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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #5310 on: October 17, 2020, 12:39:36 PM »

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New Zealanders seem pretty happy with what their government is doing, esp regarding Covid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/new-zealand-election-results-jacinda-ardern-labour-win-f80625a6-4b19-45b3-ac31-972e648cd753.html

New Zealand, in an effort to get back lost income from international tourism, gave every working citizen a couple extra weeks of paid vacation to encourage citizen tourism. Itís working.

Not sure how anyone can say NZ has done a bad job with Covid, esp someone from the US.
I think most on here agree that communist countries are better equipped to fight off pandemics. China basically crushed the virus in 2 months. I still donít quite get how they were able to keep it in one province and the rest of the country basically had no outbreaks.

But socialism ( which is what NZ is, not communist) is evil, right? Except for the fact that the General populace is healthy and happy.  ::)

NZ is also an island nation without huge population densities. They have some built in ďadvantagesĒ in dealing w a pandemic. The US is one of the richest nations in the world. Not all countries are dealt the same hand, so what?

If there are winners and losers, right now NZ has done great w the hand theyíve been dealt and meanwhile the US is a dysfunctional mess of selfish people that canít get on the same page to save some lives because our gvmt has trouble even looking at the cards.
If your goals in life are to live carefree and healthy while waiting tables for a living or creating pivot tables in your office jobs you go to NZ.
If you want more of your life and career you move to the US.

There are different points of view. Itís up to the individual to interpret which society organization type is evil or not.

LOL! Yeah...NZ is a nation of 5mil unprofessional people Doing nothing w their lives But Iím sure you didnít mean to insult anyone...

And arenít you an actuary or something like that? No Pivot tables for you?

BTW NZ is the most beautiful, varied and amazing place Iíve ever visited. Anything you could want in a geographical and economical way exists in NZ.

Oh...and to stay on topic, they are currently Covid free.
Didnít mean to insult and yes no pivot tables anymore lol.
I agree NZ is beautiful and diverse but all that is there you can pretty much find in USA on a bigger scale.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #5311 on: October 17, 2020, 12:42:10 PM »

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New Zealanders seem pretty happy with what their government is doing, esp regarding Covid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/new-zealand-election-results-jacinda-ardern-labour-win-f80625a6-4b19-45b3-ac31-972e648cd753.html

New Zealand, in an effort to get back lost income from international tourism, gave every working citizen a couple extra weeks of paid vacation to encourage citizen tourism. Itís working.

Not sure how anyone can say NZ has done a bad job with Covid, esp someone from the US.
I think most on here agree that communist countries are better equipped to fight off pandemics. China basically crushed the virus in 2 months. I still donít quite get how they were able to keep it in one province and the rest of the country basically had no outbreaks.

But socialism ( which is what NZ is, not communist) is evil, right? Except for the fact that the General populace is healthy and happy.  ::)

NZ is also an island nation without huge population densities. They have some built in ďadvantagesĒ in dealing w a pandemic. The US is one of the richest nations in the world. Not all countries are dealt the same hand, so what?

If there are winners and losers, right now NZ has done great w the hand theyíve been dealt and meanwhile the US is a dysfunctional mess of selfish people that canít get on the same page to save some lives because our gvmt has trouble even looking at the cards.
If your goals in life are to live carefree and healthy while waiting tables for a living or creating pivot tables in your office jobs you go to NZ.
If you want more of your life and career you move to the US.

There are different points of view. Itís up to the individual to interpret which society organization type is evil or not.

The older I get the more convinced I am that my ideal is modified capitalism that has a socialistic approach in specific areas (education, healthcare, support for those in need, environment, security). I also believe the system needs to be consciously adaptable - sometimes mor conservative and sometimes more progressive depending on circumstances.  Modified capitalism is my term for strategically regulated to incentivize small business growth and entrepreneurship and to be concurrently cognizant of environment, wages, work conditions, fair taxation, getting responsibility for healthcare out of businesses ...   Finding the right balance is always the challenge but I do believe progressives and conservatives need to stop being afraid of one another and be willing to find common ground and learn from one another.


