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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4890 on: July 11, 2020, 08:20:29 PM »

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Sadly this is becoming a trend lately in the US. Another young person dies from attending a covid-19 party:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/30-year-man-dies-attending-covid-party-thinking/story?id=71731414&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

Several other people in the 20-30 year old range who also attended the party are being treated at the same hospital with severe symptoms.
Finding it incredibly difficult to feel any pity for these people

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4891 on: July 11, 2020, 08:30:10 PM »

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757 covid deaths in US over 24 period. Thats more than the roughly 300 last Saturday (holiday), and 500 two Saturdays ago. Also nearly a 10% positive test rate today.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4892 on: July 11, 2020, 08:45:43 PM »

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Sadly this is becoming a trend lately in the US. Another young person dies from attending a covid-19 party:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/30-year-man-dies-attending-covid-party-thinking/story?id=71731414&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

Several other people in the 20-30 year old range who also attended the party are being treated at the same hospital with severe symptoms.
Finding it incredibly difficult to feel any pity for these people


I feel pity for them. They suffered badly from ignorance and from the bad leadership from their political leaders, particularly from the systemic attack on science and education that this current leadership has been promoting.

It's not surprising that a percentage of our population who turn on their tv or log in to their online news sources constantly hear that the virus is a hoax, 99% of people will be fine, Fauci and the medical experts are just making guesses, etc., are going to doubt the calls for precautions.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4893 on: July 12, 2020, 09:35:33 AM »

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757 covid deaths in US over 24 period. Thats more than the roughly 300 last Saturday (holiday), and 500 two Saturdays ago. Also nearly a 10% positive test rate today.

I look at Worldometers, which despite some intrusive ads is convenient, well laid-out, and sortable. They update constantly, directly from national and state sources, and end the day at midnight GMT - so the daily numbers are pretty much always a little different than other sources. I understand those who use Johns Hopkins (CNN does, for one) - and in fact Johns Hopkins gets data from Worldometers - but we should just recognize that people are going to cite different numbers from day to day.

Fwiw, Worldometers lists Saturday's new confirmed deaths at 722.

I'm not tracking national test positivity %, and I was surprised that it was as high as you cite; but on reflection it makes sense. The three most populous states have positivity %s of:

California 8.0% (a new high);
Florida 19.6% (tying their high); and
Texas 16.4% (a new high)

...as of last night.

In many ways the epidemic in the United States is really a lot of separate state or county epidemics. (Florida STILL does not have a state-wide mask mandate!) But that 10% figure that you cite for the nation is a clear signal that national action is required. 10% is a red line for epidemiologists - that's an out-of-control epidemic.

The first failure of national leadership, in January, February, and March, led to economic shutdowns. That did not have to be, and reducing people's income and bankrupting a lot of small businesses was the unfortunate cost of that failure. What is so inexplicable to me is that we have now had a second failure, whose economic cost will be significantly greater than the first.

New York, New Jersey, the District of Columbia, and the New England states, at least, appear to have learned the lessons of the first failure. Most of the rest of the country, alas, will have to take the test over again. And this is one test that you can't pay someone else to take for you.

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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4894 on: July 12, 2020, 11:43:41 AM »

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Wow....Florida with over 15,000 new cases today. Whatever Desantis and co. are doing is clearly not working.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4895 on: July 12, 2020, 11:49:17 AM »

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My gut feeling says we're in for a wild day today. Yesterday had over 62,000 cases in the U.S, which was the fourth straight day of 60,000+ new cases (or 3rd time in the last 4 days if you use Worldometer since they said Thursday was 59,000+, not more than 60,000)

Anyways, Florida already has reported 15,300+ new cases today. A new record not just in FL, but the entire country. No other state has recorded this high of a number on a single day. Not even NY (I think the highest NY had in a day was 12,800).

No idea if it's because of backlog, but either way that's A LOT of cases and a new record in FL, a state which seems to be setting records almost daily now. Texas may also set a record today as their state officials have said their upcoming releases on data could include backlogged numbers. Arizona I believe has also reported 2,500+ cases and about 86 deaths.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we got close to, or surpassed 70,000+ cases again today.

And remember, this is all on a Sunday, when numbers are usually the lowest during the week
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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4896 on: July 12, 2020, 01:21:36 PM »

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NH has had a meager 150 total new Covid cases in the last 7 days.  Only VT has had less.  Things are going quite well here in the grand scheme of things.

And now Trump, his minions, and all the protesters will descend on us tomorrow.  It'll be interesting to see if this has any effect or not.

I hear NH is reopening a lot of things back up soon.

Canobie Lake

Hampton Beach

Malls/restaurants

Hopefully people will stick with the masks, social distancing, and proper hygiene.

I live in Maine/NH and most restaurants have been open for a little while now without any dramatic spike in cases. The virus struggles to survive and reinfect from surfaces, as it is weakened when out of the human body. Really if everyone wore a mask and practiced basic distancing there would be very little transmission.

