2019 Historical Draft Thread(TIME TO REVEAL THE WINNER!!!)

[Somebody]

The Detroit Pistons after eight rounds.

PG: John Stockton / Pete Maravich

SG: Kawhi Leonard

SF: Bernard King / John Havlicek

PF: Elvin Hayes

C : Alonzo Mourning / Dikembe Mutombo

Did some changes. In a perfect world I would like to have a starting 5 with all All-NBA Defensive Team appearances, that would fit well together, but such is life. With scoring being a definitive need of this team, I'm sliding Kawhi Leonard to the SG position, a position he's capable of, and putting in Bernard King at the SF spot. At the end of the day, King may end up being the #1 scoring option for this team, and why wouldn't he? Dude is an absolute stud.

I'm also sliding Alonzo Mourning up to the starting spot, and bringing Dikembe Mutombo on the bench. Love Mt. Mutombo, but Zo offers more as far as scoring, spacing and physicality. Him, along with Elvin Hayes and their range could open up the court a little bit more.

It's such a luxury to have a guy like John Havlicek coming off the bench, and it's awesome that that is a spot he has been comfortable with throughout his career.

I know he's a SG, but I'd put Pistol Pete as the backup PG, for now, until I figure out what to do next. Another luxury to have as a reserve with the flair, scoring and shooting that he has.

I personally would have benched Hayes for Alonzo (despite people disliking that), but it does look good if you can get Hayes to not chuck bricks whenever he gets the ball.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The Detroit Pistons after eight rounds.

PG: John Stockton / Pete Maravich

SG: Kawhi Leonard

SF: Bernard King / John Havlicek

PF: Elvin Hayes

C : Alonzo Mourning / Dikembe Mutombo

Did some changes. In a perfect world I would like to have a starting 5 with all All-NBA Defensive Team appearances, that would fit well together, but such is life. With scoring being a definitive need of this team, I'm sliding Kawhi Leonard to the SG position, a position he's capable of, and putting in Bernard King at the SF spot. At the end of the day, King may end up being the #1 scoring option for this team, and why wouldn't he? Dude is an absolute stud.

I'm also sliding Alonzo Mourning up to the starting spot, and bringing Dikembe Mutombo on the bench. Love Mt. Mutombo, but Zo offers more as far as scoring, spacing and physicality. Him, along with Elvin Hayes and their range could open up the court a little bit more.

It's such a luxury to have a guy like John Havlicek coming off the bench, and it's awesome that that is a spot he has been comfortable with throughout his career.

I know he's a SG, but I'd put Pistol Pete as the backup PG, for now, until I figure out what to do next. Another luxury to have as a reserve with the flair, scoring and shooting that he has.

I personally would have benched Hayes for Alonzo (despite people disliking that), but it does look good if you can get Hayes to not chuck bricks whenever he gets the ball.

I know, but I can't. His defense and his shooting is too valuable as far as spacing, especially now that I have Bernard King starting. I just have to figure out which season I will use for him. He had years where he shot efficiently, so even if he chucks it, I'll be fine. It's not like this team would be upset about it, as this crew is made up of unselfish, team oriented superstars, as long as he makes it.

[Somebody]

The Detroit Pistons after eight rounds.

PG: John Stockton / Pete Maravich

SG: Kawhi Leonard

SF: Bernard King / John Havlicek

PF: Elvin Hayes

C : Alonzo Mourning / Dikembe Mutombo

Did some changes. In a perfect world I would like to have a starting 5 with all All-NBA Defensive Team appearances, that would fit well together, but such is life. With scoring being a definitive need of this team, I'm sliding Kawhi Leonard to the SG position, a position he's capable of, and putting in Bernard King at the SF spot. At the end of the day, King may end up being the #1 scoring option for this team, and why wouldn't he? Dude is an absolute stud.

I'm also sliding Alonzo Mourning up to the starting spot, and bringing Dikembe Mutombo on the bench. Love Mt. Mutombo, but Zo offers more as far as scoring, spacing and physicality. Him, along with Elvin Hayes and their range could open up the court a little bit more.