I think if it wasnít for politics weíd be in a far better place both health wise and economically right now - and we wouldnít be looking at a huge spike of Covid over the upcoming months.
No I agree with you Neurotic. I also think that as much as people hate big pharmaceutical companies - they have the know how and will develop a vaccine and an eventual solution to this crisis.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #5312 on: October 17, 2020, 04:24:13 PM »

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New Zealanders seem pretty happy with what their government is doing, esp regarding Covid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/new-zealand-election-results-jacinda-ardern-labour-win-f80625a6-4b19-45b3-ac31-972e648cd753.html

New Zealand, in an effort to get back lost income from international tourism, gave every working citizen a couple extra weeks of paid vacation to encourage citizen tourism. Itís working.

Not sure how anyone can say NZ has done a bad job with Covid, esp someone from the US.
I think most on here agree that communist countries are better equipped to fight off pandemics. China basically crushed the virus in 2 months. I still donít quite get how they were able to keep it in one province and the rest of the country basically had no outbreaks.

But socialism ( which is what NZ is, not communist) is evil, right? Except for the fact that the General populace is healthy and happy.  ::)

NZ is also an island nation without huge population densities. They have some built in ďadvantagesĒ in dealing w a pandemic. The US is one of the richest nations in the world. Not all countries are dealt the same hand, so what?

If there are winners and losers, right now NZ has done great w the hand theyíve been dealt and meanwhile the US is a dysfunctional mess of selfish people that canít get on the same page to save some lives because our gvmt has trouble even looking at the cards.

New Zealand is a democracy, same as the US.  They may have government health care and perhaps they even pay for college for those who get accepted (thus the "socialist" label) but this has nothing to do with the level of personal liberty that is granted or expected by the populace.  If voters think the politicians went overboard with restrictions related to COVID or anything else, those leaders suffer the consequences in the next election.  China is different in terms of government control over citizens but that is another story altogether.

In fact, the reaction in New Zealand was just the opposite.  The incumbent Prime Minister and ruling party just won the election in a landslide.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54519628
« Last Edit: October 17, 2020, 04:40:13 PM by Vermont Green »

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #5313 on: October 17, 2020, 05:11:26 PM »

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New Zealanders seem pretty happy with what their government is doing, esp regarding Covid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/new-zealand-election-results-jacinda-ardern-labour-win-f80625a6-4b19-45b3-ac31-972e648cd753.html

New Zealand, in an effort to get back lost income from international tourism, gave every working citizen a couple extra weeks of paid vacation to encourage citizen tourism. Itís working.

Not sure how anyone can say NZ has done a bad job with Covid, esp someone from the US.
I think most on here agree that communist countries are better equipped to fight off pandemics. China basically crushed the virus in 2 months. I still donít quite get how they were able to keep it in one province and the rest of the country basically had no outbreaks.

But socialism ( which is what NZ is, not communist) is evil, right? Except for the fact that the General populace is healthy and happy.  ::)

NZ is also an island nation without huge population densities. They have some built in ďadvantagesĒ in dealing w a pandemic. The US is one of the richest nations in the world. Not all countries are dealt the same hand, so what?

If there are winners and losers, right now NZ has done great w the hand theyíve been dealt and meanwhile the US is a dysfunctional mess of selfish people that canít get on the same page to save some lives because our gvmt has trouble even looking at the cards.
If your goals in life are to live carefree and healthy while waiting tables for a living or creating pivot tables in your office jobs you go to NZ.
If you want more of your life and career you move to the US.

There are different points of view. Itís up to the individual to interpret which society organization type is evil or not.

LOL! Yeah...NZ is a nation of 5mil unprofessional people Doing nothing w their lives But Iím sure you didnít mean to insult anyone...

And arenít you an actuary or something like that? No Pivot tables for you?

