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Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2019, 11:46:23 AM »

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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Best case scenario there would be resignation or bi-partisan impeachment, so that the GOP could get a qualified candidate.
I think at this stage in the game...we are a bit past that point. If the Mueller report didn't do it, the hush money payments didn't do it, and literally everything else didn't do it. He's not resigning OR gonna be impeached. The real only hope for Dems is to take back the Senate - but I sorta feel like that ship is sailing away with so many qualified candidates unsuccessfully running for president.

Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Best case scenario there would be resignation or bi-partisan impeachment, so that the GOP could get a qualified candidate.
I think at this stage in the game...we are a bit past that point. If the Mueller report didn't do it, the hush money payments didn't do it, and literally everything else didn't do it. He's not resigning OR gonna be impeached. The real only hope for Dems is to take back the Senate - but I sorta feel like that ship is sailing away with so many qualified candidates unsuccessfully running for president.

I was speculating on nickís hypothetical. I think that there are extreme circumstances that could make Trump toxic to all but the most diehard extremists. In that case, Iíd hope for a quick resignation or impeachment.

As things stand now, though, heíll sail to the nomination.
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Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.

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Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters. 

Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
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Nor any hypocrisy of their own party or acknowledgment of any good Pres. Trump something those against him would acknowledge.

Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.
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Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2019, 05:59:38 PM »

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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.

TP ....well written ...i did NOT vote for Trump  or Hillary.   I was disappointed with my choices  >:( ....so i voted third party candidate who had zero chance of winning. 

other than his stupid tweeting every freaking day about something , i feel pretty much the same as you today .  He turned out better than i thought on some issues.Im totally opposed to any war unless we are attacked ,  many before him were ready to go to war at the drop of a hat. 

He most likey will get my vote this time though , unless one party can produce a CLEAR better choice.

Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2019, 06:28:03 PM »

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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.

Before it is even remotely clear who the dem nominee is you declare yourself voting for someone whose values you readily admonish.  Candidates like Ryan, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Bullock, Harris and Biden are too far to the left for you to even consider?   Yours is probably the most frightening post I've seen in a long time.  A person who has expressed deep concern and dislike for Trump is going to vote for him regardless of the dem nominee.   

That sort of puts a knife into my hope that the country will acknowledge that a human being so brazen in his diviciveness, so plainly narcissistic, so readily willing to lie at every turn, so easily swayed to give credibility to unfounded conspiracies, so prone to bullying, so willing to deny science, so willing to ignore his own intelligence agencies warnings about Russia, so unclear and impulsive in his decision-making, so thin-skinned and reactive to any hint of disloyalty or criticism -- this is the man that a smart and decent mainstream conservative can't find a single dem in a field of 24 who is suitable to consider voting for against this abomination.  I appreciate the honesty -- but it leaves me pretty deflated.   
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Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.

Before it is even remotely clear who the dem nominee is you declare yourself voting for someone whose values you readily admonish.  Candidates like Ryan, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Bullock, Harris and Biden are too far to the left for you to even consider?   Yours is probably the most frightening post I've seen in a long time.  A person who has expressed deep concern and dislike for Trump is going to vote for him regardless of the dem nominee.   

That sort of puts a knife into my hope that the country will acknowledge that a human being so brazen in his diviciveness, so plainly narcissistic, so readily willing to lie at every turn, so easily swayed to give credibility to unfounded conspiracies, so prone to bullying, so willing to deny science, so willing to ignore his own intelligence agencies warnings about Russia, so unclear and impulsive in his decision-making, so thin-skinned and reactive to any hint of disloyalty or criticism -- this is the man that a smart and decent mainstream conservative can't find a single dem in a field of 24 who is suitable to consider voting for against this abomination.  I appreciate the honesty -- but it leaves me pretty deflated.

Iím a conservative. I support most conservative positions.  Trump has moved many of my policy goals forward, and the economy is booming.

Harris and Biden are quite left, and have almost no alignment with my policy positions.

Trump is the most extreme President weíve had, but do you remember the Clinton years? How many were willing to vote for him despite being a liar and a bad human being? He was a womanizer and a man who committed perjury as President, but he was embraced.

I canít embrace Trump, but I do know that his policies are largely aligned with my preferences.  I absolutely hate his rhetoric, but honestly I equally hate the rhetoric of the left. I feel that Democrats as a whole have abandoned both the religious and the working poor, two groups that I have tremendous sympathy for (despite no longer belonging to either group).  Trump is divisive, but he only has traction because of the divisiveness and identity politics that came before him.. 

