Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M

[jambr380]

No way he takes that, but at least it's not totally insulting. I think if Brown would do 4 yrs / $100M, the Cs would probably go for it. As has been mentioned with the dearth of FAs next offseason, even just decent production this season will get Jaylen a 4 yr max offer from another team worth about $125M.

The Cs would likely match that number or threaten to match it and be forced to trade him at that point. The $100M number gets Jaylen the respect he feels he 'deserves' while saving the Cs some money.

Note that if the Cs were all in on Jaylen, they would be giving him $170M over 5 years (like Murray and Simmons) so getting him at $100M would basically be a bargain at this point - even if he hasn't shown that he is a max player.

Here is one site with some rough #s on salary, but it seems to fluctuate too often for me to keep up with:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/07/early-nba-maximum-salary-projections-for-202021.html

[footey]

Hope deal can get done at 25/4.  $100 mm has a nice ring to it.

[18isGREATERthan72]

Not a terrible offer, but also not surprised he declined it... I think if they can meet around 25 a year, we'd be pretty happy about that...

Worth noting regarding this whole Hong Kong thing, people are saying that if it goes really bad, it could shrink the cap by about 10% next year which would make this offer from the Celtics VERY competitive.

[fairweatherfan]

Lowball. Danny needs to do better if he genuinely wants to lock him in, because the FA market is so weak this offseason that someone will give him at or near the max if he doesn't substantially regress.

[Phantom255x]

Lol that's literally Rozier money. He won't take it. I think 4/100-110M will be great for all sides though.

[Who]

Ridiculous. Jaylen is a max guy. I would be disappointed in him if he sold himself short by taking a contract that undersells him that badly.

[libermaniac]

I agree, but I have to wonder that, at some point, players may consider the IT/Cousins factor. Basically that if they play out the season and hope for more money, they also risk the chance at a career altering injury that costs them their one guaranteed chance at a huge payday.

I'm pretty sure they can buy an insurance policy against that.  It might cost $1 million, but it would certainly be worth it.

[bdm860]

Buddy Hield apparently just got offered $90m/4yrs for comparison.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

That's the starting point. I would have anticipated Ainge offering a little more, but that is pretty similar to the extension Gordon got. Both players have similar production and upside at that stage in their career.

I think in the end it will be in the four year 100 million range, with the incentives that get it up over nine figures.

[liam]

That's a whole lot of money.

How much more is max?

I guess he can receive $27,250,000 a year so, 109 million for 4 years.

Max is (projected, based on next year’s salary cap):

Celtics can offer: 5 years, $169.7 million (this is the $170 million Simmons and Murray have received).
Other teams could offer: 4 years, $125.8 million
Over four years, Celtics could offer: 4 years, $131 million.

In other words, Brown could get an offer sheet next summer that beats this offer from the C’s by more than 50%.  So no way he agrees without a much higher number.

My proposed offer (that I’m 95% sure is legal) is: 5 years, $122.9 million.  That’s a max contract next year, with the maximum allowed decrease every year.  As far as I can tell, to get the 5-years in an extension, Brown needs only be offered the max salary in year 1.

Thanks for that info. TP

[saltlover]

I agree, but I have to wonder that, at some point, players may consider the IT/Cousins factor. Basically that if they play out the season and hope for more money, they also risk the chance at a career altering injury that costs them their one guaranteed chance at a huge payday.

I'm pretty sure they can buy an insurance policy against that.  It might cost $1 million, but it would certainly be worth it.

They probably can to an extent, but I’d be shocked if there weren’t tales of claims being denied.  If Brown had a first 20 games this season that looked like last year’s start before suffering a significant injury (please no on both), how much lost value is due to the injury vs. his play when healthy?  And he’s not getting a policy for up to the max for only $1 million — the likelihood that Brown suffers such an injury is far greater than 1%, unfortunately.  Basketball is a physical sport.

[Csfan1984]

That's a whole lot of money.

How much more is max?

I guess he can receive $27,250,000 a year so, 109 million for 4 years.