This has been a point of major frustration for me. The lockdowns have crushed many businesses, but the Governors never really enforced the mask requirements, which are what is needed to prevent said lockdowns. And the out-of-state quarantine requirements are a total joke. I live on a lake road and there have been out of state plates coming in and out all year. Mills and Sununu opted to strangle the economy instead of risking angering people over wearing a mask.

An early enforced face covering mandate would have saved the national economy trillions, and the local economy billions. Instead of getting a 1-month lockdown we got 3+ depending on the type of business. And some businesses will never recover.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4897 on: July 12, 2020, 01:31:13 PM »

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Australia gets 50 new cases and they panic they shut it down .

While in the USA ...50 small countries refuse to work together and take care of their states , lock down the sources , stop none essential travel between states.  Stop passenger srvice period ,  we are too weak to and stupid to do,what is right.  Close,the gyms , bars , none essential public places until it can be brought under control .It will just spiral out of control the way out state goverments are operating .  Nobody is in charge and no laws are being enforced ....so we will just all end up with covid.

It's incredibly sad and pathetic how dumb we are.

And the people in power just enable the insanity and ultimately the killing of fellow human beings.

We seldom have honest conversations anymore. The founders were pretty great thinkers to fashion our constitution, but as great as they were are we really to believe that they anticipated the realities of today. Why do we still prop of that constitution and act like zombies, instead of fixing the document to apply to present day realities?

Our politics is fast becoming a joke, we rely on celebrity instead of serious minded people. Our celebrity class is based on money, and we wonder why almost everything is about money.

The reason we have to open up so fast is that there is no social safety net. America is ALL about money and the country can not afford the shut down like other countries. That is the commentary that nobody wants to talk about, and it is not Trump's fault. He is just being scapegoated on this . This is a problem with the structure of our economy, Trump just happens to be the one in charge at this timel. Perhaps  another president would have been more empathetic but the fundamental  issues would still be the same.
Agree this crisis has revealed some massive chinks in our collective armor (though that does not get Trump off the hook for his incompetence). We are pitifully vulnerable to economic instability, especially in regards to the lack of a safety net.

Bernie and Yang both recognized the dangers beforehand. We need universal base income, and we need to find ways to stabilize the economic tower so it doesn't teeter quite so easily. Banks are still playing fast and loose with our money.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/coronavirus-banks-collapse/612247/

The coming depression might finally get something done on that front.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4898 on: July 12, 2020, 01:38:03 PM »

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757 covid deaths in US over 24 period. Thats more than the roughly 300 last Saturday (holiday), and 500 two Saturdays ago. Also nearly a 10% positive test rate today.

My mom got mortally ill a day or two before Christmas a couple years ago. She didn't get to see a specialist for several days.

Over the next year or so I realized that most doctors aren't around on weekends and holidays. That's almost certainly why the coronavirus death total drops on weekends.

Our health system is really messed up.

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« Reply #4899 on: July 12, 2020, 01:59:32 PM »

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This is also a kick in the arse that these young adults in Texas and Alabama are doing covid parties to see who gets infected first to win money and to think it's a hoax.

How much money have they won? Their life.
Was it a hoax? Ask their life.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4900 on: July 12, 2020, 02:01:01 PM »

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Sadly this is becoming a trend lately in the US. Another young person dies from attending a covid-19 party:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/30-year-man-dies-attending-covid-party-thinking/story?id=71731414&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

Several other people in the 20-30 year old range who also attended the party are being treated at the same hospital with severe symptoms.

These are the types of people hospitals and clinics should not waste their PPE and testing supplies on

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4901 on: July 12, 2020, 02:10:43 PM »

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I'm still waiting for some kind of national coronavirus plan. I've been waiting since February. I guess somehow Obama is stopping Trump from invoking the Defense Production Act to make sure schools, hospitals, and industry have total access to personal protective equipment.  I guess Obama is stopping Trump from mandating health guidelines, rather than just offering guidance which he changes depending on his mood. If the government was run like a private business Trump would already be gone.

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« Reply #4902 on: July 12, 2020, 02:15:57 PM »

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757 covid deaths in US over 24 period. Thats more than the roughly 300 last Saturday (holiday), and 500 two Saturdays ago. Also nearly a 10% positive test rate today.

My mom got mortally ill a day or two before Christmas a couple years ago. She didn't get to see a specialist for several days.

Over the next year or so I realized that most doctors aren't around on weekends and holidays. That's almost certainly why the coronavirus death total drops on weekends.

Our health system is really messed up.

yup ,  your screwed if you need help after 5 pm Friday s

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4903 on: July 12, 2020, 02:20:56 PM »

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i expect we ll see 75k case day yet

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4904 on: July 12, 2020, 02:53:52 PM »

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i expect we ll see 75k case day yet

Fucci said that it may go to 100,000 a day. The White House meanwhile is trying to discredit Fauci.