Jayson Tatum's improved play

[saltlover]

Actually, if Tatum makes All-NBA this season but doesn't next season, he isn't eligible for the 30% pay level. So, technically,  Tatum wouldn't need to wait to his 5th year to make an All-NBA team to avoid that 30% number.

From Coon:

In order to qualify for the higher maximum salary, players must meet certain performance criteria1. At least one of the following must be true:

The player was named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.

The player was named the Defensive Player of the Year in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.

The player was named the NBA Most Valuable Player in any of the three most recent seasons.

For example, if this is the 2018 offseason, then a player met the performance criteria if he accomplished any of the following:

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in 2017-18

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in both 2015-16 and 2016-17

Named the Defensive Player of the Year in 2017-18

Named the Defensive Player of the Year in both 2015-16 and 2016-17

Named the NBA Most Valuable Player in 2015-16, 2016-17 or 2017-18

Thanks.  Coon’s language was a little unclear to me if the season immediately preceding the signing of the extension counted to meet the one-All-NBA requirement.  But the CBA itself is much more clear on this, and your interpretation is correct.

So go ahead and win All-NBA honors this year Jayson!  Just don’t make a habit of it until year 5!

[86MaxwellSmart]

I'd rather have 4 guys score 20 in a WIN, than have Tatum score 40 in a LOSS.

[nickagneta]

I'd rather have 4 guys score 20 in a WIN, than have Tatum score 40 in a LOSS.

Are you trying to infer that Jayson's scoring somehow lead to the loss?

[CelticsElite]

I'd rather have 4 guys score 20 in a WIN, than have Tatum score 40 in a LOSS.

Are you trying to infer that Jayson's scoring somehow lead to the loss?

he shot something like 60% FG lol. Shocked anyone would say he did bad

[jambr380]

I'd rather have 4 guys score 20 in a WIN, than have Tatum score 40 in a LOSS.

Are you trying to infer that Jayson's scoring somehow lead to the loss?

You must not have watched the game. Tatum was totally Devin Booker/Andrew Wiggins/Zach Lavine out there. He obviously had no positive impact and was the primary reason the Cs lost! 

[nickagneta]

I'd rather have 4 guys score 20 in a WIN, than have Tatum score 40 in a LOSS.

Are you trying to infer that Jayson's scoring somehow lead to the loss?

You must not have watched the game. Tatum was totally Devin Booker/Andrew Wiggins/Zach Lavine out there. He obviously had no positive impact and was the primary reason the Cs lost! 

[Fierce1]

I'd rather have 4 guys score 20 in a WIN, than have Tatum score 40 in a LOSS.

If Hayward shot better then he would have scored 20 points or more.

But Hayward was even missing open layups.

[sgrogan]

Actually, if Tatum makes All-NBA this season but doesn't next season, he isn't eligible for the 30% pay level. So, technically,  Tatum wouldn't need to wait to his 5th year to make an All-NBA team to avoid that 30% number.

From Coon:

In order to qualify for the higher maximum salary, players must meet certain performance criteria1. At least one of the following must be true:

The player was named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.

The player was named the Defensive Player of the Year in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.

The player was named the NBA Most Valuable Player in any of the three most recent seasons.

For example, if this is the 2018 offseason, then a player met the performance criteria if he accomplished any of the following:

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in 2017-18

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in both 2015-16 and 2016-17

Named the Defensive Player of the Year in 2017-18

Named the Defensive Player of the Year in both 2015-16 and 2016-17

Named the NBA Most Valuable Player in 2015-16, 2016-17 or 2017-18

Thanks.  Coon’s language was a little unclear to me if the season immediately preceding the signing of the extension counted to meet the one-All-NBA requirement.  But the CBA itself is much more clear on this, and your interpretation is correct.

So go ahead and win All-NBA honors this year Jayson!  Just don’t make a habit of it until year 5!

Doesn't this make it harder to sign Tatum to an extension?
If he makes All-NBA or is contention, wouldn't he bet on himself to do it next year, thus increasing the max?

[nickagneta]

Actually, if Tatum makes All-NBA this season but doesn't next season, he isn't eligible for the 30% pay level. So, technically,  Tatum wouldn't need to wait to his 5th year to make an All-NBA team to avoid that 30% number.

From Coon:

In order to qualify for the higher maximum salary, players must meet certain performance criteria1. At least one of the following must be true:

The player was named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.

The player was named the Defensive Player of the Year in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.

The player was named the NBA Most Valuable Player in any of the three most recent seasons.

