Mandatory Gordon Hayward trade (your ideas)

[SHAQATTACK]

Blake Griffin, anyone?

Detroit's motivation would be because, starting next season, Blake would have twp years remaining to Hayward's one remaining year.

He's more injury-prone than anyone on our roster, older than Hayward and is owed $75.5m over 2020-2022. No thanks. Preposterous amount of money and his play this season was straight up terrible. 16PPG, 5RPG, 3APG shooting 35% from the field and 24% from 3.

I think Blake is toast, and we do not want that contract

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[wiley]

Since I haven't seen it before I'll put my crappy idea in here...

(caveat that I don't go through with my fantasy trades of trading worthy Celtics to crappy situations or places they don't want to be....that's Danny's job... ....so unless Hayward begged Danny to to send him to Denver (a good situation by the way), then this wouldn't not be done by me).

This mutually agreed upon cutting ties trade would send Hayward to Denver for Millsap's final year and the Denver 1st, which is in the good guard portion of mocks).

Not equal value for us...but a restructuring...and adding one big.

[wiley]

Okay if Hayward being traded...then back to Utah...

https://tradenba.com/trades/yOJfdBNsY

Utah:  Thrilled with this trade
Wizards:  Thrilled to be out from Wall's contract
Philly:  Big gamble, out from Horford's and pick up two second rounders
Celtics:  Great for C's if moving on soon from Hayward


To Utah:  Hayward, Theis, C. Edwards
to Wizards:  Mike Conley, Mike Scott, Poirier, pick 30
To Sixers:  Wall, pick 47
To C's:  Horford, Bertans, Napier, pick 23, 2022 2cnd rounder pick from Utah


Utah:  Gordon and Mitchell are like PG's, and they can hire a new one...so no trouble losing Conley
          And they pick up Theis, major asset.  This deal is overly tilted to Utah

Wizards:  Out from Wall's contract and get pick 30.  Conley good combo with Beal.

Sixers:  Gamble on Wall's health.  Add a second round pick, Out from Horford's deal.

C's:  Losing Theis hurts, but Horford can defend and R. Williams is coming along...bring Kanter back,   
       play G. Will more.  A guard like Kira Lewis or Maxey or Terry  or Maledon at 23.  Paul Reed or a 
       center at 26 (or Poku to stash or trade it for a pick next year)


C's Roster:

Kemba, Maxey, Napier, Waters
Smart, Romeo, Brown, Maxey
Brown, S. Bey, Tatum, Romeo
Tatum, Bertans, S. Bey, Reed/Poku stash, G. Will
Horford, R. Williams, Kanter, G. Will, Taco

Hard to find minutes...very deep so future moves very doable.


Edited so Wizards keep pick 37.  Or not whatever people think of value of getting out from Wall's contract.

[gouki88]

Okay if Hayward being traded...then back to Utah...

https://tradenba.com/trades/yOJfdBNsY

Utah:  Thrilled with this trade
Wizards:  Thrilled to be out from Wall's contract
Philly:  Big gamble, out from Horford's and pick up two second rounders
Celtics:  Great for C's if moving on soon from Hayward


To Utah:  Hayward, Theis, C. Edwards
to Wizards:  Mike Conley, Mike Scott, Poirier, pick 30
To Sixers:  Wall, pick 47
To C's:  Horford, Bertans, Napier, pick 23, 2022 2cnd rounder pick from Utah


Utah:  Gordon and Mitchell are like PG's, and they can hire a new one...so no trouble losing Conley
          And they pick up Theis, major asset.  This deal is overly tilted to Utah

Wizards:  Out from Wall's contract and get pick 30.  Conley good combo with Beal.

Sixers:  Gamble on Wall's health.  Add a second round pick, Out from Horford's deal.

C's:  Losing Theis hurts, but Horford can defend and R. Williams is coming along...bring Kanter back,   
       play G. Will more.  A guard like Kira Lewis or Maxey or Terry  or Maledon at 23.  Paul Reed or a 
       center at 26 (or Poku to stash or trade it for a pick next year)


C's Roster:

Kemba, Maxey, Napier, Waters
Smart, Romeo, Brown, Maxey
Brown, S. Bey, Tatum, Romeo
Tatum, Bertans, S. Bey, Reed/Poku stash, G. Will
Horford, R. Williams, Kanter, G. Will, Taco

Hard to find minutes...very deep so future moves very doable.


