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US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« on: September 09, 2019, 12:01:04 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
But her emails...
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2019, 04:54:34 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
But her emails...

Both were pretty sloppy.
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2019, 05:32:45 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
But her emails...

Both were pretty sloppy.

She shouldn’t be, and isn’t, President. He shouldn’t be, but is, President. 

We need to fix this, yet many (including you) will still vote for him.

Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2019, 05:54:57 PM »

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Can we please NOT MAKE THIS A WHUTABOUTHILLARY thread?

This is about Trump having seriously compromised US intelligence capabilities and put US operatives at risk.
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2019, 05:58:47 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
But her emails...

Both were pretty sloppy.

Lobster dinner and oil spills are both sloppy, only one is a disaster.

Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2019, 06:08:00 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

It's bad but where was your outrage when this kind of stuff happened under Pres. Obama

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1. That time Obama’s CIA director leaked top-secret information about Seal Team 6. "In 2011, former CIA Director Leon Panetta revealed top secret information about the Osama Bin Laden raid," reports The Federalist, adding:

    Panetta reportedly revealed the name of the Navy SEAL unit that carried out the raid and named their ground commander at a ceremony where “Zero Dark Thirty” writer Mark Boal was in attendance, according to a report by the inspector general at the Department of Defense.

    Panetta reportedly assumed all 1,300 people in attendance at the event had adequate security clearances to hear the top-secret information about the Seal Team 6 raid, according to Politico. The report detailing Panetta’s oversharing flies in the face of the Obama White House’s claims they had never shared any classified information with anyone they shouldn’t have.

2. That time an Obama defense official leaked secret information about Israeli military operations against Iran. As Ben Shapiro pointed out, "An anonymous 'US defense source' [leaked] to the Times of London that Israel had cut a deal with the Saudis to use their airspace to strike Iran. The deal [was] scuttled." The official leaked the classified information of key ally Israel in June 2010, just as the Obama administration was gearing up to take a harsher stance against the Jewish State’s settlement building activities.

3. That time a high-ranking official in Obama’s Joint Chiefs of Staff leaked classified information about cyber attacks against Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Here’s The Federalist again:

    In 2010, Gen. James Cartwright, then vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, allegedly leaked to reporters classified information about cyber attacks on Iran’s nuclear facilities. He reportedly shared documents about a highly sophisticated virus used to foil Iran’s nuclear program to members of the media, but there was no outrage from the press about these disclosures.

    Cartwright pled guilty last October to giving false testimony to FBI agents about his involvement in the leaks, only to be pardoned by President Obama days before he left the White House. Yet this got very little air time on cable news channels.

4. That time Vice President Joe Biden publicly revealed the highly secret identities of the SEAL Team Six Members behind the Osama Bin Laden assassination operation. The leaks directly endangered the lives of the SEAL members. The Washington Examiner reports on Biden's infamous revelation:

    His reckless action put at risk the lives of every member of SEAL Team 6. The Taliban and other jihadists eager to avenge bin Laden now knew which unit to target. Stunned and shocked, SEAL members immediately realized they were going to be hunted by al Qaeda sympathizers.

    Karen Vaughn, the mother of slain SEAL Aaron Vaughn, says that within hours after Mr. Biden’s comments, her son called to tell her to wipe away every piece of information regarding the family on social media, Facebook and Twitter. “I never heard Aaron that afraid in his life,” Mrs. Vaughn said in an interview. “He told me: ‘Mom, we’re picking up chatter. We’re not safe. You’re not safe. Delete everything.’”

    According to Mrs. Vaughn, Mr. Biden essentially placed a bull’s-eye on her son’s back — and that of all the other SEALs. He leaked classified information. SEAL Team 6 is a covert unit, which is supposed to operate in the shadows. This is how they are able to conduct deadly raids on terrorist groups.

5. All those times the Obama administration leaked classified information about highly dangerous Israeli military operations in Syria. Shapiro notes that on at least two occasions, the Obama administration revealed classified about defensive and counter-offensive Israeli military strikes against Assad:

    May 2013: Members of the Obama Pentagon leak information that Israel attacked the Damascus airport to stop a shipment of weapons to terrorist groups. Obama officials actually had to apologize for this leak, since it endangered American lives. They blamed “low-level” employees.

    June 2013: The Obama administration leaks specific information regarding Israeli Arrow 3 anti-ballistic missile sites. Weeks later, US sources tell CNN that Israel attacked a Syrian installation full of Russian-provided missiles. The same month, “American intelligence analysts” tell the New York Times that Israeli strikes had not been effective. All that information was classified.

