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Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #180 on: October 12, 2019, 10:16:50 PM »

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https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1183069837221941248

Field execution of SDF fighters by Turkish proxy fighters.

https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1183080487243407361

Allegations of possible atrocities.

https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1183176786642948096

US Military forces believe shelling of US position was to try and push out US forces.
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Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #181 on: October 12, 2019, 10:25:53 PM »

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and tens of thousands of civilians are also affected as they try to run from the fighting.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/civilians-displaced-turkey-syria-offensive-fear-future-191012194021131.html
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Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #182 on: October 12, 2019, 10:40:08 PM »

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https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1183112864908894208

Additional allegations of war crimes by Turkey.

Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #183 on: October 13, 2019, 06:12:55 AM »

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Turkey has hedged it bets by cozying up with Russia while part of NATO.    If we retaliate they have a new big brother to look after them and they just bought a ton of Russkie Weapons a year or two ago.   This tells me they have been planning this for a while.

Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #184 on: October 13, 2019, 11:28:06 AM »

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https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1183112864908894208

Additional allegations of war crimes by Turkey.

All the details in the links you provided are horrific, but this one is especially harrowing, as it suggests there was a concerted and well-planned effort to carry this out. And then it is bragged about on state TV.

A war crime seems like a mild way to put it.

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« Reply #185 on: October 13, 2019, 11:33:23 AM »

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https://twitter.com/attackerman/status/1183381608948228097

So Us forces are not out of Syria, just moving out of the way of Turkish advance.

https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1183372992925052932

Situation in Syria rapidly deteriorating.

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« Reply #186 on: October 13, 2019, 12:30:09 PM »

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https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1183112864908894208

Additional allegations of war crimes by Turkey.

All the details in the links you provided are horrific, but this one is especially harrowing, as it suggests there was a concerted and well-planned effort to carry this out. And then it is bragged about on state TV.

A war crime seems like a mild way to put it.

I mentioned the Armenian Genocide by the Turks early last century as something they were still capable of under Erdogan. Looks like that is holding true.

Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #187 on: October 13, 2019, 04:47:05 PM »

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Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #188 on: October 13, 2019, 04:50:53 PM »

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More terrible news from Syria.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-airstrikes-syria-journalist-civilians-targeted

Turkey doesn't have any excuse for hitting civilians / reporters.

This is a low point for US foreign policy.

Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #189 on: October 14, 2019, 03:25:18 PM »

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Rapid realignment of alliances on the battlefield in Syria after the US withdrawal created a power vacuum. The Kurds have now allied with Assad, and with Russia who is Assad's main backer, to battle against Turkey (who is also an ally of Russia). So looks like Russia will be on the winning side, whoever that is.

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Kurds agree to deal with Assad as Turkish offensive continues
By Dana Khraiche, Selcan Hacaoglu, Samer Khalil Al-Atrush and Helene Fouquet Bloomberg News,October 14, 2019, 9:39 a.m.

Syrian government forces pushed closer to the Turkish border after striking a deal with Kurdish fighters, as Washington’s decision to abandon its allies reverberated on the battlefield.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says his offensive into Syria is necessary to push back Kurdish militants and resettle refugees, but the rapid advance has drawn international condemnation, accusations of war crimes and a threat of U.S. and European sanctions.

Kurdish forces that previously fought alongside the U.S. have warned they may no longer be able to secure camps and prisons holding Islamic State jihadists, including Europeans whose home countries don’t want them back.

Donald Trump reiterated on Monday that “big sanctions on Turkey” are coming, but defended his decision in Twitter posts reiterating that the U.S. was “not going into another war with people who have been fighting with each other for 200 years.” He also suggested the Kurds may be releasing prisoners “to get us involved.”

The Syrian advance into the northeast has raised concerns that the eight-year Syrian war, which grew out of the Arab Spring uprisings of 2011, is entering a new and unpredictable phase. Russia, whose aerial support helped turn the tide of the conflict in favor of President Bashar al-Assad, has emerged as the key power broker in the latest battle.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2019/10/14/kurds-agree-deal-with-assad-turkish-offensive-continues/QOYRrX28nMgIXWgzo59FLI/story.html


Well played, Vladimir. Well played.
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« Reply #190 on: October 15, 2019, 01:39:41 PM »

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Rapid realignment of alliances on the battlefield in Syria after the US withdrawal created a power vacuum. The Kurds have now allied with Assad, and with Russia who is Assad's main backer, to battle against Turkey (who is also an ally of Russia). So looks like Russia will be on the winning side, whoever that is.