Edited so Wizards keep pick 37.  Or not whatever people think of value of getting out from Wall's contract.

This is a really really bad trade for us.

Bertans is an upcoming FA who will likely get seriously paid, so not sure how he fits into the trade. Shabazz Napier is an ok bench point guard. Al Horford is worse than Theis and gets paid over $25m a year. None of those guys come close to being as useful for this team as Hayward or Theis

Utah and Philly make out like absolute bandits, while it is a brutally bad deal for Boston and a meh deal for Washington

[wiley]

Okay if Hayward being traded...then back to Utah...

https://tradenba.com/trades/yOJfdBNsY

Utah:  Thrilled with this trade
Wizards:  Thrilled to be out from Wall's contract
Philly:  Big gamble, out from Horford's and pick up two second rounders
Celtics:  Great for C's if moving on soon from Hayward


To Utah:  Hayward, Theis, C. Edwards
to Wizards:  Mike Conley, Mike Scott, Poirier, pick 30
To Sixers:  Wall, pick 47
To C's:  Horford, Bertans, Napier, pick 23, 2022 2cnd rounder pick from Utah


Utah:  Gordon and Mitchell are like PG's, and they can hire a new one...so no trouble losing Conley
          And they pick up Theis, major asset.  This deal is overly tilted to Utah

Wizards:  Out from Wall's contract and get pick 30.  Conley good combo with Beal.

Sixers:  Gamble on Wall's health.  Add a second round pick, Out from Horford's deal.

C's:  Losing Theis hurts, but Horford can defend and R. Williams is coming along...bring Kanter back,   
       play G. Will more.  A guard like Kira Lewis or Maxey or Terry  or Maledon at 23.  Paul Reed or a 
       center at 26 (or Poku to stash or trade it for a pick next year)


C's Roster:

Kemba, Maxey, Napier, Waters
Smart, Romeo, Brown, Maxey
Brown, S. Bey, Tatum, Romeo
Tatum, Bertans, S. Bey, Reed/Poku stash, G. Will
Horford, R. Williams, Kanter, G. Will, Taco

Hard to find minutes...very deep so future moves very doable.


Edited so Wizards keep pick 37.  Or not whatever people think of value of getting out from Wall's contract.

This is a really really bad trade for us.

Bertans is an upcoming FA who will likely get seriously paid, so not sure how he fits into the trade. Shabazz Napier is an ok bench point guard. Al Horford is worse than Theis and gets paid over $25m a year. None of those guys come close to being as useful for this team as Hayward or Theis

Utah and Philly make out like absolute bandits, while it is a brutally bad deal for Boston and a meh deal for Washington

I accept your analysis with no objections
Didn't know that about Bertans....and...I think you're right about Theis verses Horford at this point...age is a killer.

[gouki88]

Okay if Hayward being traded...then back to Utah...

https://tradenba.com/trades/yOJfdBNsY

Utah:  Thrilled with this trade
Wizards:  Thrilled to be out from Wall's contract
Philly:  Big gamble, out from Horford's and pick up two second rounders
Celtics:  Great for C's if moving on soon from Hayward


To Utah:  Hayward, Theis, C. Edwards
to Wizards:  Mike Conley, Mike Scott, Poirier, pick 30
To Sixers:  Wall, pick 47
To C's:  Horford, Bertans, Napier, pick 23, 2022 2cnd rounder pick from Utah


Utah:  Gordon and Mitchell are like PG's, and they can hire a new one...so no trouble losing Conley
          And they pick up Theis, major asset.  This deal is overly tilted to Utah

Wizards:  Out from Wall's contract and get pick 30.  Conley good combo with Beal.

Sixers:  Gamble on Wall's health.  Add a second round pick, Out from Horford's deal.

