high)

I very well may be wrong but I have more faith in the polls this year because I do not believe there are nearly as many shy Trump voters as there were in 2016. For as much as his followers like to talk about being the "silent majority" they are not so silent. His win has embolden his supporters so I expect the polls are more accurate this time around. For the sake of our country I hope I am right.

Then again, the "loud" Trump voters may be the reason that other Trump voters are "shy". They may want to vote the same way, but don't identify with, do not even want to be associated with, certain other segments of Trump voters perhaps.

I think that’s right.  I have lots of Republican friends.  They fall into two categories:  1. Very pro-Trump, post on FB constantly, wear MAGA hats; and 2. Secretly pro-Trump, because most of their friends and colleagues are Democrats

I think that most Trump voters still fall into the second category, at least up here in Maine.

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Allow me to vent about the “loud” Trump voters.  This morning I drove by my neighborhoods local park. This is a typical small-town park, playground for the kids, one basketball hoop, etc. It’s very family oriented. This morning, some idiot put up probably 30 signs.  About 25 of them were a depiction of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) urinating on Pelosi.  Immature and stupid, and not fit for a children’s area.  Worse, about five of the signs were typical blue Trump signs, but underneath there was a slogan:  “F—- your feelings.”  Written out.  For children to see.

The idiots who put up that sign are actively harming society. It’s just spreading hate and discontent. Their goal in putting up the sign wasn’t advocacy, but rather to make others feel upset. Who does that?

And, in fairness, across the street from these signs was a neighbor who had 17 anti-Trump signs, many of them bordering on vulgar.  So, it’s not just the Trump voters.

Unfortunately, most only see those people. The loud, vulgar ones. So they think that's pretty much Trump's base. I know many Trump supporters and can tell you the obnoxious ones are definitely a tiny minority. I'm not even sure they are the most truly politically engaged. They are just gladly tribal. One guy I know is like this with everything from sports to politics. It's almost like he just happens to be a Trump supporter and has bought in 110%, rather than consider what that actually means.

What does it "Acutally mean" to be a Trump Supporter?

Again, as an outside, it seems like you want a stable economy, you want logical and obtainable change, you want to promote your country first and foremost and you want nothing to do with socialism.

In this context, I'm simply meaning that anyone who knows they will vote for Trump and does is a Trump supporter. As for their motivations, that is much more diverse. Some seem to like his anti-establishment rhetoric, some his economic and industrial ideas, some his brash nature, some like him because he's the opposite of the progressive/left etc.

[Darth_Yoda]

It’s scary, but this is a plausible outcome.  If Trump wins PA but loses Arizona and traditionally blue states, the second district in Maine could earn him a tie (if Nebraska’s Omaha District stays red).

I don't know Roy. Right now the 'coinflip' states are: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. I just don't think Trump can flip a coin 7 times and get heads all 7 times. People forget one of the reason's Hillary lost was because of Michigan and Wisconsin. Joe has those locked up just about. I can't imagine Joe Biden, a more popular candidate than Hillary, losing all of those swing states.

The thing is, winning one "coin flip" would mean that it's more likely he wins the others, since it would mean that polls underrated his support again. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly more likely than 1 in 128 (which is still worryingly high)

I very well may be wrong but I have more faith in the polls this year because I do not believe there are nearly as many shy Trump voters as there were in 2016. For as much as his followers like to talk about being the "silent majority" they are not so silent. His win has embolden his supporters so I expect the polls are more accurate this time around. For the sake of our country I hope I am right.

Then again, the "loud" Trump voters may be the reason that other Trump voters are "shy". They may want to vote the same way, but don't identify with, do not even want to be associated with, certain other segments of Trump voters perhaps.

I think that’s right.  I have lots of Republican friends.  They fall into two categories:  1. Very pro-Trump, post on FB constantly, wear MAGA hats; and 2. Secretly pro-Trump, because most of their friends and colleagues are Democrats

I think that most Trump voters still fall into the second category, at least up here in Maine.

