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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4005 on: May 25, 2020, 06:25:01 PM »

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^ That Florida story was shown to be fake news...

No, not really. Her story looks legit - but even if it weren’t that doesn’t make the news stories fake.

She created a highly-functional portal that gave access to underlying downloadable data. The loss of all that is a blow to epidemiologists, of course; Dr. Birx, among others, cited Ms. Jones’ Florida dashboard as exemplary (oddly, despite this achievement, her department also accused her of incompetence). But what she specifically complained about was that her superiors wanted to no longer show positivity %s by county, since they couldn’t be ‘opened’ until they had declining numbers for 14 days.

Check for yourself, those data are not available.

...a single-sourced story...

There are e-mails.

from a crazy woman

Even if your diagnosis is correct, doctor, it is an ad hominem fallacy, which has no bearing on why she was terminated.

facing criminal charges for cyber-stalking.

She has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor. It is all too characteristic of the world we now live in that the governor not only brought this up in his press conference (to discredit her, perhaps? to prejudice public opinion? Surely not!), but, with Trumpian exaggeration, claimed that she was facing an additional charge as well.

Apparently by his lights, someone is guilty until proven innocent.
I wouldn’t trust any story coming out of liberal or conservative news outlets leading into the election..

 it’s a shame that so many still believe that the world is ending or that corona virus came out of a lab

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4006 on: May 25, 2020, 06:28:21 PM »

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^ That Florida story was shown to be fake news...

No, not really. Her story looks legit - but even if it weren’t that doesn’t make the news stories fake.

She created a highly-functional portal that gave access to underlying downloadable data. The loss of all that is a blow to epidemiologists, of course; Dr. Birx, among others, cited Ms. Jones’ Florida dashboard as exemplary (oddly, despite this achievement, her department also accused her of incompetence). But what she specifically complained about was that her superiors wanted to no longer show positivity %s by county, since they couldn’t be ‘opened’ until they had declining numbers for 14 days.

Check for yourself, those data are not available.

...a single-sourced story...

There are e-mails.

from a crazy woman

Even if your diagnosis is correct, doctor, it is an ad hominem fallacy, which has no bearing on why she was terminated.

facing criminal charges for cyber-stalking.

She has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor. It is all too characteristic of the world we now live in that the governor not only brought this up in his press conference (to discredit her, perhaps? to prejudice public opinion? Surely not!), but, with Trumpian exaggeration, claimed that she was facing an additional charge as well.

Apparently by his lights, someone is guilty until proven innocent.

The ying and yang on this site is often great. Yes, there’s unquestionably liberal and anti-Trump bias here, but solid opposing conservative and libertarian views are here too — and are well-stated and typically (when presented respectfully) well-respected.

Too bad there isn’t a news outlet that is better balanced than the current offerings.  I think I’d watch that ahead of any available  option.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4007 on: May 25, 2020, 06:36:02 PM »

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^ That Florida story was shown to be fake news...

No, not really. Her story looks legit - but even if it weren’t that doesn’t make the news stories fake.

She created a highly-functional portal that gave access to underlying downloadable data. The loss of all that is a blow to epidemiologists, of course; Dr. Birx, among others, cited Ms. Jones’ Florida dashboard as exemplary (oddly, despite this achievement, her department also accused her of incompetence). But what she specifically complained about was that her superiors wanted to no longer show positivity %s by county, since they couldn’t be ‘opened’ until they had declining numbers for 14 days.

Check for yourself, those data are not available.

...a single-sourced story...

There are e-mails.

from a crazy woman

Even if your diagnosis is correct, doctor, it is an ad hominem fallacy, which has no bearing on why she was terminated.

facing criminal charges for cyber-stalking.

She has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor. It is all too characteristic of the world we now live in that the governor not only brought this up in his press conference (to discredit her, perhaps? to prejudice public opinion? Surely not!), but, with Trumpian exaggeration, claimed that she was facing an additional charge as well.

Apparently by his lights, someone is guilty until proven innocent.
I wouldn’t trust any story coming out of liberal or conservative news outlets leading into the election..

 it’s a shame that so many still believe that the world is ending or that corona virus came out of a lab

Taking you literally I have to say that I think a lot of people think the virus came out of a lab and that it’s a Chinese conspiracy.   And I’ve seen/heard that directly from conservative news outlets.

