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Awful ideas about Jaylen
« on: November 28, 2019, 10:09:20 AM »

Offline trickybilly

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I hope my admiration of Jaylen is clear. I think he is the most underrated and undervalued two way guy in the league.

That being said, if you're a contender GM looking to make a move, and bearing in mind that his trade hit is poison pill exposed, who is the best team to make a serious offer, and why.
"Gimme the ball, gimme the ball". Freddy Quimby, 1994.

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2019, 10:11:59 AM »

Offline droopdog7

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We should not make any reactive moves.  Any move we make should be about making is better, not them.

What that move is I don’t know but in theory it’s for a big.

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2019, 10:17:27 AM »

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Interesting choice for the name of this thread...

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2019, 10:25:31 AM »

Offline Surferdad

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Interesting choice for the name of this thread...
Agree, but I think what the OP is saying is that you have to at least entertain the idea of trading him if you can get something back which fits the team better.  That said, it's a incomplete thought by the OP and the thread would be better served with an actual trade idea.  I believe the OP knows there are none, thus the thread title....

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2019, 10:29:40 AM »

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Yeah, Brown can't be traded until next season because he signed that extension in October, so not sure of the point of this.

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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2019, 11:01:50 AM »

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Trading Brown at this point would be crazy. He has no place to go but up.

Imagine if he were on a team that allowed him the opportunities that Tatum gets.

If he ever gets that popup fall away around the paint to be knockdown reliable, we're taking an efficient 24.0-25.0 a game scorer that can defend, shows good signs of improved passing and handle, and who rebounds.

Trade Jaylen? That ship has sailed.

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2019, 11:11:07 AM »

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Some of you guys would trade a house in Newport for a shack in the Bahamas because someone told you the taxes are lower. SMH.

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2019, 11:56:19 AM »

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Ignoring the fact that brown can’t be traded, the guy that would be perfect for this team is Kevin Love.

Re: Awful ideas about Jaylen
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2019, 12:09:00 PM »

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Ignoring the fact that brown can’t be traded, the guy that would be perfect for this team is Kevin Love.

Technically Brown can be traded, but it's too complicated to even try.

This article clearly stated that players with rookie scale extensions can be traded, unlike veteran extensions.
https://www.canishoopus.com/2017/8/2/16080436/report-andrew-wiggins-contract-extension-offer-wolves-glen-taylor

However, Wiggins could receive an extension and still be traded. Veteran extensions prohibit the new signee from being traded for six months following the date of the signing but rookie scale extensions have no such provision. The newly extended Wiggins contract would be immediately tradable but it would be “poison pilled.”

Also, why trade Jaylen when he's playing at an All-Star level and the Celts convinced him not to insist on the max contract.

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2019, 12:17:31 PM »

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Why would you ever trade Jaylen Brown?

If you were to trade for that mythical first-tier big, you’d be doing it to add to Tatum and Brown, not to replace one of them. The whole idea is to build a championship contender, not to keep shuffling the deck.

I suppose we’ll keep hearing comments about Jaylen’s deficient ballhandling for a while. That’s one of those things that keeps getting echoed, despite its long being untrue. Hey - he’s a wizard with the ball. Not only that: he turns it over at a microscopic rate even as he is constantly taking it to the basket.

Another perspective on that: his turnover% has dropped each season he’s been in the league, while his assist% has risen each season. And that has happened even as his usage% has also risen each season.

He’s become highly effective at the short midrange this year. At .524, you want him taking those shots, whether out of the drive or mid-post.

So far 19.3% on the defensive board, outstanding for a wing. Sustainable? Maybe. But it’s worth noting for another reason - it’s an area of emphasis for the coaching staff this season, so that number is yet another mark of his coachability and team-first attitude. 

Big breakthrough in free-throw shooting. Three years of grade-D, now at last he’s shooting grade-B. Probably sustainable, but he has a long history of mediocrity.

Leader, team-first. He checks all the boxes. Got the extension done, on terms that fit the Celtics’ strategic planning, and taking a big piece of uncertainty out of the trade deadline and beyond.

Some guys plateau or even decline when they get a big contract; like Marcus Smart, he’s the opposite.


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'I was proud of Marcus Smart. He did a great job of keeping us together. He might not get credit for this game, but the pace that he played at, and his playcalling, some of the plays that he called were great. We obviously have to rely on him, so I’m definitely looking forward to Marcus leading this team in that role.' - Jaylen Brown, January 2021

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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2019, 12:20:48 PM »

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Brown’s role is far more important in the modern NBA than a PF or C. Just look at the Warriors with and without Klay.

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2019, 12:22:02 PM »

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What is going on here? Trade Jaylen Brown why? He has gotten better every season, and he may very well be an all star.

There is no one who "fits the team" better than him. I assume this is another desperate attempt to concoct a scenario to land a big man, but the reality is, there are only a handful of big men in the league who we should consider trading JB for, and none of those big men are or will ever really be on the block.

You get a young player of his caliber, you don't trade him.

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2019, 12:26:42 PM »

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Brown’s role is far more important in the modern NBA than a PF or C. Just look at the Warriors with and without Klay.

True.

The good thing about Jaylen Brown this season is he's starting to play the 4.
I think Brown can guard those stretch 4s.
It's guys like Horford that Brown can't defend in the paint.

In today's NBA, there are very few traditional PFs like Karl Malone.
So I agree the 4 is not that important anymore.

The Center is another story though.
But Celts are on pace to win 60 games right now.
So far Celts are exceeding expectations.

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2019, 12:29:05 PM »

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What is going on here? Trade Jaylen Brown why? He has gotten better every season, and he may very well be an all star.

There is no one who "fits the team" better than him. I assume this is another desperate attempt to concoct a scenario to land a big man, but the reality is, there are only a handful of big men in the league who we should consider trading JB for, and none of those big men are or will ever really be on the block.

You get a young player of his caliber, you don't trade him.

I think trading for a big man like Anthony Davis or KAT is a thing of the past.
That ship has sailed.

Right now it's not realistic to talk about trading Brown because it's going to be too complicated.


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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2019, 01:03:10 PM »

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Imo, the only guy worth mentioning is KAT. It's highly unlikely that he'll become available anytime soon, but if he did I wouldn't mind trading Brown for him.

So basically I wouldn't trade Brown. Having said that, I would be more open to potential trade ideas around Tatum.
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