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Allow me to vent about the “loud” Trump voters.  This morning I drove by my neighborhoods local park. This is a typical small-town park, playground for the kids, one basketball hoop, etc. It’s very family oriented. This morning, some idiot put up probably 30 signs.  About 25 of them were a depiction of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) urinating on Pelosi.  Immature and stupid, and not fit for a children’s area.  Worse, about five of the signs were typical blue Trump signs, but underneath there was a slogan:  “F—- your feelings.”  Written out.  For children to see.

The idiots who put up that sign are actively harming society. It’s just spreading hate and discontent. Their goal in putting up the sign wasn’t advocacy, but rather to make others feel upset. Who does that?

And, in fairness, across the street from these signs was a neighbor who had 17 anti-Trump signs, many of them bordering on vulgar.  So, it’s not just the Trump voters.

Unfortunately, most only see those people. The loud, vulgar ones. So they think that's pretty much Trump's base. I know many Trump supporters and can tell you the obnoxious ones are definitely a tiny minority. I'm not even sure they are the most truly politically engaged. They are just gladly tribal. One guy I know is like this with everything from sports to politics. It's almost like he just happens to be a Trump supporter and has bought in 110%, rather than consider what that actually means.

What does it "Acutally mean" to be a Trump Supporter?

Again, as an outside, it seems like you want a stable economy, you want logical and obtainable change, you want to promote your country first and foremost and you want nothing to do with socialism.

In this context, I'm simply meaning that anyone who knows they will vote for Trump and does is a Trump supporter. As for their motivations, that is much more diverse. Some seem to like his anti-establishment rhetoric, some his economic and industrial ideas, some his brash nature, some like him because he's the opposite of the progressive/left etc.

Got ya

[Darth_Yoda]

It’s scary, but this is a plausible outcome.  If Trump wins PA but loses Arizona and traditionally blue states, the second district in Maine could earn him a tie (if Nebraska’s Omaha District stays red).

I don't know Roy. Right now the 'coinflip' states are: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. I just don't think Trump can flip a coin 7 times and get heads all 7 times. People forget one of the reason's Hillary lost was because of Michigan and Wisconsin. Joe has those locked up just about. I can't imagine Joe Biden, a more popular candidate than Hillary, losing all of those swing states.

The thing is, winning one "coin flip" would mean that it's more likely he wins the others, since it would mean that polls underrated his support again. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly more likely than 1 in 128 (which is still worryingly high)

I very well may be wrong but I have more faith in the polls this year because I do not believe there are nearly as many shy Trump voters as there were in 2016. For as much as his followers like to talk about being the "silent majority" they are not so silent. His win has embolden his supporters so I expect the polls are more accurate this time around. For the sake of our country I hope I am right.

Then again, the "loud" Trump voters may be the reason that other Trump voters are "shy". They may want to vote the same way, but don't identify with, do not even want to be associated with, certain other segments of Trump voters perhaps.

I think that’s right.  I have lots of Republican friends.  They fall into two categories:  1. Very pro-Trump, post on FB constantly, wear MAGA hats; and 2. Secretly pro-Trump, because most of their friends and colleagues are Democrats

I think that most Trump voters still fall into the second category, at least up here in Maine.

——————————————————-

Allow me to vent about the “loud” Trump voters.  This morning I drove by my neighborhoods local park. This is a typical small-town park, playground for the kids, one basketball hoop, etc. It’s very family oriented. This morning, some idiot put up probably 30 signs.  About 25 of them were a depiction of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) urinating on Pelosi.  Immature and stupid, and not fit for a children’s area.  Worse, about five of the signs were typical blue Trump signs, but underneath there was a slogan:  “F—- your feelings.”  Written out.  For children to see.

The idiots who put up that sign are actively harming society. It’s just spreading hate and discontent. Their goal in putting up the sign wasn’t advocacy, but rather to make others feel upset. Who does that?

And, in fairness, across the street from these signs was a neighbor who had 17 anti-Trump signs, many of them bordering on vulgar.  So, it’s not just the Trump voters.

Unfortunately, most only see those people. The loud, vulgar ones. So they think that's pretty much Trump's base. I know many Trump supporters and can tell you the obnoxious ones are definitely a tiny minority. I'm not even sure they are the most truly politically engaged. They are just gladly tribal. One guy I know is like this with everything from sports to politics. It's almost like he just happens to be a Trump supporter and has bought in 110%, rather than consider what that actually means.