On the other hand, I watch CNN every day and I don’t deny the liberal bias— but... I’ve never heard anyone suggest anything resembling the world is ending. I’m not sure what the accurate hyperbole would be since I’ve also not heard anyone on CNN advocating for keeping everything closed.  I have heard almost exclusively- open slowly, carefully, safely and in accordance with CDC guidelines.   And I’m not sure what the fakeness or counter-argument would be to that.
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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4008 on: May 25, 2020, 06:50:55 PM »

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Taking you literally I have to say that I think a lot of people think the virus came out of a lab and that it’s a Chinese conspiracy.   And I’ve seen/heard that directly from conservative news outlets.

And, the origin of the outbreak is still up in the air, correct?  As far as I know, the “China was studying a naturally occurring virus that subsequently leaked from a lab” is a valid hypotheses.

The virus is unlikely to be human-made, but an unintentional leak is a valid theory, is it not?
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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4009 on: May 25, 2020, 07:00:33 PM »

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^ That Florida story was shown to be fake news...

No, not really. Her story looks legit - but even if it weren’t that doesn’t make the news stories fake.

She created a highly-functional portal that gave access to underlying downloadable data. The loss of all that is a blow to epidemiologists, of course; Dr. Birx, among others, cited Ms. Jones’ Florida dashboard as exemplary (oddly, despite this achievement, her department also accused her of incompetence). But what she specifically complained about was that her superiors wanted to no longer show positivity %s by county, since they couldn’t be ‘opened’ until they had declining numbers for 14 days.

Check for yourself, those data are not available.

...a single-sourced story...

There are e-mails.

from a crazy woman

Even if your diagnosis is correct, doctor, it is an ad hominem fallacy, which has no bearing on why she was terminated.

facing criminal charges for cyber-stalking.

She has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor. It is all too characteristic of the world we now live in that the governor not only brought this up in his press conference (to discredit her, perhaps? to prejudice public opinion? Surely not!), but, with Trumpian exaggeration, claimed that she was facing an additional charge as well.

Apparently by his lights, someone is guilty until proven innocent.
I wouldn’t trust any story coming out of liberal or conservative news outlets leading into the election..

 it’s a shame that so many still believe that the world is ending or that corona virus came out of a lab

Taking you literally I have to say that I think a lot of people think the virus came out of a lab and that it’s a Chinese conspiracy.   And I’ve seen/heard that directly from conservative news outlets.

On the other hand, I watch CNN every day and I don’t deny the liberal bias— but... I’ve never heard anyone suggest anything resembling the world is ending. I’m not sure what the accurate hyperbole would be since I’ve also not heard anyone on CNN advocating for keeping everything closed.  I have heard almost exclusively- open slowly, carefully, safely and in accordance with CDC guidelines.   And I’m not sure what the fakeness or counter-argument would be to that.
I live in northern Kentucky and in the stores here 10-20% wear masks at the most. It’s been like that since end of March .. my neighbors have people over with there kids every day.. all kids in the neighborhood hang out and play together every day. No one cares about social distancing and yet somehow we haven’t seen spikes in deaths or people needing intensive care. Maybe just maybe nyc got hit with the worst of the virus and when it mutated by late March it was not as bad.
Yahoo cnn just constantly show worst case scenarios and scare people.liberal media didn’t learn their lesson that the more negativism they show covering trump the more he gains out of it.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4010 on: May 25, 2020, 07:17:58 PM »

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^ That Florida story was shown to be fake news...

No, not really. Her story looks legit - but even if it weren’t that doesn’t make the news stories fake.

She created a highly-functional portal that gave access to underlying downloadable data. The loss of all that is a blow to epidemiologists, of course; Dr. Birx, among others, cited Ms. Jones’ Florida dashboard as exemplary (oddly, despite this achievement, her department also accused her of incompetence). But what she specifically complained about was that her superiors wanted to no longer show positivity %s by county, since they couldn’t be ‘opened’ until they had declining numbers for 14 days.

