NBA 2019-2020 season thread

[KGs Knee]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

He isn't.

[gouki88]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

He isn't.

Lol. 2 of the coaches you listed are coaching teams in the bottom third of the league. Give me a break

[Somebody]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

He isn't.

Lol. 2 of the coaches you listed are coaching teams in the bottom third of the league. Give me a break

Although I disagree with looking at team record in one season to evaluate a coach's prowess, I do think that Brad is better than Spoelstra and Carlisie, and he's definitely better than Kerr. Brad has worked really well with subpar teams in the past for a few years, coaching some offensively challenged squads to the playoffs with defensive stoutness and incredible ATO plays in the clutch. He's also done well with more talented squads with last year's fiasco being an exception, generally getting us some pretty good results (2 ECFs) with squads that had a modicum of talent by getting the players to buy in and squeeze even more out of the cast. Last year raised the concern that Brad might struggle with big personalities and a plethora of talent on a squad, but he's doing really well with this year's team (which is still really talented, they have 1 All-NBA guy in Walker, 2 All-Stars in Tatum and Hayward and 2 fringe All-Stars in Smart and Brown, and you can even make the argument that Brown is an All-Star). I don't think that Spoelstra and Carlisie have been doing well enough to really say that they've been better than Brad in the past few years, and Kerr has definitely benefited from the insane amount of talent on GSW (he was outcoached by Lue in the 2016 finals, and looked out of sorts in the 2019 finals against Nurse at times).

[KGs Knee]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

He isn't.

Lol. 2 of the coaches you listed are coaching teams in the bottom third of the league. Give me a break

LOL...solid analysis 

Brad has accomplished nothing in this league. Talk to me when he does something more than get a merry band of underdogs to the conferences finals against mediocre competition.   All Brad has proven is that he has yet to master the single most important skill an NBA coach can have, massaging the egos and personalities of star players. Until he can figure that out he has no justifiable claim for being a top coach.

Nothing Brad has done in his coaching career makes me believe he could achieve similar results as the other coaches I listed, given the same players.

[gouki88]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

He isn't.

Lol. 2 of the coaches you listed are coaching teams in the bottom third of the league. Give me a break

LOL...solid analysis 

Brad has accomplished nothing in this league. Talk to me when he does something more than get a merry band of underdogs to the conferences finals against mediocre competition.   All Brad has proven is that he has yet to master the single most important skill an NBA coach can have, massaging the egos and personalities of star players. Until he can figure that out he has no justifiable claim for being a top coach.

Nothing Brad has done in his coaching career makes me believe he could achieve similar results as the other coaches I listed, given the same players.

You don't think Brad could win a title with two of the best shooters of all time and one of the greatest scorers of all time? You don't think Brad could win with LeBron, Wade and Bosh? Righto

[tazzmaniac]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

He isn't.

Lol. 2 of the coaches you listed are coaching teams in the bottom third of the league. Give me a break

LOL...solid analysis 

Brad has accomplished nothing in this league. Talk to me when he does something more than get a merry band of underdogs to the conferences finals against mediocre competition.   All Brad has proven is that he has yet to master the single most important skill an NBA coach can have, massaging the egos and personalities of star players. Until he can figure that out he has no justifiable claim for being a top coach.

Nothing Brad has done in his coaching career makes me believe he could achieve similar results as the other coaches I listed, given the same players.

You don't think Brad could win a title with two of the best shooters of all time and one of the greatest scorers of all time? You don't think Brad could win with LeBron, Wade and Bosh? Righto

Brad couldn't handle Rondo.  He couldn't handle Irving.  What makes you think he could handle Lebron and Wade? 

[gpap]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

I'd say easily better than Kerr and Carlisle. Not sure what to make of Pop over the last two seasons either, and Spo is debatable.

I'd respectfully disagree that Stevens is better than Kerr, Carlisle and Spolestra.

I understand people will look at the "anybody could coach the Warriors" argument in respect to Kerr but I don't think it's that simple. In fact, with all-stars, it can be even harder because you have more egos to manage (which is a big requisite to being a good coach in the NBA.) And Kerr has the respect of his players.

As for Carlisle, I personally think he's a very good coach. He's been around for a long time, knows the game, and helped lead the Mavs to a title in 2011. Yes, he's had some great talent over the years like Dirk, Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Tyson Chandler but it seems like he's gotten the most out of them.

To me, Spolestra is a little more complex. Obviously, he hasn't attained much success outside of the big 3, but he still seems to have gotten the most out of whatever team he's had to manage. I guess you could say Stevens and Spolestra are fairly close though Spolestra has alot more experience.

I'm sorry but for Brad to prove himself as a good coach, he's got to lead the Celts to a championship. Until then, not sure how anyone can classify him as one of the best coaches in the league. He's a decent coach, but he's not in the upper echelon yet.

[gpap]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

He isn't.

Lol. 2 of the coaches you listed are coaching teams in the bottom third of the league. Give me a break

LOL...solid analysis 

Brad has accomplished nothing in this league. Talk to me when he does something more than get a merry band of underdogs to the conferences finals against mediocre competition.   All Brad has proven is that he has yet to master the single most important skill an NBA coach can have, massaging the egos and personalities of star players. Until he can figure that out he has no justifiable claim for being a top coach.

Nothing Brad has done in his coaching career makes me believe he could achieve similar results as the other coaches I listed, given the same players.

You don't think Brad could win a title with two of the best shooters of all time and one of the greatest scorers of all time? You don't think Brad could win with LeBron, Wade and Bosh? Righto

Brad couldn't handle Rondo.  He couldn't handle Irving.  What makes you think he could handle Lebron and Wade?