What does it "Acutally mean" to be a Trump Supporter?

Again, as an outside, it seems like you want a stable economy, you want logical and obtainable change, you want to promote your country first and foremost and you want nothing to do with socialism.

The Socialist candidates have lost the Democratic Primary in both of these last two election cycles. If you listen to Trump and his special media, they will keep hammering home the Socialist angle; but Biden is a moderate, Hillary was a moderate. I do not believe in Socialism, but I fully believe in social equality and climate change, and can't imagine voting for a Republican with the state their party is in.

If we were talking John Kasich (Republican) versus Bernie Sanders (Democrat), I would likely be voting for Kasich in this election - and I don't think I am alone as a Biden voter in that regard. That is the real difference here. A lot of us just want things to settle down - the fear and hate that Trump has been propagating [on both sides] is just really unnerving.

I can see your point about the divide. That really is scary honestly. There are some that will go completely nuts if Trump wins.

I am kind of surprised that people see Biden as a Moderate. We did the same thing with Trudeau. I no longer believe there is any scale to socialism at all. You are or you are not, the rest is just what is being said. The Difference in Bernie and Biden/Hillary is that Bernie seems like he will not be told what to do. Much like Trump. And the big money backers (big Tech - Google, Facebook, Youtube, CNN etc) do not like that. They want someone to control, much like dear little Justin Castro/Trudeau up here

[tazzmaniac]

It’s scary, but this is a plausible outcome.  If Trump wins PA but loses Arizona and traditionally blue states, the second district in Maine could earn him a tie (if Nebraska’s Omaha District stays red).

I don't know Roy. Right now the 'coinflip' states are: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. I just don't think Trump can flip a coin 7 times and get heads all 7 times. People forget one of the reason's Hillary lost was because of Michigan and Wisconsin. Joe has those locked up just about. I can't imagine Joe Biden, a more popular candidate than Hillary, losing all of those swing states.

The thing is, winning one "coin flip" would mean that it's more likely he wins the others, since it would mean that polls underrated his support again. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly more likely than 1 in 128 (which is still worryingly high)

I very well may be wrong but I have more faith in the polls this year because I do not believe there are nearly as many shy Trump voters as there were in 2016. For as much as his followers like to talk about being the "silent majority" they are not so silent. His win has embolden his supporters so I expect the polls are more accurate this time around. For the sake of our country I hope I am right.

Then again, the "loud" Trump voters may be the reason that other Trump voters are "shy". They may want to vote the same way, but don't identify with, do not even want to be associated with, certain other segments of Trump voters perhaps.

I think that’s right.  I have lots of Republican friends.  They fall into two categories:  1. Very pro-Trump, post on FB constantly, wear MAGA hats; and 2. Secretly pro-Trump, because most of their friends and colleagues are Democrats

I think that most Trump voters still fall into the second category, at least up here in Maine.

——————————————————-

Allow me to vent about the “loud” Trump voters.  This morning I drove by my neighborhoods local park. This is a typical small-town park, playground for the kids, one basketball hoop, etc. It’s very family oriented. This morning, some idiot put up probably 30 signs.  About 25 of them were a depiction of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) urinating on Pelosi.  Immature and stupid, and not fit for a children’s area.  Worse, about five of the signs were typical blue Trump signs, but underneath there was a slogan:  “F—- your feelings.”  Written out.  For children to see.

The idiots who put up that sign are actively harming society. It’s just spreading hate and discontent. Their goal in putting up the sign wasn’t advocacy, but rather to make others feel upset. Who does that?

And, in fairness, across the street from these signs was a neighbor who had 17 anti-Trump signs, many of them bordering on vulgar.  So, it’s not just the Trump voters.

Unfortunately, most only see those people. The loud, vulgar ones. So they think that's pretty much Trump's base. I know many Trump supporters and can tell you the obnoxious ones are definitely a tiny minority. I'm not even sure they are the most truly politically engaged. They are just gladly tribal. One guy I know is like this with everything from sports to politics. It's almost like he just happens to be a Trump supporter and has bought in 110%, rather than consider what that actually means.

