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Trump's America
« on: September 28, 2020, 06:03:14 PM »

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I am posting this in reply to comments between me and Erik in the RBG thread so as to not take that tread off-topic.

Erik, yes BLM has been around before the Trump presidency and so has racism and violence and riots and looting. None of that is new. What is new though is we have a President that cannot help but make these matters worse. He is a blow-hard, a bully and a flamethrower. He is absolutely the worst person I can imagine leading our country through the turmoil we are in. He brings out and emboldens the very worst in both the left and the right. Nobody is immune to it, including myself. I like to think of myself and a pretty calm person but far too often I now I see things that make me legitimately angry…I would hazard a guess that that goes for many other people on this board.

I said during the 2016 election that Trump was the most dangerous candidate of my lifetime. Fours years later I am confident that I was right. We are far more divided as a nation now that we have been in my 48 years. The hatred and violence is everywhere.

President Trump only makes matters worse. He is incapable of bringing people together and he just cannot seem to help but make matters worse. His campaign depends on fear and distrust. Fear of immigrants, fear of the evil Socialist democrats, distrust of our own government, fear and distrust of the fake main stream media etc, etc… . He has openly invited violence on a number of occasions. He continuously insults people. He has created a rage and hatred in followers and opponents alike.

Fear, hatred and a violence were around before Trump but like the amp in Spinal Tap, he has turned it up to 11. The longer he is President the worse these things will be. As a country we are more angry, more hateful, more violent and uglier…THIS is Trump’s America and I am sad for our country…
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Re: Trump's America
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 06:05:36 PM »

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Lead by example.

...that’s all I am saying.

Re: Trump's America
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2020, 11:44:26 AM »

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I am posting this in reply to comments between me and Erik in the RBG thread so as to not take that tread off-topic.

Erik, yes BLM has been around before the Trump presidency and so has racism and violence and riots and looting. None of that is new. What is new though is we have a President that cannot help but make these matters worse. He is a blow-hard, a bully and a flamethrower. He is absolutely the worst person I can imagine leading our country through the turmoil we are in. He brings out and emboldens the very worst in both the left and the right. Nobody is immune to it, including myself. I like to think of myself and a pretty calm person but far too often I now I see things that make me legitimately angry…I would hazard a guess that that goes for many other people on this board.

I said during the 2016 election that Trump was the most dangerous candidate of my lifetime. Fours years later I am confident that I was right. We are far more divided as a nation now that we have been in my 48 years. The hatred and violence is everywhere.

President Trump only makes matters worse. He is incapable of bringing people together and he just cannot seem to help but make matters worse. His campaign depends on fear and distrust. Fear of immigrants, fear of the evil Socialist democrats, distrust of our own government, fear and distrust of the fake main stream media etc, etc… . He has openly invited violence on a number of occasions. He continuously insults people. He has created a rage and hatred in followers and opponents alike.

Fear, hatred and a violence were around before Trump but like the amp in Spinal Tap, he has turned it up to 11. The longer he is President the worse these things will be. As a country we are more angry, more hateful, more violent and uglier…THIS is Trump’s America and I am sad for our country…

Tommy point! More people should have the ability to see him this way and care about this more than whatever ulterior motives they have that allow them to justify enabling a person who behaves like this.

Re: Trump's America
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2020, 12:36:15 PM »

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Proud Boys are celebrating Trump's comments as a free pass to inflict violence on protestors. This isn't some kind of abstract commentary from me this is literally happening. 

Trump doesn't say a word about violence from far-right extremist groups and white supremacists, but insists that all violence comes from the left.

Trump doesn't care about unifying the country, and he doesn't care about governing a country. He cares about lining the pockets of himself and his supporters and saying or doing whatever he has to in order to make poor and middle class white people more scared of their neighbors than they are of those in power.

He's pretending a protest in Portland is bigger threat to American values than forced hysterectomies in detention centers.

He can't have a real debate with anyone, he has no idea what he's talking about. Also, he has no plan beyond things that average voters would turn their noses at or just flat out not understand.

He doesn't care about the 200,000 covid deaths or that most of them are/were avoidable.

He's not going to change on anything above in his second term. He'll just double down on the stuff nobody likes about him because he won't have to answer to anyone for re-election.

This is the cost of stacking the courts for republican voters who are smart enough to see through Trump's bullcrap. This is the pill that they have to swallow. To me, it is insane that people can do it. I understand voting for him once, nobody could know for sure he'd be this bad and the open SC seat was a big deal. But now Trump's got 2 seats down and stacked the lower courts for decades to come, and he's about to get a 3rd. The cost is simply the disintegration of trust and unity and reputation of us as a country.

