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VP Kamala Harris / The Democratic Convention
« on: April 16, 2020, 11:31:22 PM »

Offline Ogaju

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This one is easy because he has already said it is going to be a woman.

I already posted here that my choice for his VP is HRC but after testing this choice I have learned how unforgiving of 'losers' the country seems to be even when that 'loser' has 60 million votes in the bag and a three million vote majority in the last election. Most people I sampled would not even consider HRC. If that is the case perhaps neither will Biden.

The name that keeps coming up is Kamala Harris. Folks, she is fails the most important test for a Biden VP - ready on day 1. Biden's VP for obvious reasons must be ready on day 1. She most like will be the de facto president. This is why I believe HRC to be the natural choice, but I have stopped believing that will happen. It will be a pleasant surprise if it does, but I have moved on to the next natural choice - Stacey Abram. That woman is smart and she will be a quick study. I cannot say she will be ready on day 1, but she checks a lot of boxes.

Who are your choices?
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Re: Time to handicap potential VEEP candidates for Biden
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It's going to be Kamala Harris but I'd rather Elizabeth Warren.

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It's going to be Kamala Harris but I'd rather Elizabeth Warren.

Warren VP
Harris AG

or at least that is my completely random guess.

Re: Time to handicap potential VEEP candidates for Biden
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Klobuchar would be my ideal choice. Warren would be my worst case scenario.

I'd also be okay with Tulsi, but she's probably not even on Biden's radar.

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Been saying for awhile I think it will be Gretchen Whitmer
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If Mrs. Harris doesn't get VEEP she's going to the U.S. Supreme Court, I hope...

Either way we're going to have a smart, empathetic, common sense group of folks here in about 9 months.
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Re: Time to handicap potential VEEP candidates for Biden
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I understand a lot of the names, but can somebody explain what makes Stacey Abrams remotely qualified?  Besides “black woman”, of course.

She’s had an impressive career for an average person.  But for VP (and very possibly President), not so much.  Failed candidate for governor; served several terms in her state legislature.

No executive experience, no national legislative experience. 

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I think it'll Grethen Whitmer depending on how this insurrection in Michigan plays out.  after her, I'd put Kamala Harris second and Klobuchar third.

I could totally see Harris getting the AG nomination.   Wouldn't be surprised to see Warren and Klobuchar getting cabinet positions if they aren't the VP selections.

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The candidate I wanted is not eligible....found that she was born in Canada....Jennifer Grandholm  former governor of Michigan

If it's Abrams or Warren, I'll abstain

Re: Time to handicap potential VEEP candidates for Biden
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I think it'll Grethen Whitmer depending on how this insurrection in Michigan plays out.  after her, I'd put Kamala Harris second and Klobuchar third.

I could totally see Harris getting the AG nomination.   Wouldn't be surprised to see Warren and Klobuchar getting cabinet positions if they aren't the VP selections.

Your scenario plucks three Democrats from the Senate so it only happens if those are considered safe seats for the Democrats. One thing for sure in all of this is that Kamala Harris is on the move. She will be VP, AG, or S. Ct. I dont think she is ready for VP or experienced enough, but everyone seems to like her especially President Obama. Not sure Biden would pick a fierce opponent as AG you need a fierce ally in that office. Maybe she get the SCOTUS.

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Kamala Harris would be fine as an AG.  I understand the appeal as VP.

But Supreme Court?  First, she’d have to recuse herself from any legislation she voted on.  Second, she’d further politicize the Court.  Third, she’s under qualified.
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I think Biden-Klobuchar may have been my initial choice way back in the early days.  I soured from Biden for a while and then returned.  But I’ve always been pretty high on Amy.   I think she is a solid choice from the correct part of the country - right age, right experience level - seems like a person who can handle the job.   Not sure if Biden likes her or not — as in personally likes her — as I think that might matter to him. 

Too bad that I don’t like Warren because there are aspects of her abilities that I think rise high in this field.   Not crazy about Kamala as a strong enough voice or personality - she lacks something to me at that level of office. 

I see no one as a slam dunk choice. 

Re: Time to handicap potential VEEP candidates for Biden
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If it is really down to Warren, Klobachar, Harris and Gretchen Whitmer then it seems like a pretty strong group.

I think any one of them could be a great VP.   They have vastly different strengths and weaknesses both experience wise and politically though. 

If you want a VP pick to help in the general election Whitmer could help filp Michigan back, and Klobachar might appeal across the board really well.  That might be the most important thing, I dunno.  Warren might (but might not) help bring in the Bernie people to not stay on the sidelines.  But lots of middle of the road voters might not want Warren.  I have been impressed by Whitmer's press conferences, she seems intelligent and thoughtful (I know that is no way to judge her potential ability as a VP, but that is all the info I have on her)

If you are picking someone to step in if something bad happened to Joe, I think it is a different choice.  If I had to choose who I think is best prepared to be President, I would say Warren.  I think she has the best combination of knowledge, poise, empathy, experience, toughness and best handle on policy to be able to step in if something terrible happens.

I was honestly surprised when Biden announced he was selecting a female for VP so early in the process.  But there are so many qualified women, and his best options all seem like women anyway, so maybe it wasn't even that big of a move to make.

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This one is easy because he has already said it is going to be a woman.

I already posted here that my choice for his VP is HRC but after testing this choice I have learned how unforgiving of 'losers' the country seems to be even when that 'loser' has 60 million votes in the bag and a three million vote majority in the last election. Most people I sampled would not even consider HRC. If that is the case perhaps neither will Biden.

The name that keeps coming up is Kamala Harris. Folks, she is fails the most important test for a Biden VP - ready on day 1. Biden's VP for obvious reasons must be ready on day 1. She most like will be the de facto president. This is why I believe HRC to be the natural choice, but I have stopped believing that will happen. It will be a pleasant surprise if it does, but I have moved on to the next natural choice - Stacey Abram. That woman is smart and she will be a quick study. I cannot say she will be ready on day 1, but she checks a lot of boxes.

Who are your choices?
Just FYI, my opinions below are based on electoral strategy, not the potential VPs skills or how good a job they would do.

The problem with HRC isn't that she's a 'loser'. The most important rule for choice of VP, from an strategic standpoint, is 'do no harm'. Obviously one needs to choose someone that can fulfill the duties of president if called upon. But from the standpoint of the election a candidate needs to choose a VP that doesn't hurt the ticket. All the talk of who can help the ticket is really overblown. The VP choice has essentially no positive effect on a candidate's chance of winning, but a flawed candidate can hurt.

Hilary's main problem is that Republicans hate her as much as Democrats hate Trump, which means she fires up their base and helps them get the vote out. A less divisive candidate like Klobuchar or Harris won't have that problem. Warren might make liberals happy, but in truth liberals will hold their noses and vote for Biden anyways and while she doesn't have Hilary's negatives, she is also disliked by Republicans so she is not a great choice. Biden shouldn't worry about who can help the ticket and focus instead on who is least likely to hurt. People vote for the presidential candidate not the VP candidate.