What does it "Acutally mean" to be a Trump Supporter?

Again, as an outside, it seems like you want a stable economy, you want logical and obtainable change, you want to promote your country first and foremost and you want nothing to do with socialism.

The Socialist candidates have lost the Democratic Primary in both of these last two election cycles. If you listen to Trump and his special media, they will keep hammering home the Socialist angle; but Biden is a moderate, Hillary was a moderate. I do not believe in Socialism, but I fully believe in social equality and climate change, and can't imagine voting for a Republican with the state their party is in.

If we were talking John Kasich (Republican) versus Bernie Sanders (Democrat), I would likely be voting for Kasich in this election - and I don't think I am alone as a Biden voter in that regard. That is the real difference here. A lot of us just want things to settle down - the fear and hate that Trump has been propagating [on both sides] is just really unnerving.

I'm in total agreement.  Trump isn't just a massive egomaniac.  He is a bald-faced, unrepentant liar and a hugely destabilizing personality for the U.S. and the world. 

[tazzmaniac]

Took me an hour to vote.  Doesn't really matter since of the approximately 20 offices on the ballot only 3 had democrats running.  And Biden and Jones have no chance to win in Alabama. 

[Darth_Yoda]

It’s scary, but this is a plausible outcome.  If Trump wins PA but loses Arizona and traditionally blue states, the second district in Maine could earn him a tie (if Nebraska’s Omaha District stays red).

I don't know Roy. Right now the 'coinflip' states are: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. I just don't think Trump can flip a coin 7 times and get heads all 7 times. People forget one of the reason's Hillary lost was because of Michigan and Wisconsin. Joe has those locked up just about. I can't imagine Joe Biden, a more popular candidate than Hillary, losing all of those swing states.

The thing is, winning one "coin flip" would mean that it's more likely he wins the others, since it would mean that polls underrated his support again. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly more likely than 1 in 128 (which is still worryingly high)

I very well may be wrong but I have more faith in the polls this year because I do not believe there are nearly as many shy Trump voters as there were in 2016. For as much as his followers like to talk about being the "silent majority" they are not so silent. His win has embolden his supporters so I expect the polls are more accurate this time around. For the sake of our country I hope I am right.

Then again, the "loud" Trump voters may be the reason that other Trump voters are "shy". They may want to vote the same way, but don't identify with, do not even want to be associated with, certain other segments of Trump voters perhaps.

I think that’s right.  I have lots of Republican friends.  They fall into two categories:  1. Very pro-Trump, post on FB constantly, wear MAGA hats; and 2. Secretly pro-Trump, because most of their friends and colleagues are Democrats

I think that most Trump voters still fall into the second category, at least up here in Maine.

——————————————————-

Allow me to vent about the “loud” Trump voters.  This morning I drove by my neighborhoods local park. This is a typical small-town park, playground for the kids, one basketball hoop, etc. It’s very family oriented. This morning, some idiot put up probably 30 signs.  About 25 of them were a depiction of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) urinating on Pelosi.  Immature and stupid, and not fit for a children’s area.  Worse, about five of the signs were typical blue Trump signs, but underneath there was a slogan:  “F—- your feelings.”  Written out.  For children to see.

The idiots who put up that sign are actively harming society. It’s just spreading hate and discontent. Their goal in putting up the sign wasn’t advocacy, but rather to make others feel upset. Who does that?

And, in fairness, across the street from these signs was a neighbor who had 17 anti-Trump signs, many of them bordering on vulgar.  So, it’s not just the Trump voters.

Unfortunately, most only see those people. The loud, vulgar ones. So they think that's pretty much Trump's base. I know many Trump supporters and can tell you the obnoxious ones are definitely a tiny minority. I'm not even sure they are the most truly politically engaged. They are just gladly tribal. One guy I know is like this with everything from sports to politics. It's almost like he just happens to be a Trump supporter and has bought in 110%, rather than consider what that actually means.

What does it "Acutally mean" to be a Trump Supporter?