Check for yourself, those data are not available.

...a single-sourced story...

There are e-mails.

from a crazy woman

Even if your diagnosis is correct, doctor, it is an ad hominem fallacy, which has no bearing on why she was terminated.

facing criminal charges for cyber-stalking.

She has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor. It is all too characteristic of the world we now live in that the governor not only brought this up in his press conference (to discredit her, perhaps? to prejudice public opinion? Surely not!), but, with Trumpian exaggeration, claimed that she was facing an additional charge as well.

Apparently by his lights, someone is guilty until proven innocent.

Read up on her misrepresentations:

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A former Florida state health employee who says she was dismissed from her position for refusing to “manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen” had multiple performance issues that led to her removal, according to Florida Department of Health officials.

Rebekah Jones, who worked as a data manager for Florida’s DOH, sent a May 15 email informing subscribers to the state’s COVID data listserv that she had been removed from the team overseeing the state’s data “for reasons beyond my control,” and implied that “accessibility and transparency” would suffer in her absence.

“As a word of caution, I would not expect the new team to continue the same level of accessibility and transparency that I made central to the process during the first two months. After all, my commitment to both is largely (arguably entirely) the reason I am no longer managing it,” reads Jones’s May 15 to the public listserv.

Jones said she was reassigned on May 5, the same day that the Palm Beach Post reported that 171 positive COVID-19 cases, which were reported in January and February, had been removed from the dashboard. The data was offline for less than a day: According to a review of the dashboard by the Tampa Bay Times, the information — which Jones argued was deleted as part of a cover-up effort — was removed on the afternoon of May 4 and reinstated by the evening of May 5.

The Times also reported that Jones was asked by Department of Health I.T. director Craig Curry to “disable the ability to export the data to files from the dashboard” at the request of Dr. Carina Blackmore, the state epidemiologist and director for the Division of Disease Control and Health Protection, who wanted to review the data’s veracity before restoring it to the dashboard.


“This is the wrong call,” Jones replied in an email to the request, before complying. Approximately an hour later, Curry gave Jones the go-ahead to “re-enable” the data. “10-4,” Jones replied.

Much of the mainstream political press gave credence to Jones’s claim that she was fired as an act of retaliation by her superiors. According to Jones’s version of events, she was reassigned from the data team over her refusal to cooperate with her superiors’ effort to manipulate COVID data — and was subsequently fired from the DOH for alerting the public to that effort in her email to the listserv. Florida Commissioner of Agriculture Nikki Fried, the only Democrat holding statewide office, followed suit, calling the decision to fire Jones “extraordinarily dangerous to public.”

But Florida deputy health secretary Dr. Shamarial Roberson, who orchestrated the state’s expanded COVID-19 tracing force, told National Review that a request to take down and verify data is common, as reviews of the dashboard happen “every day.”


“That data is checked for quality assurance to ensure that it is correct,” she explained. “If the state epidemiologist made the determination that a data field wasn’t properly approved through the approval process, she has the discretion to take something down and quality review it. So data-quality review is always an ongoing process at the department, and senior epidemiologists, they can at their discretion, make that decision to review additional fields based on new information and other things.”

After Jones’s email announcing her reassignment — and the subsequent press storm implying that her superiors were engaged in a coverup — she misrepresented the contents of her email to the public listserv in a May 16 message to Curry, her supervisor.

Jones told Curry that her email to the listserv had been an innocuous message informing the public that she was taking a vacation because she “was tired and needed a break from working two months straight.” A copy of the original listserv email reviewed by National Review shows that Jones made no mention of fatigue or vacation; she instead announced that she had been taken off the data team and implied her transfer would harm the health department’s transparency.


“Is this one of those stupid things I shouldn’t have said?” Jones asked Curry, according to a copy of the email obtained by National Review. “I really don’t want this to be a story.”

Multiple national and local outlets also falsely claimed that Jones was the “architect” and “manager” of the dashboard in the course of their sympathetic coverage.

Jones did publicly assert that she “built” the state’s coronavirus dashboard for a profile in the Syracuse University alumni magazine. “I started from scratch and decided what I thought was important,” Jones told Syracuse University, where she studied geography and journalism. The alumni post also claimed that Jones “initially consulted the global coronavirus map produced by Johns Hopkins University” to come up with the “basic idea.”