Max is (projected, based on next year’s salary cap):

Celtics can offer: 5 years, $169.7 million (this is the $170 million Simmons and Murray have received).
Other teams could offer: 4 years, $125.8 million
Over four years, Celtics could offer: 4 years, $131 million.

In other words, Brown could get an offer sheet next summer that beats this offer from the C’s by more than 50%.  So no way he agrees without a much higher number.

My proposed offer (that I’m 95% sure is legal) is: 5 years, $122.9 million.  That’s a max contract next year, with the maximum allowed decrease every year.  As far as I can tell, to get the 5-years in an extension, Brown needs only be offered the max salary in year 1.

Thats roughly 24 million a year averaged over the deal, which seems like a years average Brown would probably want to beat and B) Do so on a shorter deal so that if he does blow up he can hit the market sooner.

I think an interesting option would be a shorter deal with a payer option at a bargain-ish price. That gives us a good value contract, while letting him hit the market at a younger age at a presumably higher cap.


I'd  say theres a  good chance he just plays out the season, if he plays well enough to get a big contract then he probably played well enough that the Celtics would be happy to pay it.

I agree, but I have to wonder that, at some point, players may consider the IT/Cousins factor. Basically that if they play out the season and hope for more money, they also risk the chance at a career altering injury that costs them their one guaranteed chance at a huge payday.

NBA model seems to be not to risk it on 1st contract post rookie contract. If you can get a good ext then sign it. It's usually the second contract that players are willing to play out the season. So I'm expecting it to get done.

[keevsnick]

That's a whole lot of money.

How much more is max?

I guess he can receive $27,250,000 a year so, 109 million for 4 years.

Max is (projected, based on next year’s salary cap):

Celtics can offer: 5 years, $169.7 million (this is the $170 million Simmons and Murray have received).
Other teams could offer: 4 years, $125.8 million
Over four years, Celtics could offer: 4 years, $131 million.

In other words, Brown could get an offer sheet next summer that beats this offer from the C’s by more than 50%.  So no way he agrees without a much higher number.

My proposed offer (that I’m 95% sure is legal) is: 5 years, $122.9 million.  That’s a max contract next year, with the maximum allowed decrease every year.  As far as I can tell, to get the 5-years in an extension, Brown needs only be offered the max salary in year 1.

Thats roughly 24 million a year averaged over the deal, which seems like a years average Brown would probably want to beat and B) Do so on a shorter deal so that if he does blow up he can hit the market sooner.

I think an interesting option would be a shorter deal with a payer option at a bargain-ish price. That gives us a good value contract, while letting him hit the market at a younger age at a presumably higher cap.


I'd  say theres a  good chance he just plays out the season, if he plays well enough to get a big contract then he probably played well enough that the Celtics would be happy to pay it.

I agree, but I have to wonder that, at some point, players may consider the IT/Cousins factor. Basically that if they play out the season and hope for more money, they also risk the chance at a career altering injury that costs them their one guaranteed chance at a huge payday.

NBA model seems to be not to risk it on 1st contract post rookie contract. If you can get a good ext then sign it. It's usually the second contract that players are willing to play out the season. So I'm expecting it to get done.

This is more True for second guys who are clear max players than for the rest of an NBA draft class. Those type of guys have no lost upside. The upside for Brown is that he plays like a max guy and the Celtics give him a 4/130 or 5/170 deal next summer. He is potentially giving up 50-90 million dollars. Now I don't know what the odds he gets the max next summer, but it wouldn't shock me.

[SHAQATTACK]

Kemba is already signed ....seems we can't keep ALL Four ? 

Brown near max

Tatum will get max

Hayward....i guess he leaves or takes a big pay cut

[slamtheking]

just taking that as a starting point.  definitely has to be something intended to upped in negotiations. 

if he's thinking "max or nothing", Danny will probably wait until the offseason and sign Jaylen based on what he's offered.  have to say though, based on his preseason play, a max deal is likely coming from somewhere.