Again, as an outside, it seems like you want a stable economy, you want logical and obtainable change, you want to promote your country first and foremost and you want nothing to do with socialism.

The Socialist candidates have lost the Democratic Primary in both of these last two election cycles. If you listen to Trump and his special media, they will keep hammering home the Socialist angle; but Biden is a moderate, Hillary was a moderate. I do not believe in Socialism, but I fully believe in social equality and climate change, and can't imagine voting for a Republican with the state their party is in.

If we were talking John Kasich (Republican) versus Bernie Sanders (Democrat), I would likely be voting for Kasich in this election - and I don't think I am alone as a Biden voter in that regard. That is the real difference here. A lot of us just want things to settle down - the fear and hate that Trump has been propagating [on both sides] is just really unnerving.

I'm in total agreement.  Trump isn't just a massive egomaniac.  He is a bald-faced, unrepentant liar and a hugely destabilizing personality for the U.S. and the world.

All politicians lie.

Like Joe with Fracking and Hunter computer
Like Kamala with Joe being a racist misogynist who borderline sexually harasses women to then none of those things when asked to be a VP

[ederson]

I'm in total agreement.  Trump isn't just a massive egomaniac.  He is a bald-faced, unrepentant liar and a hugely destabilizing personality for the U.S. and the world.

All politicians lie.

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oversimplification........

[gift]

It’s scary, but this is a plausible outcome.  If Trump wins PA but loses Arizona and traditionally blue states, the second district in Maine could earn him a tie (if Nebraska’s Omaha District stays red).

I don't know Roy. Right now the 'coinflip' states are: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. I just don't think Trump can flip a coin 7 times and get heads all 7 times. People forget one of the reason's Hillary lost was because of Michigan and Wisconsin. Joe has those locked up just about. I can't imagine Joe Biden, a more popular candidate than Hillary, losing all of those swing states.

The thing is, winning one "coin flip" would mean that it's more likely he wins the others, since it would mean that polls underrated his support again. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly more likely than 1 in 128 (which is still worryingly high)

I very well may be wrong but I have more faith in the polls this year because I do not believe there are nearly as many shy Trump voters as there were in 2016. For as much as his followers like to talk about being the "silent majority" they are not so silent. His win has embolden his supporters so I expect the polls are more accurate this time around. For the sake of our country I hope I am right.

Then again, the "loud" Trump voters may be the reason that other Trump voters are "shy". They may want to vote the same way, but don't identify with, do not even want to be associated with, certain other segments of Trump voters perhaps.

I think that’s right.  I have lots of Republican friends.  They fall into two categories:  1. Very pro-Trump, post on FB constantly, wear MAGA hats; and 2. Secretly pro-Trump, because most of their friends and colleagues are Democrats

I think that most Trump voters still fall into the second category, at least up here in Maine.

——————————————————-

Allow me to vent about the “loud” Trump voters.  This morning I drove by my neighborhoods local park. This is a typical small-town park, playground for the kids, one basketball hoop, etc. It’s very family oriented. This morning, some idiot put up probably 30 signs.  About 25 of them were a depiction of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) urinating on Pelosi.  Immature and stupid, and not fit for a children’s area.  Worse, about five of the signs were typical blue Trump signs, but underneath there was a slogan:  “F—- your feelings.”  Written out.  For children to see.

The idiots who put up that sign are actively harming society. It’s just spreading hate and discontent. Their goal in putting up the sign wasn’t advocacy, but rather to make others feel upset. Who does that?

And, in fairness, across the street from these signs was a neighbor who had 17 anti-Trump signs, many of them bordering on vulgar.  So, it’s not just the Trump voters.

Unfortunately, most only see those people. The loud, vulgar ones. So they think that's pretty much Trump's base. I know many Trump supporters and can tell you the obnoxious ones are definitely a tiny minority. I'm not even sure they are the most truly politically engaged. They are just gladly tribal. One guy I know is like this with everything from sports to politics. It's almost like he just happens to be a Trump supporter and has bought in 110%, rather than consider what that actually means.

What does it "Acutally mean" to be a Trump Supporter?