BTW NZ is the most beautiful, varied and amazing place Iíve ever visited. Anything you could want in a geographical and economical way exists in NZ.

Oh...and to stay on topic, they are currently Covid free.
Didnít mean to insult and yes no pivot tables anymore lol.
I agree NZ is beautiful and diverse but all that is there you can pretty much find in USA on a bigger scale.


Unfortunately not. Some of the natural wonders in NZ just do not exist in the US. Same goes for some of its cultural history.  Each region, each country has their own unique beauty, the US in no way has everything that you can find elsewhere.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #5314 on: October 18, 2020, 12:38:08 AM »

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New Zealanders seem pretty happy with what their government is doing, esp regarding Covid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/new-zealand-election-results-jacinda-ardern-labour-win-f80625a6-4b19-45b3-ac31-972e648cd753.html

New Zealand, in an effort to get back lost income from international tourism, gave every working citizen a couple extra weeks of paid vacation to encourage citizen tourism. Itís working.

Not sure how anyone can say NZ has done a bad job with Covid, esp someone from the US.
I think most on here agree that communist countries are better equipped to fight off pandemics. China basically crushed the virus in 2 months. I still donít quite get how they were able to keep it in one province and the rest of the country basically had no outbreaks.

But socialism ( which is what NZ is, not communist) is evil, right? Except for the fact that the General populace is healthy and happy.  ::)

NZ is also an island nation without huge population densities. They have some built in ďadvantagesĒ in dealing w a pandemic. The US is one of the richest nations in the world. Not all countries are dealt the same hand, so what?

If there are winners and losers, right now NZ has done great w the hand theyíve been dealt and meanwhile the US is a dysfunctional mess of selfish people that canít get on the same page to save some lives because our gvmt has trouble even looking at the cards.

NZ is definitely not a communist country  ;D they're a parliamentary social democracy, same as Australia and the UK. Socialism is a very bad word in the US just because of how our country evolved, it was built on efforts of individuals who didn't want a far-off monarch, and later on a federal government, from interfering in what they wanted to do. So anything that feels like the government taking our money and giving it to someone else gets labelled as communist.

I lived in Australia for a number of years back in the 2000s and visited NZ (Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch) for work numerous times and to them, like to a lot of countries in Europe, having a social safety net that people contribute to is normal and part of living in a society which they want to keep egalitarian. I doubt they think of themselves as communist, particularly from a political point of view. Their standard of living is very high and most of them are happy with both their political system and their country and their trust in their political system and their government is much higher than we do with ours (which can be seen with how readily they follow government advice on lockdowns). But it's not for everyone, every country's history and motivators are different, so what works for them may not work here just because of those societal drivers that we have.

In fact imagine something like this happening here...in NZ in the just concluded election, one of the defeated candidates (from the National party) called the victor (from the Labour Party) to congratulate him, and was invited to the victory party to have a beer. They don't take themselves too seriously, these Kiwis and Aussies.



If this was here and a liberal showed up to a conservative's victory party or vice versa they would probably be taunted and have beer spilled on them, rather than being offered one to drink. The hate in our politics and the disdain we put on differing points of view have really gone to another level.

Also since they've just about eliminated the virus, they're allowed to have parties and drink beers in groups without worrying - I guess that's why they are/were willing to put up with some really draconian lockdowns  :-[
« Last Edit: October 18, 2020, 01:03:40 AM by ozgod »
Any odd typos are because I suck at typing on an iPhone :D

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #5315 on: Yesterday at 09:19:27 AM »

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So I went to a haunted trail walk Friday night which was super fun but quite interesting.  They lay out all these rules but barely any patrons were actually following the rules and nobody was really enforcing any of the rules either (they did take my temperature though).  It doesn't bother me but it sure was obvious the rules were nothing more than pretense allowing them to operate at all.  I'll honestly be surprised if there aren't complaints about how little enforcement there was.  Everybody was literally standing shoulder to shoulder waiting in line.