It's such a luxury to have a guy like John Havlicek coming off the bench, and it's awesome that that is a spot he has been comfortable with throughout his career.

I know he's a SG, but I'd put Pistol Pete as the backup PG, for now, until I figure out what to do next. Another luxury to have as a reserve with the flair, scoring and shooting that he has.

I personally would have benched Hayes for Alonzo (despite people disliking that), but it does look good if you can get Hayes to not chuck bricks whenever he gets the ball.

I know, but I can't. His defense and his shooting is too valuable as far as spacing, especially now that I have Bernard King starting. I just have to figure out which season I will use for him. He had years where he shot efficiently, so even if he chucks it, I'll be fine. It's not like this team would be upset about it, as this crew is made up of unselfish, team oriented superstars, as long as he makes it.

That's fine then. East shaping up to be a bloodbath lol.

[gouki88]

Really happy with getting Moncrief and Lucas.

I think Moncrief is one of the most ideal guys to pair with Tiny off the bench. One of the best guard defenders of all-time, and not at all a slouch on offence. He was also very efficient for a small guard.

Lucas is quite a good get for my bench as well, IMO. At his best he was a 20/20 threat nightly with 3-4 assists a game, and even got up to the mid-50's in terms of FG%.

Interested in seeing how people think my team is looking. It will roll as follows:

Jason Kidd / Tiny Archibald
Paul Pierce / Sidney Moncrief
Larry Bird
Karl Malone / Jerry Lucas
Patrick Ewing

[GreenFaith1819]

Really happy with getting Moncrief and Lucas.

I think Moncrief is one of the most ideal guys to pair with Tiny off the bench. One of the best guard defenders of all-time, and not at all a slouch on offence. He was also very efficient for a small guard.

Lucas is quite a good get for my bench as well, IMO. At his best he was a 20/20 threat nightly with 3-4 assists a game, and even got up to the mid-50's in terms of FG%.

Interested in seeing how people think my team is looking. It will roll as follows:

Jason Kidd / Tiny Archibald
Paul Pierce / Sidney Moncrief
Larry Bird
Karl Malone / Jerry Lucas
Patrick Ewing

If Larry and Paul had ever played together it would've showed how criminally under rated PP34 was.

[Silky]

Just at a casual glance, the Lakers and Mavericks are my two favorite teams.  That Kareem-Davis frontcourt is especially scary.

Bird-Pierce is easily my favorite duo, though.

I love Kareem - he was my first pick in the 2011 Hist. Draft.

But Shaq outweighs him by 100 pounds and ORL Shaq is extremely athletic...and Davis doesn't want any of Shaq down low, either.

And Nate Thurmond is one of the few Bigs to have blocked Kareem's skyhook.

Don't get me wrong, I love Shaq.  Shaq at his most dominant was one of the 5 most unguardable players ever.

But so was Kareem.  They are probably a wash.  The difference is Davis will eat up Webber.

The ONLY Big that can matchup physically with Shaq is Wilt. Shaq will simply back Kareem down and either foul him out or put him on his behind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma7PlO6kFI

Kareem isn't much bigger than Dikembe.

Double Shaq? He will put his fabulous passing skills on display and dish it to a waiting Jerry West, Manu or PG13.

Davis? I don't believe Anthony Davis has faced ANYONE like Chris Webber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzfjq2Dhnc

Check around the 20sec point of the video...Chris Webber has none other than a certain Prime Big (don't want to give out his name) at the top of the key, ball-fakes him and simply drives around him and slams it.

Chris Webber would make AD work. And if Shaq isn't fleet of feet for AD then Nate Thurmond certainly is.

both Hakeem and certainly Yao can withstand shaqs attack.

and both have

And vice versa.

And Chris Webber will pull Yao out to the perimeter, head fake and go around him.

Yao wont be guarding webber, Yao will be guarding the paint.

[gouki88]

Just at a casual glance, the Lakers and Mavericks are my two favorite teams.  That Kareem-Davis frontcourt is especially scary.

Bird-Pierce is easily my favorite duo, though.

I love Kareem - he was my first pick in the 2011 Hist. Draft.