Again, as an outside, it seems like you want a stable economy, you want logical and obtainable change, you want to promote your country first and foremost and you want nothing to do with socialism.

The Socialist candidates have lost the Democratic Primary in both of these last two election cycles. If you listen to Trump and his special media, they will keep hammering home the Socialist angle; but Biden is a moderate, Hillary was a moderate. I do not believe in Socialism, but I fully believe in social equality and climate change, and can't imagine voting for a Republican with the state their party is in.

If we were talking John Kasich (Republican) versus Bernie Sanders (Democrat), I would likely be voting for Kasich in this election - and I don't think I am alone as a Biden voter in that regard. That is the real difference here. A lot of us just want things to settle down - the fear and hate that Trump has been propagating [on both sides] is just really unnerving.

I can see your point about the divide. That really is scary honestly. There are some that will go completely nuts if Trump wins.

I am kind of surprised that people see Biden as a Moderate. We did the same thing with Trudeau. I no longer believe there is any scale to socialism at all. You are or you are not, the rest is just what is being said. The Difference in Bernie and Biden/Hillary is that Bernie seems like he will not be told what to do. Much like Trump. And the big money backers (big Tech - Google, Facebook, Youtube, CNN etc) do not like that. They want someone to control, much like dear little Justin Castro/Trudeau up here

With Biden I hear both claims that he's using progressive/leftist support to enact an establishment agenda and that he's using moderate appeal but will ultimately bend to a more left agenda (same with Kamala). Normally, I'd assume they will ultimately side with the establishment, given their history. But 2020 has me open to a lot of possibilities.

[KGs Knee]

Took me an hour to vote.   

This is crazy, to me. And yet I know some people have to wait even longer.

This will be my 6th presidential election cycle I've voted in, in three different NH towns, and I've never had to wait more than 20 minutes to vote. If I had to wait an hour or more to vote I'd be pretty angry. There's no good reason to make people have to wait so dang long in line to vote.

[tazzmaniac]

Took me an hour to vote.   

This is crazy, to me. And yet I know some people have to wait even longer.

This will be my 6th presidential election cycle I've voted in, in three different NH towns, and I've never had to wait more than 20 minutes to vote. If I had to wait an hour or more to vote I'd be pretty angry. There's no good reason to make people have to wait so dang long in line to vote.

The past couple president elections I voted during lunch and it was much quicker.  This morning it was a rather long line.  An hour isn't a big deal to us Southerners.   After work, the lines will probably be longer.  My 1st vote was for Reagan's 2nd term.  Voted after work and it took nearly 2 hours as I recall. 

It was good to see 90% of the voters were wearing masks.  When I got into the building, there was a volunteer with hand sanitizers.  Another volunteer sanitized the table after the previous voter before I used it. 

[Donoghus]

This was the first election I've ever done mail-in ballot.  Part of me misses voting in person on election day but it worked out pretty smoothly. 

Received my ballot in Sept.  Filled it out a couple of weeks ago and walked it to an early voting place.  Walked right in & dropped it in the box.  Took less than 5 minutes.  Received a letter from the board of elections 3-4 days later saying it was received & will be counted.

My first presidential election was Bush/Gore.  Never thought any election could get as wild as that but think it could very well go the same route where we won't know for weeks. 

[mmmmm]

It’s scary, but this is a plausible outcome.  If Trump wins PA but loses Arizona and traditionally blue states, the second district in Maine could earn him a tie (if Nebraska’s Omaha District stays red).

I don't know Roy. Right now the 'coinflip' states are: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. I just don't think Trump can flip a coin 7 times and get heads all 7 times. People forget one of the reason's Hillary lost was because of Michigan and Wisconsin. Joe has those locked up just about. I can't imagine Joe Biden, a more popular candidate than Hillary, losing all of those swing states.

The thing is, winning one "coin flip" would mean that it's more likely he wins the others, since it would mean that polls underrated his support again. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly more likely than 1 in 128 (which is still worryingly high)

I very well may be wrong but I have more faith in the polls this year because I do not believe there are nearly as many shy Trump voters as there were in 2016. For as much as his followers like to talk about being the "silent majority" they are not so silent. His win has embolden his supporters so I expect the polls are more accurate this time around. For the sake of our country I hope I am right.