For example, if this is the 2018 offseason, then a player met the performance criteria if he accomplished any of the following:

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in 2017-18

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in both 2015-16 and 2016-17

Named the Defensive Player of the Year in 2017-18

Named the Defensive Player of the Year in both 2015-16 and 2016-17

Named the NBA Most Valuable Player in 2015-16, 2016-17 or 2017-18

Thanks.  Coon’s language was a little unclear to me if the season immediately preceding the signing of the extension counted to meet the one-All-NBA requirement.  But the CBA itself is much more clear on this, and your interpretation is correct.

So go ahead and win All-NBA honors this year Jayson!  Just don’t make a habit of it until year 5!

Doesn't this make it harder to sign Tatum to an extension?
If he makes All-NBA or is contention, wouldn't he bet on himself to do it next year, thus increasing the max?

I don't think it makes anything more or less difficult, just more expensive. At this point, given his development, his agent will probably advise him to not extend this off-season and wait to re-sign after the 20-21 season.

If he makes an All-NBA team or is voted either DPOY or MVP, he becomes eligible for the 30% max. If he doesn't, he just gets the 25% max. Either way he will be a Celtic a long, long time.

At least, that's my read on things. Maybe, if I am off, salty or someone else could correct me on that.

[sgrogan]

Yes, more expensive.
I'm not particularly concerned with Wyc's money, but it does factor in to the equation going forward.

[jambr380]

I don't think it makes anything more or less difficult, just more expensive. At this point, given his development, his agent will probably advise him to not extend this off-season and wait to re-sign after the 20-21 season.

If he makes an All-NBA team or is voted either DPOY or MVP, he becomes eligible for the 30% max. If he doesn't, he just gets the 25% max. Either way he will be a Celtic a long, long time.

At least, that's my read on things. Maybe, if I am off, salty or someone else could correct me on that.

This is hardly official, but on the link below, it states that players who signed the rookie max extension this past offseason are still eligible for the 30% max if they make All-NBA, etc on the last year of their rookie contracts. It specifically relates to Simmons, Murray, and Siakam who extended last summer.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/10/2019-nba-rookie-scale-extension-recap.html

So, as I'm reading it, Tatum can sign a max extension this summer and still get 30% max if he makes All-NBA next season, but doesn't make it this season. Again, assuming the info in this article is true.

[Fafnir]

I don't think it makes anything more or less difficult, just more expensive. At this point, given his development, his agent will probably advise him to not extend this off-season and wait to re-sign after the 20-21 season.

If he makes an All-NBA team or is voted either DPOY or MVP, he becomes eligible for the 30% max. If he doesn't, he just gets the 25% max. Either way he will be a Celtic a long, long time.

At least, that's my read on things. Maybe, if I am off, salty or someone else could correct me on that.

This is hardly official, but on the link below, it states that players who signed the rookie max extension this past offseason are still eligible for the 30% max if they make All-NBA, etc on the last year of their rookie contracts. It specifically relates to Simmons, Murray, and Siakam who extended last summer.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/10/2019-nba-rookie-scale-extension-recap.html

So, as I'm reading it, Tatum can sign a max extension this summer and still get 30% max if he makes All-NBA next season, but doesn't make it this season. Again, assuming the info in this article is true.

It is true, but it must be part of the negotiated contract. So this escalator language is one of the bits that max level rookies agents will fight over. Trade kickers and 5th year player option are the other two common haggling points.

Specifically you need an escalator that says the contract will become a 30% max contract if the player is eligible. Siakam's contract is a interesting case as he gets different escalation amounts of the cap depending on what level of eligibility honors he earns. (Nothing for 3rd team 28% for 2nd 29% for first and 30% for MVP)

So there is no reason to expect Tatum will not extend this coming off season. I don't think the Celtics will blink at putting escalator language in his contract. Though I could see them trying to do something similar to what Siakam/Toronto agreed to.

[RockinRyA]

Seeing now that if Tatum continues his developmental path, he has the possibility of being a 1st team All-NBA and/or an MVP in his future and that Romeo is looking like he might be a high quality player, that trade by Danny is looking like grand larceny.

Tatum and Langford for Fultz.

I tip my hat to you Danny.

Someone should set that up as a daily reminder on the Liberty Ballers page.

I wouldve, but I am banned from Liberty Ballers.

[cman88]

I feel like ever since tatum was named an all-star he just hit another level and somehow elevated himself to superstar level. hes averaging 23ppg and our leading scorer

[Fafnir]

I feel like ever since tatum was named an all-star he just hit another level and somehow elevated himself to superstar level. hes averaging 23ppg and our leading scorer

His mother talked about it during an interview with Deuce last Friday. Tatum was nervous and anxious about getting selected as an all-star and so was she. Tatum also mentioned it in an interview iirc but not as in depth.

Tatum's confidence and calm in just playing and being great once that anxiety and anticipation are gone has been special.