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My initial thought would be -- why wouldn't you want to sit down and talk with US Congresspersons who have different views about the region?

Tlaib and Omar didn’t want to meet with representatives for either the government or the opposition, which is apparently unprecedented.

Got it. Thanks.

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The correct choice by Israelis.
The congresswoman where not going to IL to promote piece or have a discussion.

True or not, they are still US Congresswomen. Banning members of Congress from your country should be considered a big deal.
Congresswoman who calls for a ban on them- why should they be let in?

Because allies don’t generally ban high ranking officials of other allies, that don’t pose a material threat.

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If I were Israel, I’d decline to let them in. They’re seemingly supportive of terrorist organizations aimed at annihilating Israel.

I mean, does anybody disagree here?

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"The plan of the two Congresswomen is only to damage Israel and to foment against Israel," Netanyahu said in a statement following the decision.

But, it’s Israel’s independent judgment to make. It certainly doesn’t show weakness.
you never ever want to go on record as agreeing with netanyahu. it currently puts you in the same boat as the leaders of saudi arabia and other disgusting regimes.

and neither of these congresspeople support terrorist organizations. plus, the israeli state and its military are far far greater threats (real and potential) than palestinian people are to the israeli people.
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If I were Israel, I’d decline to let them in. They’re seemingly supportive of terrorist organizations aimed at annihilating Israel.

I mean, does anybody disagree here?

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"The plan of the two Congresswomen is only to damage Israel and to foment against Israel," Netanyahu said in a statement following the decision.

But, it’s Israel’s independent judgment to make. It certainly doesn’t show weakness.

Yes Roy, people disagree. Thats why its kind of big topic of discussion. I think you can certainly be against, even condemn some of the actions Israel has taken against Palestinians and not be Anti-Semitic. I don't view a call to boycott Israel as a terrorist action, nor from what I understand does it seek to annihilate Israel. It seeks to do what essentially all boycotts do, get an "offending party" to change their course of action.

The think that troubles me about this conversation is it feels at times like any criticism of Israel gets you labeled a racist, its the rights own version of political correctness right along with standing for the anthem. This is a nuanced situation, theres rom to disagree in either direction and not be a racist, or even wrong. 

All that said if Israel doesn't wnat them there, thats their right. It looks petty to me, I'd like to think Israel is strong enough it would survive a visit from freshman congressman.

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This sounds like a publicity stunt they went there to get a reaction under the guise of an alleged humanitarian visit.

Here are some of the things Omar has said about Israel:

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“Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel,” she tweeted in 2012.

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“I mean just our relationship with the Israeli government and the Israeli state. And so when I see Israel institute laws that recognize it as a Jewish state and does not recognize the other religions that are living in it,” she said during an interview, when asked to explain her comments claiming the Israelis are prioritized by the U.S.

“And we still uphold it as a democracy in the Middle East I almost chuckle because I know that if we see that any other society we would criticize it, call it out,” the lawmaker continued. “We do that to Iran, we do that to any other place that sort of upholds its religion. And I see that now happening with Saudi Arabia and so I am aggravated, truly, in those contradictions.”

Talib is much more smarter and her comments are not as bad,  Omar often plays the out of context card.   Deal with it.  Of course, the moment that anything the media dislikes is going to be blamed on the only criminal mastermind that the even Avengers could not take down.   The nefarious President Trump.

Omar has a 9 percent approval rating  so the more she is out there the more it helps President Trump.

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Omar is recognized by 53 percent of voters and has an approval rating of just 9 percent
Voters understand what socialism is, and 69 percent of them view it unfavorably, while just 18 percent view it favorably
Capitalism, meanwhile, is viewed favorably by 56 percent of respondents, and negatively by 32 percent

US polls for support of Israel are close to 70+%, do the math, only a small minority of people will care about this in an election and it may even hurt the Dems.

You can be held accountable for what you say, how refreshing!    At the end of the day,  I think Israel which is a sovereign county was well within their rights to bar Omar.

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Omar has a 9 percent approval rating  so the more she is out there the more it helps President Trump.

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Omar is recognized by 53 percent of voters and has an approval rating of just 9 percent
Voters understand what socialism is, and 69 percent of them view it unfavorably, while just 18 percent view it favorably
Capitalism, meanwhile, is viewed favorably by 56 percent of respondents, and negatively by 32 percent

This poll you keep quoting is literally only of white people with 2 years or less of college in swing states who pass likely voter screens. Aka a highly selective sample that's among the most likely to have unfavorable opinions of black Muslim leftists. This is directly explained in the article you're pasting from - sure seems like important context to leave out!



Back on topic, Israel slightly reversed course and gave permission for Tlaib to visit her grandmother in Palestine (remember Palestine was "her own country" that this American born American citizen was supposed to "go back to" instead of telling "us" how to run "our government"), but only on the grounds she not promote a boycott. She's refusing the restriction and won't go.