But the dashboard was not built by Jones and is not even proprietary to the Florida Department of Health. Instead, the department relied on a dashboard built by ArcGIS, a map-making software used by Johns Hopkins for its widely-cited coronavirus map. Jones was part of a team of three people who worked on updating the dashboard with new data.


Other outlets, including MSNBC and NPR, reported that Jones was a “scientist.” While Jones was enrolled for over two years at Florida State University in a geography Ph.D. program, a university spokesman told the Tampa Bay Times the school had not posted any degrees for her, and Jones’s personal blog shows she is not set to complete the doctorate until 2021.

Helen Aguirre Ferré, communications director for Florida governor Ron DeSantis, explained that Jones’s “function” was “to load the data into the graphics.”

“That is not an accurate assessment, that she built [the dashboard], she participated in putting the dashboard together, she played a role in the development of the website dashboard,” Ferré told National Review. “She’s not a content creator. She doesn’t she’s not a data analyst, she’s not an epidemiologist, she wouldn’t have access to the raw data, much less how to interpret the raw data of the information that she was receiving.”

Ferré added that it was Jones’s “insubordination that led to her dismissal,” and that her notice of termination was delivered on Monday.


“She was forever clashing with her team, because she was not a team player. She was erratic. She changed information without consulting with the epidemiological team or her supervisor, and, in short, she was insubordinate,” she explained. “She perceived that she had ownership of this dashboard, which is completely inaccurate.”

Jones did not respond to a request for comment about her dismissal. She told CBS12 on Monday that her removal was “not voluntary” and stemmed from her refusal to “censor” data.

DeSantis himself told reporters Tuesday that Jones was “not involved in collating any data,” and suggested the media was making a “bogeyman” out of the story.

In addition to misrepresenting the contents of her email to the public listserv and inflating her role in the DOH, Jones also published state COVID-19 data on her personal blog without going through the proper channels established to ensure their reliability.

“If you haven’t checked out my fantabulous online dashboard, officially the state’s public face of Florida’s coronavirus response, you should do so,” the March 30 blog post reads. The post breaks down the state’s coronavirus testing data by age — a feature that has not been made available on the state dashboard.

“I made some charts for the data that there’s simply no room on the dashboard for, so I’m presenting them here for your pleasure,” Jones explains, followed by her own personal analysis of the numbers.

It is unclear whether the data is accurate, as well as if Jones’s sharing of the data broke the law or violated her government contract. Roberson explained, however, that while data can be requested for public release, any “human subjects research” requires a review by a health department board, as well as a review of a data-use agreement by the appropriate data custodian, before public consumption.

“If this is tried and true and it is scientifically relevant, then that data is released through a data-sharing agreement, and that’s how we make data available,” she explained. “There’s a lot of ongoing projects throughout the state, with universities, with researchers from other states, so it is a regular process at the department to make different data available to the public in a very transparent way. But there is a protocol.”

While speaking to reporters on Tuesday, DeSantis also said that Jones should not have been working for the government in the first place because she is facing active criminal charges.

“I’ve asked the Department of Health to explain to me how someone would be allowed to be charged with that and continue on, because this was many months ago,” DeSantis stated. “I have a zero-tolerance policy for sexual harassment.”

Leon County court records filed in July 2019 show that Jones faces a misdemeanor charge of cyberstalking and a misdemeanor charge of sexual cyberharassment. In 2016, Jones was also arrested while working at Louisiana State University for battery on a police officer and resisting arrest.

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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4011 on: May 25, 2020, 07:34:12 PM »

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^ That Florida story was shown to be fake news...

No, not really. Her story looks legit - but even if it weren’t that doesn’t make the news stories fake.

She created a highly-functional portal that gave access to underlying downloadable data. The loss of all that is a blow to epidemiologists, of course; Dr. Birx, among others, cited Ms. Jones’ Florida dashboard as exemplary (oddly, despite this achievement, her department also accused her of incompetence). But what she specifically complained about was that her superiors wanted to no longer show positivity %s by county, since they couldn’t be ‘opened’ until they had declining numbers for 14 days.