C's:  Losing Theis hurts, but Horford can defend and R. Williams is coming along...bring Kanter back,   
       play G. Will more.  A guard like Kira Lewis or Maxey or Terry  or Maledon at 23.  Paul Reed or a 
       center at 26 (or Poku to stash or trade it for a pick next year)


C's Roster:

Kemba, Maxey, Napier, Waters
Smart, Romeo, Brown, Maxey
Brown, S. Bey, Tatum, Romeo
Tatum, Bertans, S. Bey, Reed/Poku stash, G. Will
Horford, R. Williams, Kanter, G. Will, Taco

Hard to find minutes...very deep so future moves very doable.


Edited so Wizards keep pick 37.  Or not whatever people think of value of getting out from Wall's contract.

This is a really really bad trade for us.

Bertans is an upcoming FA who will likely get seriously paid, so not sure how he fits into the trade. Shabazz Napier is an ok bench point guard. Al Horford is worse than Theis and gets paid over $25m a year. None of those guys come close to being as useful for this team as Hayward or Theis

Utah and Philly make out like absolute bandits, while it is a brutally bad deal for Boston and a meh deal for Washington

I accept your analysis with no objections
Didn't know that about Bertans....and...I think you're right about Theis verses Horford at this point...age is a killer.

Yeah, Bertans is a sneaky one, I think some desperate team will try and get him with an overpay. I wanted us to try and trade for him before the deadline but now that he's a free agent it's too tricky.

It's sad, but Horford just looks completely wrecked.

[NKY fan]

How about Hayward, Romeo, Carsen plus poirier
For Brogdon plus Myles Turner ?

We sent all the Indiana guys back home and get proven playoff vets at positions of need plus won’t have to deal with Hayward extension or any extensions other than Tatum.

From what I read both those guys are not super happy in Indiana plus if pacers commit to Oladipo Max extension they have to make so difficult roster decisions.
If Brogdon proves to be healthy and happy here maybe we can start thinking about what to do with Kemba and his problematic knees.. do we manage his minutes and keep him fresh for the playoffs or just trade him to a team that can send us a difference making big man...

[Sophomore]

How about Hayward, Romeo, Carsen plus poirier
For Brogdon plus Myles Turner ?

We sent all the Indiana guys back home and get proven playoff vets at positions of need plus won’t have to deal with Hayward extension or any extensions other than Tatum.

From what I read both those guys are not super happy in Indiana plus if pacers commit to Oladipo Max extension they have to make so difficult roster decisions.
If Brogdon proves to be healthy and happy here maybe we can start thinking about what to do with Kemba and his problematic knees.. do we manage his minutes and keep him fresh for the playoffs or just trade him to a team that can send us a difference making big man...

If the Pacers did that I’d be over the moon. To me, the deal is pretty unbalanced in favor of the Cs imo. Brogdon is a very good player - given health issues/age I’d rather have him than Hayward, straight up, and Turner is (ahem) miles better than Poirier and our unproven rookies.

[NKY fan]

How about Hayward, Romeo, Carsen plus poirier
For Brogdon plus Myles Turner ?

We sent all the Indiana guys back home and get proven playoff vets at positions of need plus won’t have to deal with Hayward extension or any extensions other than Tatum.

From what I read both those guys are not super happy in Indiana plus if pacers commit to Oladipo Max extension they have to make so difficult roster decisions.
If Brogdon proves to be healthy and happy here maybe we can start thinking about what to do with Kemba and his problematic knees.. do we manage his minutes and keep him fresh for the playoffs or just trade him to a team that can send us a difference making big man...

If the Pacers did that I’d be over the moon. To me, the deal is pretty unbalanced in favor of the Cs imo. Brogdon is a very good player - given health issues/age I’d rather have him than Hayward, straight up, and Turner is (ahem) miles better than Poirier and our unproven rookies.

We can throw in a pick or two from this years draft unless Danny values those highly.

[jambr380]

How about Hayward, Romeo, Carsen plus poirier
For Brogdon plus Myles Turner ?

We sent all the Indiana guys back home and get proven playoff vets at positions of need plus won’t have to deal with Hayward extension or any extensions other than Tatum.