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Kurds agree to deal with Assad as Turkish offensive continues
By Dana Khraiche, Selcan Hacaoglu, Samer Khalil Al-Atrush and Helene Fouquet Bloomberg News,October 14, 2019, 9:39 a.m.

Syrian government forces pushed closer to the Turkish border after striking a deal with Kurdish fighters, as Washington’s decision to abandon its allies reverberated on the battlefield.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says his offensive into Syria is necessary to push back Kurdish militants and resettle refugees, but the rapid advance has drawn international condemnation, accusations of war crimes and a threat of U.S. and European sanctions.

Kurdish forces that previously fought alongside the U.S. have warned they may no longer be able to secure camps and prisons holding Islamic State jihadists, including Europeans whose home countries don’t want them back.

Donald Trump reiterated on Monday that “big sanctions on Turkey” are coming, but defended his decision in Twitter posts reiterating that the U.S. was “not going into another war with people who have been fighting with each other for 200 years.” He also suggested the Kurds may be releasing prisoners “to get us involved.”

The Syrian advance into the northeast has raised concerns that the eight-year Syrian war, which grew out of the Arab Spring uprisings of 2011, is entering a new and unpredictable phase. Russia, whose aerial support helped turn the tide of the conflict in favor of President Bashar al-Assad, has emerged as the key power broker in the latest battle.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2019/10/14/kurds-agree-deal-with-assad-turkish-offensive-continues/QOYRrX28nMgIXWgzo59FLI/story.html


Well played, Vladimir. Well played.

Russia really benefited from this. America is abdicating it's place on the world stage.

Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #191 on: October 15, 2019, 06:48:46 PM »

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Russia really benefited from this. America is abdicating it's place on the world stage.

They haven't wasted any time. Russian troops are now patrolling where American troops were just last week and have moved into a base that the Americans had been using.

Vladimir's been doing a lot of winning in the past few years, hasn't he.  ???

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ISTANBUL — Russia announced Tuesday that its units were patrolling between Turkish and Syrian military forces near the northern Syrian town of Manbij, in a sign that Moscow, a key ally of the Syrian government, was moving to fill a security vacuum after U.S. troops withdrew from the area.

The Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement that military police in northwestern Manbij were patrolling “along the line of contact between the Syrian Arab Republic and Turkey.” A senior Russian official said Moscow was working to prevent a military confrontation between Ankara and Damascus.

“No one wants this kind of clash to happen. It’s completely inadmissible. So, of course, we will not allow that,” Alexander Lavrentyev, Russia’s special presidential envoy for Syria, told reporters in the United Arab Emirates, according to the Interfax news agency.

Russia’s announcement came as the United States said Tuesday that it has removed its own troops from Manbij. “Coalition forces are executing a deliberate withdrawal from northeast Syria,” Col. Myles B. Caggins III, a U.S. military spokesman, wrote on Twitter. “We are out of Manbij.”


Russian and Syrian national flags flutter on military vehicles near Manbij, Syria, Oct. 15, 2019. (Omar Sanadiki/Reuters)

A week-old Turkish offensive into northern Syria has upended alliances and redrawn spheres of control in Syria’s eight-year conflict.  It has uprooted tens of thousands of civilians and sparked fears of resurgence by the Islamic State militant group. The Russian announcement on Tuesday laid bare another consequence: the withdrawal of the United States from at least part of Syria, as one superpower ceded influence to another. 

As torch-passings go, it was almost clumsy. U.S. officials said they had “deconflicted” with their Russian counterparts as they withdrew. They left behind a military outpost that suggested a somewhat hurried exit, according to videos posted by smiling Russian soldiers and journalists who toured the place. Vehicles and weapons appeared to have been removed but a Game Boy, a refrigerator full of soft drinks and what appeared to be a few boxes of Krispy Kreme donuts remained.   

For more read https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syria-says-government-soldiers-enter-manbij-after-us-troops-withdraw/2019/10/15/d494405a-eeb8-11e9-bb7e-d2026ee0c199_story.html
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Re: United States Abandoning Kurdish Allies in North East Syria
« Reply #193 on: October 16, 2019, 01:12:45 PM »

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« Reply #194 on: October 16, 2019, 01:13:10 PM »

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