But Shaq outweighs him by 100 pounds and ORL Shaq is extremely athletic...and Davis doesn't want any of Shaq down low, either.

And Nate Thurmond is one of the few Bigs to have blocked Kareem's skyhook.

Don't get me wrong, I love Shaq.  Shaq at his most dominant was one of the 5 most unguardable players ever.

But so was Kareem.  They are probably a wash.  The difference is Davis will eat up Webber.

The ONLY Big that can matchup physically with Shaq is Wilt. Shaq will simply back Kareem down and either foul him out or put him on his behind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma7PlO6kFI

Kareem isn't much bigger than Dikembe.

Double Shaq? He will put his fabulous passing skills on display and dish it to a waiting Jerry West, Manu or PG13.

Davis? I don't believe Anthony Davis has faced ANYONE like Chris Webber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzfjq2Dhnc

Check around the 20sec point of the video...Chris Webber has none other than a certain Prime Big (don't want to give out his name) at the top of the key, ball-fakes him and simply drives around him and slams it.

Chris Webber would make AD work. And if Shaq isn't fleet of feet for AD then Nate Thurmond certainly is.

both Hakeem and certainly Yao can withstand shaqs attack.

and both have

And vice versa.

And Chris Webber will pull Yao out to the perimeter, head fake and go around him.

Yao wont be guarding webber, Yao will be guarding the paint.

For a second I thought you wrote point, lol. That'd be something

[Silky]

Los Angeles Lakers lineup:
PG: Steph Curry/Steve Nash
SG: Tracy McGrady
SF: Julius "Doctor" Erving
PF: Kevin Garnett/Draymond Green
C: Dave Cowens/Artis Gilmore

Thoughts on where I stand among the 12 and what I still need aside from a defensive SG? Btw I've decided to play TMac at SG, he's at worst neutral from film that I've watched when he cranks it up, and I believe that he can do that with a smaller offensive load on this team.

I forgot all about A-Train....Gilmore (along with Wilt) are perhaps the only two that physically can matchup with Shaq.

again,

Yao can, and has, and Shaq himself said no one played him as tough as Yao.

[Silky]

I think ya’ll are sleeping on Detroit! If Zo is starting, all 5 starters have strong defensive chops, versatile offense and are no nonsense no drama players that let their game speak for themselves. Silent killers. The bench sports some scoring pizzaz and a little finger wagging defense to give a jolt when needed. Detroit screams TEAM the most of all the teams, very well balanced. Not just a collection of talent.

Spurs raise an eyebrow to this.

You want defense? I have 2 DPOYs, a 9 time all defensive first team, a 6 time all defensive first team (did have the award during daves first few years) and Butler, one of the best lebron stoppers in the game today, in fact one of the best wing defenders in the league today....he is my worst starting defender of the lot.

My guys are absolutely a team, and my bench is starting to become a massive mismatch potential. I dont see any bench defender right now that can slow Yao.none. I dont see any bench PG that can slow Penny. I dont see many bench sfs that can slow prime season Hedo. My bench is going to force other teams to make adjustments, and my starters will make every team have the hardest time offensively, yet still will put up points in bunches.

Hehe...it’s a good mix, one of my favorites in the West but not as complete/well rounded as Detroit right now.

I do love ur first 3 picks, Kobe, Hakeem and Payton, their defense is stellar plus excellent offensive acumen but don’t know who your PF is and I’m not sold on Butler as a Historic player.
Love the versatility and Talent of Penny on your bench. And Yao is significant. But you really gotta sell me on Hedo, he is kind of a one hit wonder. That conference title w that center and other sharp shooting perimeter PF is kind of an outlier.

for Hedu it is the one season. that is all that matters lol.

And during that season he was a big playmaker, clutch shooter, and he was really special

I get that you pick a single season for a given player but it’s still a historic draft. I think a players place in history matters regardless of the single season. Plus was that one season for Hedo historically great relative to other players historically great seasons or just historically great for him?