Then again, the "loud" Trump voters may be the reason that other Trump voters are "shy". They may want to vote the same way, but don't identify with, do not even want to be associated with, certain other segments of Trump voters perhaps.

I think that’s right.  I have lots of Republican friends.  They fall into two categories:  1. Very pro-Trump, post on FB constantly, wear MAGA hats; and 2. Secretly pro-Trump, because most of their friends and colleagues are Democrats

I think that most Trump voters still fall into the second category, at least up here in Maine.

——————————————————-

Allow me to vent about the “loud” Trump voters.  This morning I drove by my neighborhoods local park. This is a typical small-town park, playground for the kids, one basketball hoop, etc. It’s very family oriented. This morning, some idiot put up probably 30 signs.  About 25 of them were a depiction of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) urinating on Pelosi.  Immature and stupid, and not fit for a children’s area.  Worse, about five of the signs were typical blue Trump signs, but underneath there was a slogan:  “F—- your feelings.”  Written out.  For children to see.

The idiots who put up that sign are actively harming society. It’s just spreading hate and discontent. Their goal in putting up the sign wasn’t advocacy, but rather to make others feel upset. Who does that?

And, in fairness, across the street from these signs was a neighbor who had 17 anti-Trump signs, many of them bordering on vulgar.  So, it’s not just the Trump voters.

Unfortunately, most only see those people. The loud, vulgar ones. So they think that's pretty much Trump's base. I know many Trump supporters and can tell you the obnoxious ones are definitely a tiny minority. I'm not even sure they are the most truly politically engaged. They are just gladly tribal. One guy I know is like this with everything from sports to politics. It's almost like he just happens to be a Trump supporter and has bought in 110%, rather than consider what that actually means.

What does it "Acutally mean" to be a Trump Supporter?

Again, as an outside, it seems like you want a stable economy, you want logical and obtainable change, you want to promote your country first and foremost and you want nothing to do with socialism.

The Socialist candidates have lost the Democratic Primary in both of these last two election cycles. If you listen to Trump and his special media, they will keep hammering home the Socialist angle; but Biden is a moderate, Hillary was a moderate. I do not believe in Socialism, but I fully believe in social equality and climate change, and can't imagine voting for a Republican with the state their party is in.

If we were talking John Kasich (Republican) versus Bernie Sanders (Democrat), I would likely be voting for Kasich in this election - and I don't think I am alone as a Biden voter in that regard. That is the real difference here. A lot of us just want things to settle down - the fear and hate that Trump has been propagating [on both sides] is just really unnerving.

I'm in total agreement.  Trump isn't just a massive egomaniac.  He is a bald-faced, unrepentant liar and a hugely destabilizing personality for the U.S. and the world.

All politicians lie.

This is a debunked false equivalence.  Trump is on record for an average of 50 lies every day -- well over 20,000 lies since he took office.  There are numerous sites that track lies by politicians -- not just Trump, but also many others including Democrats.   And nobody -- nobody -- is remotely close to the serial liar that Trump is.

He is a pathological liar.  A con man.

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It’s scary, but this is a plausible outcome.  If Trump wins PA but loses Arizona and traditionally blue states, the second district in Maine could earn him a tie (if Nebraska’s Omaha District stays red).

I don't know Roy. Right now the 'coinflip' states are: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. I just don't think Trump can flip a coin 7 times and get heads all 7 times. People forget one of the reason's Hillary lost was because of Michigan and Wisconsin. Joe has those locked up just about. I can't imagine Joe Biden, a more popular candidate than Hillary, losing all of those swing states.

The thing is, winning one "coin flip" would mean that it's more likely he wins the others, since it would mean that polls underrated his support again. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly more likely than 1 in 128 (which is still worryingly high)

I very well may be wrong but I have more faith in the polls this year because I do not believe there are nearly as many shy Trump voters as there were in 2016. For as much as his followers like to talk about being the "silent majority" they are not so silent. His win has embolden his supporters so I expect the polls are more accurate this time around. For the sake of our country I hope I am right.