And the alternative is Joe Biden. We couldn't have picked a more moderate choice. Will it matter?

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Re: Trump's America
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2020, 12:59:59 PM »

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Multiple people have said that Trump has condemned white supremacy during his presidency. He has not done it and said 'I (DJT)..."Listen to the exchange between a FOX NEWS reporter and the WH Press secretary.
https://youtu.be/QUDoZXo2jSU

If you listen closely, the statements are 'we'....she NEVER says 'I' (Trump).

You know it's bad when even Fox News is trying to get him to outright say it.

Re: Trump's America
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2020, 01:14:54 PM »

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Re: Trump's America
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2020, 01:15:36 PM »

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Trump has condemned white supremacy MANY times, including during the debates prior to him winning the nomination when Chris Wallace was the moderator as well as following Charlottesville.  The left wing media is driving a narrative that holds zero basis in fact and is easily proved false.

Re: Trump's America
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2020, 01:20:59 PM »

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Trump has condemned white supremacy MANY times, including during the debates prior to him winning the nomination when Chris Wallace was the moderator as well as following Charlottesville.  The left wing media is driving a narrative that holds zero basis in fact and is easily proved false.

Ok let's say you're correct.

Then why in the WORLD are Proud Boys and their ilk celebrating like it's 1999 Prince style?
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Re: Trump's America
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2020, 01:36:07 PM »

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Trump has condemned white supremacy MANY times, including during the debates prior to him winning the nomination when Chris Wallace was the moderator as well as following Charlottesville.  The left wing media is driving a narrative that holds zero basis in fact and is easily proved false.

I have never heard Trump condemn white supremacy.  Even now his response is I don't know who the Proud Boys are just like he didn't know who David Duke is.  You can say he has condemned white supremacy many times but tell me where and when has he done this without hedging or limiting, confusing his response? The other night Wallace and Biden both said "do it condemn white supremacy" and he obfuscated he never gave a direct answer thus the uproar now.  I believe he thinks the white supremacists vote for him and he wants to keep their vote instead of doing what is right.
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Re: Trump's America
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2020, 01:37:39 PM »

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My comment is not debatable because it is based on facts, Trump has condemned white supremacy MANY times.  The proud boys are not a racist organization they are a right wing group that confronts violent/destructive left wing groups.

Re: Trump's America
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2020, 01:40:33 PM »

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My comment is not debatable because it is based on facts, Trump has condemned white supremacy MANY times.  The proud boys are not a racist organization they are a right wing group that confronts violent/destructive left wing groups.

Oracle us some facts.  Where and when did he condemn white supremacy and what words did he use?
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Re: Trump's America
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2020, 01:43:40 PM »

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My comment is not debatable because it is based on facts, Trump has condemned white supremacy MANY times.  The proud boys are not a racist organization they are a right wing group that confronts violent/destructive left wing groups.

Simply post your facts in links for us ALL to see, then.
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Re: Trump's America
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2020, 01:51:01 PM »

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My comment is not debatable because it is based on facts, Trump has condemned white supremacy MANY times.  The proud boys are not a racist organization they are a right wing group that confronts violent/destructive left wing groups.

Simply post your facts in links for us ALL to see, then.



Re: Trump's America
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2020, 01:51:03 PM »

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/30/chris-christie-defends-trump-debate-423610

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In a series of interviews and public statements Wednesday, Senate Republicans pushed Trump to clarify his comments, with party leaders and the rank-and-file eager to put distance between themselves and the president’s stance.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said that he shared the same views as Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), the only black GOP senator, who urged the president to correct his comments.

“He said it was unacceptable not to condemn white supremacy,” McConnell said. “And so, I do so in the strongest possible way.” Scott on Wednesday suggested the president may have misspoken but added: “If he doesn't correct it — I guess he didn't misspeak.”

GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close Trump ally, also aligned himself with his South Carolina colleague, tweeting that he agrees with "President Trump needing to make it clear Proud Boys is a racist organization antithetical to American ideals.”
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Re: Trump's America
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2020, 01:52:56 PM »

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Just go read Trump's full comments from Charlottesville (the good people on both sides speech).  It is a simple Google search away from you learning how fraudulent the left wing media has been in regard to Trump not condemning white supremacy.  He has done so many times throughout his Presidency and the media continues to lie and pretend he has not in order to drive their ridiculous, politically driven narrative.