EDIT: Looks like she requested the exemption, got it, then refused it in all under 24 hours. So a purely political maneuver.
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The correct choice by Israelis.
The congresswoman where not going to IL to promote piece or have a discussion.

True or not, they are still US Congresswomen. Banning members of Congress from your country should be considered a big deal.
Congresswoman who calls for a ban on them- why should they be let in?

Because allies don’t generally ban high ranking officials of other allies, that don’t pose a material threat.

Didn't Obama prevent an Israeli government official from coming here? 

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just two pages for this one to get into Obama. I wonder how many pages before this has something to do with Hillary Clinton.

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This poll you keep quoting is literally only of white people with 2 years or less of college in swing states who pass likely voter screens. Aka a highly selective sample that's among the most likely to have unfavorable opinions of black Muslim leftists. This is directly explained in the article you're pasting from - sure seems like important context to leave out!

What I forgot to point out that and you did as well as it was a  new internal Democrat poll in swing districts released, rest assured the GOP think even less of her.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/49475/not-typo-democrat-poll-shows-what-voters-think-ryan-saavedra

Funny how race comes up as soon as something does not mesh for the Dems

She is less popular than ICE
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/poll-ilhan-omar-and-aoc-are-less-popular-than-ice

Polls thought can be loaded, and the way you word makes a big difference.    Sure, people might have less likely to like a black muslim, but guess what those people can still vote and their opinions can swing elections.   I think that is a terrible reason not to support someone.      Those of you on the liberal coasts really don't understand swing states because you really don't have that phenomena there I wager.  I live in Oho.  It can literally go either way, this is our norm. 

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Looks like she requested the exemption, got it, then refused it in all under 24 hours. So a purely political maneuver.

Definitely, Omar and Talib are trying to play this up for results but a lot of people in the USA like Israel.   This may backfire on them.   Most Christians like Israel because they are told too in Church.   I see Isreal as a dubious ally as best but we sure sell them a lot of weapon systems and they have one of the best armies for their size in the world.
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just two pages for this one to get into Obama. I wonder how many pages before this has something to do with Hillary Clinton.

when someone says something doesn't generally happen, you expect no one to point out when it recently happened?  ::)

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Israel should do whatever they want. These two congresswomen, at the end of the day, probably don’t like the US much and detest Israel. Israel is a breath of fresh air in a region that is otherwise a large crap hole with a bunch of countries that, over the course of millennia, can’t get out of their own way if their lives depended on it. You could count the list of significant contributions to humankind that region has made in recent centuries on one hand.

Good for Israel and good for Trump. This conversation to me is no different than the immigration discussion - so far down the wrong track of discussion and completely confused with political correctness it’s ridiculous. Just call it what it is and move on with it. A major bunch of BS. The US soon better start having more and more real, direct and incredibly honest discussion about immigration, trade and the Middle East - or before long we won’t recognize our country and the biggest loser in that end game not named the the US, will basically be the rest of the world. Take us out of the equation and you’d have basically global anarchy inside 18 months - at most. The US will be very well served by stop worrying about hurting every e else’s “feelings” and start taking care of ourselves and protecting what we have here or it will be gone. In all of human history the US is an outlier of human experience and condition - it is an absolute exception and it is exceptional. It needs to looked after like our lives depend on it - because they do.

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I mean even super-lefty himself, Bill Maher, has words for these two clowns.

Of course, now Tlaib is calling for a boycott against him too.  That's just too funny.

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I mean even super-lefty himself, Bill Maher, has words for these two clowns.

Of course, now Tlaib is calling for a boycott against him too.  That's just too funny.

“Super-lefty” Maher is a long-time Islamophobe.  I’ve never understood why he gets a pass from the left. His general intolerance towards all religions has always disgusted me, but he has a special hatred of Islam.

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I don't blame Israel. Talib and Omar shunned a bipartisan congressional group and went independent of the group.  They were also funded by Miftah an anti Semitic group that condones Palestinian terrorism and suicide bombings.  These two congresswomen were playing a game that Israel didn't want to play.  Blaming Trump is a weak attempt by the media.

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Something the media neglected to cover on this one

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"But another huge story, one that has not been covered by any mainstream paper or network is the fact that their trip to Israel, or as they're calling Palestine, was being sponsored by a group that literally published neo-Nazi blood libels and said that it supported female suicide bombers. You know, hailing them as heroes. That's a scandal."

The trip, as Weiss explained, was sponsored by Miftah, an organization that seeks to highlight the Palestinian plight. But, they have also praised female suicide bombers and they regularly promote anti-Semitic doctrines, such as the “blood libel,” which suggests “Jews used the blood of Christians in the Jewish Passover.

"If someone like Steve King was going to Sweden or Norway and eating with neo-Nazi groups, that would be front page news," Weiss continued. "One of the questions I think we need to ask is: Is the fact that Trump has lodged racist horrible attacks on these women, has that made them sort of untouchable for us to cover in an accurate way?"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/nyt-columnist-its-a-scandal-that-media-didnt-cover-omar-tlaib-israel-trip-sponsors

 

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