Then again, the "loud" Trump voters may be the reason that other Trump voters are "shy". They may want to vote the same way, but don't identify with, do not even want to be associated with, certain other segments of Trump voters perhaps.

I think that’s right.  I have lots of Republican friends.  They fall into two categories:  1. Very pro-Trump, post on FB constantly, wear MAGA hats; and 2. Secretly pro-Trump, because most of their friends and colleagues are Democrats

I think that most Trump voters still fall into the second category, at least up here in Maine.

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Allow me to vent about the “loud” Trump voters.  This morning I drove by my neighborhoods local park. This is a typical small-town park, playground for the kids, one basketball hoop, etc. It’s very family oriented. This morning, some idiot put up probably 30 signs.  About 25 of them were a depiction of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) urinating on Pelosi.  Immature and stupid, and not fit for a children’s area.  Worse, about five of the signs were typical blue Trump signs, but underneath there was a slogan:  “F—- your feelings.”  Written out.  For children to see.

The idiots who put up that sign are actively harming society. It’s just spreading hate and discontent. Their goal in putting up the sign wasn’t advocacy, but rather to make others feel upset. Who does that?

And, in fairness, across the street from these signs was a neighbor who had 17 anti-Trump signs, many of them bordering on vulgar.  So, it’s not just the Trump voters.

Unfortunately, most only see those people. The loud, vulgar ones. So they think that's pretty much Trump's base. I know many Trump supporters and can tell you the obnoxious ones are definitely a tiny minority. I'm not even sure they are the most truly politically engaged. They are just gladly tribal. One guy I know is like this with everything from sports to politics. It's almost like he just happens to be a Trump supporter and has bought in 110%, rather than consider what that actually means.

What does it "Acutally mean" to be a Trump Supporter?

Again, as an outside, it seems like you want a stable economy, you want logical and obtainable change, you want to promote your country first and foremost and you want nothing to do with socialism.

The Socialist candidates have lost the Democratic Primary in both of these last two election cycles. If you listen to Trump and his special media, they will keep hammering home the Socialist angle; but Biden is a moderate, Hillary was a moderate. I do not believe in Socialism, but I fully believe in social equality and climate change, and can't imagine voting for a Republican with the state their party is in.

If we were talking John Kasich (Republican) versus Bernie Sanders (Democrat), I would likely be voting for Kasich in this election - and I don't think I am alone as a Biden voter in that regard. That is the real difference here. A lot of us just want things to settle down - the fear and hate that Trump has been propagating [on both sides] is just really unnerving.

I'm in total agreement.  Trump isn't just a massive egomaniac.  He is a bald-faced, unrepentant liar and a hugely destabilizing personality for the U.S. and the world.

All politicians lie.

This is a debunked false equivalence.  Trump is on record for an average of 50 lies every day -- well over 20,000 lies since he took office.  There are numerous sites that track lies by politicians -- not just Trump, but also many others including Democrats.   And nobody -- nobody -- is remotely close to the serial liar that Trump is.

He is a pathological liar.  A con man.

If that's a false equivalence then I think trying to accumulate the number of individual lies to indicate trustworthiness is probably a false discrepancy.

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I view Bernie as the far left. I view Trump as the the far right. Biden as moderate Democrat and the MA Governor a moderate Republican,  not a so called RINO as the propaganda machine spews. Libertarian party policies from what I researched primarily benefits the rich and drug dealers/lovers. The green party, even though I support taking care of our world/environment (we only get 1 earth), seems like a bunch of uncompromising tree huggers. Then again,  we already have that with our 2 major parties. 

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I view Bernie as the far left. I view Trump as the the far right. Biden as moderate Democrat and the MA Governor a moderate Republican,  not a so called RINO as the propaganda machine spews. Libertarian party policies from what I researched primarily benefits the rich and drug dealers/lovers. The green party, even though I support taking care of our world/environment (we only get 1 earth), seems like a bunch of uncompromising tree huggers. Then again,  we already have that with our 2 major parties. 

Ted Cruz is far right and an ideologue like Bernie.  I wouldn't call Trump far right and he's certainly not an ideologue.  Trump is all about Trump.  He's his own kind of crazy.