Syria is a close ally of Iran. By leaking this information, the Obama administration compromised Israel’s national security, leaving the Jewish State vulnerable to retaliation from Iran, a country that has repeatedly called for the complete annihilation of Israel, and Russia, another key Assad ally.

I don't recall any outrage then by you...

I think both the presidents were in the wrong when this crap happened but I bet it really torched those with confirmation bias of hating Pres. Trump.  He is a clown for sure, but I find it humorous it was fine and dandy before and now it's bad.

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Can we please NOT MAKE THIS A WHUTABOUTHILLARY thread?

Done, and that is not an apt comparison really as she was not president.
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2019, 06:14:35 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
But her emails...

Both were pretty sloppy.

She shouldn’t be, and isn’t, President. He shouldn’t be, but is, President. 

We need to fix this, yet many (including you) will still vote for him.

Yes, I will. I find policy to be more important than personality. 
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2019, 06:18:30 PM »

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More whataboutism.   Good lord.  It's like a muscle reflex twitch for some posters.

You have no idea how 'outraged' anyone was at anything that happened with prior presidential administrations.  It's irrelevant and a logical fallacy if you are trying to argue that we should not be outraged at what is happening with THIS presidential administration.

Trying to portray everyone else as hypocrites is not an argument.
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2019, 06:22:34 PM »

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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2019, 06:37:52 PM »

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More whataboutism.   Good lord.  It's like a muscle reflex twitch for some posters.

Note: it wasn’t a Trump supporter who brought up Hillary.
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2019, 06:41:25 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
But her emails...

Both were pretty sloppy.

She shouldn’t be, and isn’t, President. He shouldn’t be, but is, President. 

We need to fix this, yet many (including you) will still vote for him.

Yes, I will. I find policy to be more important than personality. 

If it were just personality, I'd despise him still, but I'd be far more comfortable than I am.  This thread speaks to competence. 

Is competence more important than policy?  The combination of incompetence and narcissism scares the heck out of me.

Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2019, 06:48:42 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
But her emails...

Both were pretty sloppy.

She shouldn’t be, and isn’t, President. He shouldn’t be, but is, President. 

We need to fix this, yet many (including you) will still vote for him.

Yes, I will. I find policy to be more important than personality. 

If it were just personality, I'd despise him still, but I'd be far more comfortable than I am.  This thread speaks to competence. 

Is competence more important than policy?  The combination of incompetence and narcissism scares the heck out of me.
I can't think of many presidential candidates who have a chance of winning that don't fit the description of both inept and narcissistic, to be frank.
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2019, 06:49:43 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
But her emails...

Both were pretty sloppy.

She shouldn’t be, and isn’t, President. He shouldn’t be, but is, President. 

We need to fix this, yet many (including you) will still vote for him.

Yes, I will. I find policy to be more important than personality. 

If it were just personality, I'd despise him still, but I'd be far more comfortable than I am.  This thread speaks to competence. 

Is competence more important than policy?  The combination of incompetence and narcissism scares the heck out of me.

If it is competence that is a concern, then I think the “whataboutism” is probably relevant.
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Re: US had to extract spy from Russia due to leaky Trump
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2019, 06:50:11 PM »

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Consequences of Trump's reckless and careless attitude towards U.S. intelligence community:

https://www.insider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

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A person directly involved with the discussions told the outlet the US was concerned that Trump and his administration routinely mishandled classified intelligence and that their actions could expose the covert source as a spy within the Russian government.

That damage this guy has done on so many fronts will take decades to repair.
But her emails...

Both were pretty sloppy.

She shouldn’t be, and isn’t, President. He shouldn’t be, but is, President. 

We need to fix this, yet many (including you) will still vote for him.

Yes, I will. I find policy to be more important than personality.

Me too! I didn’t like either Clinton personally. At all. But they would have hired competent people and basically let them do their jobs; would not have tried to address our serious trade issues with China cowboy-style, alienating potential allies; would not have supported a massive tax cut for billionaires, or wasted a year pretending they were going to “repeal and replace Obamacare” without any actual plan; would not pretend global warming is a hoax and that coal(!) can come back.

On every big policy issue, trump has been a disaster. We no longer have a constructive conservative party; there are no more Baker- Romney Republicans at the national level any more.

This is all before we get to this issue of his personal ethical lapses, which go miles beyond the Clintons’ admittedly sharp but comparatively limited buckraking.

 

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