Check for yourself, those data are not available.

...a single-sourced story...

There are e-mails.

from a crazy woman

Even if your diagnosis is correct, doctor, it is an ad hominem fallacy, which has no bearing on why she was terminated.

facing criminal charges for cyber-stalking.

She has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor. It is all too characteristic of the world we now live in that the governor not only brought this up in his press conference (to discredit her, perhaps? to prejudice public opinion? Surely not!), but, with Trumpian exaggeration, claimed that she was facing an additional charge as well.

Apparently by his lights, someone is guilty until proven innocent.
I wouldn’t trust any story coming out of liberal or conservative news outlets leading into the election..

 it’s a shame that so many still believe that the world is ending or that corona virus came out of a lab

Taking you literally I have to say that I think a lot of people think the virus came out of a lab and that it’s a Chinese conspiracy.   And I’ve seen/heard that directly from conservative news outlets.

On the other hand, I watch CNN every day and I don’t deny the liberal bias— but... I’ve never heard anyone suggest anything resembling the world is ending. I’m not sure what the accurate hyperbole would be since I’ve also not heard anyone on CNN advocating for keeping everything closed.  I have heard almost exclusively- open slowly, carefully, safely and in accordance with CDC guidelines.   And I’m not sure what the fakeness or counter-argument would be to that.
I live in northern Kentucky and in the stores here 10-20% wear masks at the most. It’s been like that since end of March .. my neighbors have people over with there kids every day.. all kids in the neighborhood hang out and play together every day. No one cares about social distancing and yet somehow we haven’t seen spikes in deaths or people needing intensive care. Maybe just maybe nyc got hit with the worst of the virus and when it mutated by late March it was not as bad.
Yahoo cnn just constantly show worst case scenarios and scare people.liberal media didn’t learn their lesson that the more negativism they show covering trump the more he gains out of it.

It’s difficult to argue with someone who doesn’t believe the data, but just to get this out there - in the last 45 days or so there have been nearly a million new cases and about 75,000 deaths attributed to Covid.  This is since mid-April.   I couldn’t be happier that the people in your area are not getting ill, but I don’t think it would be accurate to say that caution was, or is, ill-advised.  Probably  isn’t a great idea to assume the virus is done or not as bad.  And Fox seems to be reporting the same numbers.

I hope you are correct that the virus is becoming less severe and hope you are wrong that Trump ends up winning the media battle as he did 4 years ago.  We’ll see.
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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4012 on: May 25, 2020, 10:08:51 PM »

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Patrick Ewing has tested positive for Covid.

Luv Patrick,  prayers out .....he d better get well soon .   If he leaves us ,  that won't help the  NBA case to resume soon .
He should be fine. He's only in his 50's and no known pre-existing conditions. He's isolated in a hospital so it's not like he's at home quarantined. It's a little serious but not critical.

He's 57 years old and overweight. Considering he's hospitalized, that's not a good sign. He should come through ok, but he is at some degree of risk at the moment just by definition of being hospitalized.
He's not in intensive care so like I said "it's a little serious but not critical". Serious enough to be hospitalized. I don't see what the point is other than he's a bit overweight. If he doesn't have any respiratory issues then him being still young enough is enough to overcome this virus. Unless something changes in the next day or two I'm thinking he'll be out and about in two weeks.


Great news! Ewing is out of the hospital and back at home

https://www.boston.com/sports/sports-news/2020/05/25/patrick-ewing-out-of-hospital-after-being-treated-for-covid-19


Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4013 on: May 25, 2020, 10:27:10 PM »

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Taking you literally I have to say that I think a lot of people think the virus came out of a lab and that it’s a Chinese conspiracy.   And I’ve seen/heard that directly from conservative news outlets.

And, the origin of the outbreak is still up in the air, correct?  As far as I know, the “China was studying a naturally occurring virus that subsequently leaked from a lab” is a valid hypotheses.

The virus is unlikely to be human-made, but an unintentional leak is a valid theory, is it not?