I do absolutely love your core trio. The Glove was one of my childhood favorites, and was so psyched on the Dreams championships(absolutely loved watching him juke Shaq out of his shorts) and The Mamba....I hate him but he is incredible. Good fits together. I’m just not sold on some of your other pieces.

But the rules of the game are  season, and 1 season only to base the decisions on.

And that 1 season of Hedu was all time.

[gouki88]

I think ya’ll are sleeping on Detroit! If Zo is starting, all 5 starters have strong defensive chops, versatile offense and are no nonsense no drama players that let their game speak for themselves. Silent killers. The bench sports some scoring pizzaz and a little finger wagging defense to give a jolt when needed. Detroit screams TEAM the most of all the teams, very well balanced. Not just a collection of talent.

Spurs raise an eyebrow to this.

You want defense? I have 2 DPOYs, a 9 time all defensive first team, a 6 time all defensive first team (did have the award during daves first few years) and Butler, one of the best lebron stoppers in the game today, in fact one of the best wing defenders in the league today....he is my worst starting defender of the lot.

My guys are absolutely a team, and my bench is starting to become a massive mismatch potential. I dont see any bench defender right now that can slow Yao.none. I dont see any bench PG that can slow Penny. I dont see many bench sfs that can slow prime season Hedo. My bench is going to force other teams to make adjustments, and my starters will make every team have the hardest time offensively, yet still will put up points in bunches.

Hehe...it’s a good mix, one of my favorites in the West but not as complete/well rounded as Detroit right now.

I do love ur first 3 picks, Kobe, Hakeem and Payton, their defense is stellar plus excellent offensive acumen but don’t know who your PF is and I’m not sold on Butler as a Historic player.
Love the versatility and Talent of Penny on your bench. And Yao is significant. But you really gotta sell me on Hedo, he is kind of a one hit wonder. That conference title w that center and other sharp shooting perimeter PF is kind of an outlier.

for Hedu it is the one season. that is all that matters lol.

And during that season he was a big playmaker, clutch shooter, and he was really special

I get that you pick a single season for a given player but it’s still a historic draft. I think a players place in history matters regardless of the single season. Plus was that one season for Hedo historically great relative to other players historically great seasons or just historically great for him?

I do absolutely love your core trio. The Glove was one of my childhood favorites, and was so psyched on the Dreams championships(absolutely loved watching him juke Shaq out of his shorts) and The Mamba....I hate him but he is incredible. Good fits together. I’m just not sold on some of your other pieces.

But the rules of the game are  season, and 1 season only to base the decisions on.

And that 1 season of Hedu was all time.

I assume the one season of Hedo you're using is '07-'08? Not sure I'd be able to classify him as ever having an all-time type season really. He was definitely solid, but his only accolades are a rookie team and a MIP

[GreenFaith1819]

Just at a casual glance, the Lakers and Mavericks are my two favorite teams.  That Kareem-Davis frontcourt is especially scary.

Bird-Pierce is easily my favorite duo, though.

I love Kareem - he was my first pick in the 2011 Hist. Draft.

But Shaq outweighs him by 100 pounds and ORL Shaq is extremely athletic...and Davis doesn't want any of Shaq down low, either.

And Nate Thurmond is one of the few Bigs to have blocked Kareem's skyhook.

Don't get me wrong, I love Shaq.  Shaq at his most dominant was one of the 5 most unguardable players ever.

But so was Kareem.  They are probably a wash.  The difference is Davis will eat up Webber.

The ONLY Big that can matchup physically with Shaq is Wilt. Shaq will simply back Kareem down and either foul him out or put him on his behind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma7PlO6kFI

Kareem isn't much bigger than Dikembe.

Double Shaq? He will put his fabulous passing skills on display and dish it to a waiting Jerry West, Manu or PG13.

Davis? I don't believe Anthony Davis has faced ANYONE like Chris Webber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzfjq2Dhnc

Check around the 20sec point of the video...Chris Webber has none other than a certain Prime Big (don't want to give out his name) at the top of the key, ball-fakes him and simply drives around him and slams it.

Chris Webber would make AD work. And if Shaq isn't fleet of feet for AD then Nate Thurmond certainly is.

both Hakeem and certainly Yao can withstand shaqs attack.

and both have

And vice versa.