Yeah, I can't picture Brad ever coaching a superstar of that level.

Granted, there aren't many guys however that can coach a finicky Lebron.

[tazzmaniac]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

He isn't.

Lol. 2 of the coaches you listed are coaching teams in the bottom third of the league. Give me a break

LOL...solid analysis 

Brad has accomplished nothing in this league. Talk to me when he does something more than get a merry band of underdogs to the conferences finals against mediocre competition.   All Brad has proven is that he has yet to master the single most important skill an NBA coach can have, massaging the egos and personalities of star players. Until he can figure that out he has no justifiable claim for being a top coach.

Nothing Brad has done in his coaching career makes me believe he could achieve similar results as the other coaches I listed, given the same players.

You don't think Brad could win a title with two of the best shooters of all time and one of the greatest scorers of all time? You don't think Brad could win with LeBron, Wade and Bosh? Righto

Brad couldn't handle Rondo.  He couldn't handle Irving.  What makes you think he could handle Lebron and Wade?

Yeah, I can't picture Brad ever coaching a superstar of that level.

Granted, there aren't many guys however that can coach a finicky Lebron.

Spoelstra did.  Lue did.  Vogel seems to be doing fine.  I have no doubt Pop and Doc could coach Lebron. 

[celticsclay]

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is one of the greatest coaches of the last 10-15 years.

Doc will easily be in the HOF one day for his coaching career.

Popovich, Rivers, Spoelstra, Kerr, Carlisle

That is the top 5 currently in the league.

Stevens is better than 3 of those at least.

He is?

He isn't.

Lol. 2 of the coaches you listed are coaching teams in the bottom third of the league. Give me a break

LOL...solid analysis 

Brad has accomplished nothing in this league. Talk to me when he does something more than get a merry band of underdogs to the conferences finals against mediocre competition.   All Brad has proven is that he has yet to master the single most important skill an NBA coach can have, massaging the egos and personalities of star players. Until he can figure that out he has no justifiable claim for being a top coach.

Nothing Brad has done in his coaching career makes me believe he could achieve similar results as the other coaches I listed, given the same players.

You don't think Brad could win a title with two of the best shooters of all time and one of the greatest scorers of all time? You don't think Brad could win with LeBron, Wade and Bosh? Righto

Brad couldn't handle Rondo.  He couldn't handle Irving.  What makes you think he could handle Lebron and Wade?

Kind of weird to say he couldn’t handle rondo. Rondo was a fringe starting point guard after his injuries. We got crowder and Wright who we flipped for a first round pick for him. If anything brad made it so we could still get great value for him. Rondo was averaging 7.5 rebounds and 11 assists in that time under brad and basically never approached those numbers again except for one season of passing in sacramebto. Probably gonna have to rewrite the he “he couldn’t handle rondo” part of your statement. I agree to a point about Kyrie although it is becoming questionable just how much Irving contributes to winning and if he is worth having.

[CptZoogs]

Doncic could miss 2 weeks.  Should make wed easier but I would rather try to beat them at full strength.

[nickagneta]

Doncic could miss 2 weeks.  Should make wed easier but I would rather try to beat them at full strength.

I never understand this opinion. You play who is there. If an opposition's star gets hurt and it's to the Celtics' advantage, great. I don't wish injury on anyone, but if it happens and benefits the Celtics, I am okay with beating the opposition without their star.

I am sure Raptors fans didn't cry over Durant getting hurt in the Finals. And that the 2010 Lakers were upset they didn't beat the Celtics with a healthy Perkins.

[CptZoogs]

Doncic could miss 2 weeks.  Should make wed easier but I would rather try to beat them at full strength.

I never understand this opinion. You play who is there. If an opposition's star gets hurt and it's to the Celtics' advantage, great. I don't wish injury on anyone, but if it happens and benefits the Celtics, I am okay with beating the opposition without their star.

I am sure Raptors fans didn't cry over Durant getting hurt in the Finals. And that the 2010 Lakers were upset they didn't beat the Celtics with a healthy Perkins.

It’s not hard to understand.  This regular season isn’t just about wins and losses.  Its also about building and preparing for the post season.  Facing one of the leagues best players on the road is useful experience.  It also allows us fans to better gauge where the team stands currently.  We just had a shot at one of the better teams in the league and I would like to see how we have adjusted after a long break.  Look at the Patriots season.  We didn’t know what they were until they faced legit competition.  I’ll take the win if we get it, but it won’t mean as much.

[keevsnick]

Doncic could miss 2 weeks.  Should make wed easier but I would rather try to beat them at full strength.

I never understand this opinion. You play who is there. If an opposition's star gets hurt and it's to the Celtics' advantage, great. I don't wish injury on anyone, but if it happens and benefits the Celtics, I am okay with beating the opposition without their star.

I am sure Raptors fans didn't cry over Durant getting hurt in the Finals. And that the 2010 Lakers were upset they didn't beat the Celtics with a healthy Perkins.

To me its pretty simple, this is an entertainment product. I will be more entertained if Doncic plays, hence him not paying is disappointing.

[LilRip]

Doncic could miss 2 weeks.  Should make wed easier but I would rather try to beat them at full strength.

I never understand this opinion. You play who is there. If an opposition's star gets hurt and it's to the Celtics' advantage, great. I don't wish injury on anyone, but if it happens and benefits the Celtics, I am okay with beating the opposition without their star.

I am sure Raptors fans didn't cry over Durant getting hurt in the Finals. And that the 2010 Lakers were upset they didn't beat the Celtics with a healthy Perkins.

To me its pretty simple, this is an entertainment product. I will be more entertained if Doncic plays, hence him not paying is disappointing.

^^this, especially during the grind of the regular season