From what I read both those guys are not super happy in Indiana plus if pacers commit to Oladipo Max extension they have to make so difficult roster decisions.
If Brogdon proves to be healthy and happy here maybe we can start thinking about what to do with Kemba and his problematic knees.. do we manage his minutes and keep him fresh for the playoffs or just trade him to a team that can send us a difference making big man...

If the Pacers did that I’d be over the moon. To me, the deal is pretty unbalanced in favor of the Cs imo. Brogdon is a very good player - given health issues/age I’d rather have him than Hayward, straight up, and Turner is (ahem) miles better than Poirier and our unproven rookies.

Yeah, I think in a Pacers deal, we would be looking at Turner OR Brogdon for a similar package to what was presented (yes, I know we would need to match salaries - maybe throw in McDermott or Lamb). I don't think there is any way we get both of those players, unless Indy is super-high on Romeo, or we include much more appealing pieces.

[the_gunner]

I have a trade idea that many of you might find stupid, but I believe that Stevens can turn raw talent into diamonds so please look at the perspective in this trade.

What about a trade around Aaron Gordon and Markelle Fultz.

Aaron Gordons contract is getting better all the time and Fultz only have one year left of his huge rookie contract.

Fultz could give us the spark from the bench and if he releases his potential he can pressure Kemba in a few years time if not before that.

Gordon need consistency, but he has so many tools that it's just a matter of time before he succeeds in the hands of a great coach.

Both players need to work on there shooting, but if Smart can hit 5 3's in a row then anybody can become great shooters in the hands of Stevens.

[gouki88]

I have a trade idea that many of you might find stupid, but I believe that Stevens can turn raw talent into diamonds so please look at the perspective in this trade.

What about a trade around Aaron Gordon and Markelle Fultz.

Aaron Gordons contract is getting better all the time and Fultz only have one year left of his huge rookie contract.

Fultz could give us the spark from the bench and if he releases his potential he can pressure Kemba in a few years time if not before that.

Gordon need consistency, but he has so many tools that it's just a matter of time before he succeeds in the hands of a great coach.

Both players need to work on there shooting, but if Smart can hit 5 3's in a row then anybody can become great shooters in the hands of Stevens.

I like the fit of Aaron Gordon here, mainly because we'd allow him to play the PF spot full-time. His passing has also become quite good. That being said, he is still quite inefficient, but continues to shoot ill-advised shots. Taking Fultz and making him reach his potential would be hilarious in my opinion.

However, from Orlando I'd most like Vucevic. His last 2 years have been great

[wiley]

I have a trade idea that many of you might find stupid, but I believe that Stevens can turn raw talent into diamonds so please look at the perspective in this trade.

What about a trade around Aaron Gordon and Markelle Fultz.

Aaron Gordons contract is getting better all the time and Fultz only have one year left of his huge rookie contract.

Fultz could give us the spark from the bench and if he releases his potential he can pressure Kemba in a few years time if not before that.

Gordon need consistency, but he has so many tools that it's just a matter of time before he succeeds in the hands of a great coach.

Both players need to work on there shooting, but if Smart can hit 5 3's in a row then anybody can become great shooters in the hands of Stevens.

Not a bad idea...I like it positionally.  But Hayward more valuable imo...

[Ogaju]

Celtics getting to the point that the team does not have a heirachy. Too many players on the same level of stardom. If it is mandatory that you trade any one of the stars make sure it is to get complimentary pieces that shore up the bench. The team does not need any more stars competing for touches. Team is already paying big money to three players and soon to add Tatum as a fourth. Team has enough stars.

[gouki88]

Celtics getting to the point that the team does not have a heirachy. Too many players on the same level of stardom. If it is mandatory that you trade any one of the stars make sure it is to get complimentary pieces that shore up the bench. The team does not need any more stars competing for touches. Team is already paying big money to three players and soon to add Tatum as a fourth. Team has enough stars.

I think in the right offence numerous stars can work. Golden State and Miami showed that. It just seems that might not have the right offence in place to always fully take advantage.

However, last night we generated 20+ open 3s and missed 15 or so of them, so maybe our offence is good, and our stars aren't quite reliable yet