And Chris Webber will pull Yao out to the perimeter, head fake and go around him.

Yao wont be guarding webber, Yao will be guarding the paint.

Then Chris will be more than happy to pop jumpers all day long. Once Yao gets tired of it and tries to come out on him, then Webber will drive right by him.

If Yao reaches, then Chris teaches.

[GreenFaith1819]

Los Angeles Lakers lineup:
PG: Steph Curry/Steve Nash
SG: Tracy McGrady
SF: Julius "Doctor" Erving
PF: Kevin Garnett/Draymond Green
C: Dave Cowens/Artis Gilmore

Thoughts on where I stand among the 12 and what I still need aside from a defensive SG? Btw I've decided to play TMac at SG, he's at worst neutral from film that I've watched when he cranks it up, and I believe that he can do that with a smaller offensive load on this team.

I forgot all about A-Train....Gilmore (along with Wilt) are perhaps the only two that physically can matchup with Shaq.

again,

Yao can, and has, and Shaq himself said no one played him as tough as Yao.

I'll give you that - I remember the interview.

But by the time Kobe takes 30 shots how happy will Yao and Hakeem be?

[GreenFaith1819]

My "X" man is none other than Big Nate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCaYyNvdFL8

[Silky]

Just at a casual glance, the Lakers and Mavericks are my two favorite teams.  That Kareem-Davis frontcourt is especially scary.

Bird-Pierce is easily my favorite duo, though.

I love Kareem - he was my first pick in the 2011 Hist. Draft.

But Shaq outweighs him by 100 pounds and ORL Shaq is extremely athletic...and Davis doesn't want any of Shaq down low, either.

And Nate Thurmond is one of the few Bigs to have blocked Kareem's skyhook.

Don't get me wrong, I love Shaq.  Shaq at his most dominant was one of the 5 most unguardable players ever.

But so was Kareem.  They are probably a wash.  The difference is Davis will eat up Webber.

The ONLY Big that can matchup physically with Shaq is Wilt. Shaq will simply back Kareem down and either foul him out or put him on his behind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma7PlO6kFI

Kareem isn't much bigger than Dikembe.

Double Shaq? He will put his fabulous passing skills on display and dish it to a waiting Jerry West, Manu or PG13.

Davis? I don't believe Anthony Davis has faced ANYONE like Chris Webber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzfjq2Dhnc

Check around the 20sec point of the video...Chris Webber has none other than a certain Prime Big (don't want to give out his name) at the top of the key, ball-fakes him and simply drives around him and slams it.

Chris Webber would make AD work. And if Shaq isn't fleet of feet for AD then Nate Thurmond certainly is.

both Hakeem and certainly Yao can withstand shaqs attack.

and both have

And vice versa.

And Chris Webber will pull Yao out to the perimeter, head fake and go around him.

Yao wont be guarding webber, Yao will be guarding the paint.

Then Chris will be more than happy to pop jumpers all day long. Once Yao gets tired of it and tries to come out on him, then Webber will drive right by him.

If Yao reaches, then Chris teaches.

Is webber going to be your center?

If so then i will just play my bench in a zone defense and continually spam yao postups offensively

[Silky]

Los Angeles Lakers lineup:
PG: Steph Curry/Steve Nash
SG: Tracy McGrady
SF: Julius "Doctor" Erving
PF: Kevin Garnett/Draymond Green
C: Dave Cowens/Artis Gilmore

Thoughts on where I stand among the 12 and what I still need aside from a defensive SG? Btw I've decided to play TMac at SG, he's at worst neutral from film that I've watched when he cranks it up, and I believe that he can do that with a smaller offensive load on this team.

I forgot all about A-Train....Gilmore (along with Wilt) are perhaps the only two that physically can matchup with Shaq.

again,

Yao can, and has, and Shaq himself said no one played him as tough as Yao.

I'll give you that - I remember the interview.

But by the time Kobe takes 30 shots how happy will Yao and Hakeem be?

When my team is up by 20 they will be fine with it