The exact mechanism of where this virus originated is ultimately irrelevant.  Virii jump between species all the time.  Humans and animals breath the same air.  It was inevitable that one like this would occur and it has.   All that matters is how we respond to it.

The only point to 'blame gaming' it is political distraction from how poorly we responded to it.
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« Reply #4014 on: May 25, 2020, 10:35:36 PM »

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^ That Florida story was shown to be fake news...

No, not really. Her story looks legit - but even if it weren’t that doesn’t make the news stories fake.

She created a highly-functional portal that gave access to underlying downloadable data. The loss of all that is a blow to epidemiologists, of course; Dr. Birx, among others, cited Ms. Jones’ Florida dashboard as exemplary (oddly, despite this achievement, her department also accused her of incompetence). But what she specifically complained about was that her superiors wanted to no longer show positivity %s by county, since they couldn’t be ‘opened’ until they had declining numbers for 14 days.

Check for yourself, those data are not available.

...a single-sourced story...

There are e-mails.

from a crazy woman

Even if your diagnosis is correct, doctor, it is an ad hominem fallacy, which has no bearing on why she was terminated.

facing criminal charges for cyber-stalking.

She has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor. It is all too characteristic of the world we now live in that the governor not only brought this up in his press conference (to discredit her, perhaps? to prejudice public opinion? Surely not!), but, with Trumpian exaggeration, claimed that she was facing an additional charge as well.

Apparently by his lights, someone is guilty until proven innocent.

Read up on her misrepresentations:

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A former Florida state health employee who says she was dismissed from her position for refusing to “manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen” had multiple performance issues that led to her removal, according to Florida Department of Health officials.

... blah ... blah ...


Just to clarify, the above is all from the National Review.  A 'single source' in itself.

Ultimately, all that boils down to the casting of character aspersions on Ms. Jones and  whether true or not do not, of course, explain the emails that issued the order to take down the by-county percentage data.  That happened, regardless of Ms. Jones' otherwise personal failings.

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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4015 on: May 25, 2020, 10:46:52 PM »

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Taking you literally I have to say that I think a lot of people think the virus came out of a lab and that it’s a Chinese conspiracy.   And I’ve seen/heard that directly from conservative news outlets.

And, the origin of the outbreak is still up in the air, correct?  As far as I know, the “China was studying a naturally occurring virus that subsequently leaked from a lab” is a valid hypotheses.

The virus is unlikely to be human-made, but an unintentional leak is a valid theory, is it not?

The exact mechanism of where this virus originated is ultimately irrelevant.  Virii jump between species all the time.  Humans and animals breath the same air.  It was inevitable that one like this would occur and it has.   All that matters is how we respond to it.

The only point to 'blame gaming' it is political distraction from how poorly we responded to it.

Exactly this.  Countries all over East Asia and Southeast Asia, who were in much greater proximity to China and thus had less response time all responded orders of magnitude better.  Literally we’ve had more deaths in a single day than Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam (combine population ~300 million) have had combined for the entire outbreak.  It really doesn’t matter at all how the virus started in China — there was zero need for it to have made the impact it did here.   This was very avoidable.  Other countries did.

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^ That Florida story was shown to be fake news...

No, not really. Her story looks legit - but even if it weren’t that doesn’t make the news stories fake.

She created a highly-functional portal that gave access to underlying downloadable data. The loss of all that is a blow to epidemiologists, of course; Dr. Birx, among others, cited Ms. Jones’ Florida dashboard as exemplary (oddly, despite this achievement, her department also accused her of incompetence). But what she specifically complained about was that her superiors wanted to no longer show positivity %s by county, since they couldn’t be ‘opened’ until they had declining numbers for 14 days.

Check for yourself, those data are not available.

...a single-sourced story...

There are e-mails.

from a crazy woman

Even if your diagnosis is correct, doctor, it is an ad hominem fallacy, which has no bearing on why she was terminated.

facing criminal charges for cyber-stalking.

She has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor. It is all too characteristic of the world we now live in that the governor not only brought this up in his press conference (to discredit her, perhaps? to prejudice public opinion? Surely not!), but, with Trumpian exaggeration, claimed that she was facing an additional charge as well.

Apparently by his lights, someone is guilty until proven innocent.

Read up on her misrepresentations:

Quote
A former Florida state health employee who says she was dismissed from her position for refusing to “manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen” had multiple performance issues that led to her removal, according to Florida Department of Health officials.

... blah ... blah ...


Just to clarify, the above is all from the National Review.  A 'single source' in itself.

Ultimately, all that boils down to the casting of character aspersions on Ms. Jones and  whether true or not do not, of course, explain the emails that issued the order to take down the by-county percentage data.  That happened, regardless of Ms. Jones' otherwise personal failings.

No, NR cites several named sources.  And, the article does actually explain why the information was taken down for less than 24 hours.
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Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4017 on: May 25, 2020, 11:19:05 PM »

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Ok so I just opened Boston globe and the first 15 news stories were about covid. Literally no other liberal news outlet is as bad. Nytimes will have 6 out 15 but nowhere near what Boston globe does.
This explains why Bostonians are so scared of the pandemic still.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4018 on: May 26, 2020, 02:45:32 AM »

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Taking you literally I have to say that I think a lot of people think the virus came out of a lab and that it’s a Chinese conspiracy.   And I’ve seen/heard that directly from conservative news outlets.

And, the origin of the outbreak is still up in the air, correct?  As far as I know, the “China was studying a naturally occurring virus that subsequently leaked from a lab” is a valid hypotheses.

The virus is unlikely to be human-made, but an unintentional leak is a valid theory, is it not?



The point NKY was making was that you can’t trust liberal or conservative media.   And he brought up 2 examples of why you shouldn’t believe either side - 1 that the virus came from a lab, the other that the world was ending.  I was pointing out that yes conservative media ARE suggesting that the virus came from a lab, but liberal media was NOT saying the world was ending.   In other words, he was calling liberal media fake by using a fake example.   NKY was suggesting that conservative media was also putting out a fake theory; I was just affirming that conservative media was indeed presenting that theory, while  his liberal example was not being presented.

I have no idea whether the virus came from a lab or not, and it wouldn’t surprise me if it did.  I also am not saying this isn’t the end of the world- I’m just saying that liberal media isn’t touting that theory.

Re: Coronavirus Concerns
« Reply #4019 on: May 26, 2020, 08:04:44 AM »

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Taking you literally I have to say that I think a lot of people think the virus came out of a lab and that it’s a Chinese conspiracy.   And I’ve seen/heard that directly from conservative news outlets.

And, the origin of the outbreak is still up in the air, correct?  As far as I know, the “China was studying a naturally occurring virus that subsequently leaked from a lab” is a valid hypotheses.

The virus is unlikely to be human-made, but an unintentional leak is a valid theory, is it not?

The exact mechanism of where this virus originated is ultimately irrelevant.  Virii jump between species all the time.  Humans and animals breath the same air.  It was inevitable that one like this would occur and it has.   All that matters is how we respond to it.

The only point to 'blame gaming' it is political distraction from how poorly we responded to it.

I don't get the point of the argument here.  My feeling is that if Trump is saying the virus came from a Chinese lab, it is probably false because Trump always lies.  Is it that if somehow it does turn out to be true that this leaked out of a Chinese lab (maybe an employee contracted it while studying it), that this would some how vindicate Trump in some way?  It is almost like Trump, supporters are searching for the one time that Trump doesn't lie so they can say, "See, Trump doesn't always lie", so maybe is isn't lying about Russia, and everything else. 

Based on everything I have read, it seems that that the origin is still not fully known.  There is no actual evidence that I have seen or read that indicates it came from a lab.  There were statements from experts that this was a naturally occurring virus and not "manufactured".  The original conspiracy theories were that the Chinese manufactured it but then it changed to it leaked out of a lab after the "manufactured" idea was debunked.

Again, back to the point of all this.  It does seem that Trump "supporters" want this to have been a Chinese conspiracy or error and that this also will vindicate Trump's overall handling of the Virus in some way.  I don't follow the logic with that.  Regardless of the origin of the virus, isn't it painfully clear that (a) Trump has demonstrated zero understanding of all of this, and (b) Trump is far more concerned about optics related to reelection (or pandering to fringe elements of his base) then he is doing what is right?