The only Democrat that Iím aware of that I would support at the national level is Joe Manchin. If he ran, Iíd support him over Trump.  Trump was my last choice in the 2016 primaries, and Iíd take just about any Republican over him, from Kasich to Cruz (with Haley my favorite ó policy, morality, strength, guts.)
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Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2019, 07:22:17 PM »

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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.

Before it is even remotely clear who the dem nominee is you declare yourself voting for someone whose values you readily admonish.  Candidates like Ryan, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Bullock, Harris and Biden are too far to the left for you to even consider?   Yours is probably the most frightening post I've seen in a long time.  A person who has expressed deep concern and dislike for Trump is going to vote for him regardless of the dem nominee.   

That sort of puts a knife into my hope that the country will acknowledge that a human being so brazen in his diviciveness, so plainly narcissistic, so readily willing to lie at every turn, so easily swayed to give credibility to unfounded conspiracies, so prone to bullying, so willing to deny science, so willing to ignore his own intelligence agencies warnings about Russia, so unclear and impulsive in his decision-making, so thin-skinned and reactive to any hint of disloyalty or criticism -- this is the man that a smart and decent mainstream conservative can't find a single dem in a field of 24 who is suitable to consider voting for against this abomination.  I appreciate the honesty -- but it leaves me pretty deflated.

Iím a conservative. I support most conservative positions.  Trump has moved many of my policy goals forward, and the economy is booming.

Harris and Biden are quite left, and have almost no alignment with my policy positions.

Trump is the most extreme President weíve had, but do you remember the Clinton years? How many were willing to vote for him despite being a liar and a bad human being? He was a womanizer and a man who committed perjury as President, but he was embraced.

I canít embrace Trump, but I do know that his policies are largely aligned with my preferences.  I absolutely hate his rhetoric, but honestly I equally hate the rhetoric of the left. I feel that Democrats as a whole have abandoned both the religious and the working poor, two groups that I have tremendous sympathy for (despite no longer belonging to either group).  Trump is divisive, but he only has traction because of the divisiveness and identity politics that came before him.. 

The only Democrat that Iím aware of that I would support at the national level is Joe Manchin. If he ran, Iíd support him over Trump.  Trump was my last choice in the 2016 primaries, and Iíd take just about any Republican over him, from Kasich to Cruz (with Haley my favorite ó policy, morality, strength, guts.)

If you think it is the Democrats that have abandoned the poor, such that you are willing to vote for the Republicans (let alone Trump) ... I just don't know what to say.    GOP policies have done nothing to help the working poor and have indeed been all about fueling the growing class inequities in our country.

The methodical and relentless destruction of labor unions by the GOP is probably the most critical force pushing folks out of the middle class and into the 'working poor'.
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Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2019, 07:34:46 PM »

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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.

Before it is even remotely clear who the dem nominee is you declare yourself voting for someone whose values you readily admonish.  Candidates like Ryan, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Bullock, Harris and Biden are too far to the left for you to even consider?   Yours is probably the most frightening post I've seen in a long time.  A person who has expressed deep concern and dislike for Trump is going to vote for him regardless of the dem nominee.   

That sort of puts a knife into my hope that the country will acknowledge that a human being so brazen in his diviciveness, so plainly narcissistic, so readily willing to lie at every turn, so easily swayed to give credibility to unfounded conspiracies, so prone to bullying, so willing to deny science, so willing to ignore his own intelligence agencies warnings about Russia, so unclear and impulsive in his decision-making, so thin-skinned and reactive to any hint of disloyalty or criticism -- this is the man that a smart and decent mainstream conservative can't find a single dem in a field of 24 who is suitable to consider voting for against this abomination.  I appreciate the honesty -- but it leaves me pretty deflated.

Iím a conservative. I support most conservative positions.  Trump has moved many of my policy goals forward, and the economy is booming.

Harris and Biden are quite left, and have almost no alignment with my policy positions.

Trump is the most extreme President weíve had, but do you remember the Clinton years? How many were willing to vote for him despite being a liar and a bad human being? He was a womanizer and a man who committed perjury as President, but he was embraced.

I canít embrace Trump, but I do know that his policies are largely aligned with my preferences.  I absolutely hate his rhetoric, but honestly I equally hate the rhetoric of the left. I feel that Democrats as a whole have abandoned both the religious and the working poor, two groups that I have tremendous sympathy for (despite no longer belonging to either group).  Trump is divisive, but he only has traction because of the divisiveness and identity politics that came before him.. 

The only Democrat that Iím aware of that I would support at the national level is Joe Manchin. If he ran, Iíd support him over Trump.  Trump was my last choice in the 2016 primaries, and Iíd take just about any Republican over him, from Kasich to Cruz (with Haley my favorite ó policy, morality, strength, guts.)

If you think it is the Democrats that have abandoned the poor, such that you are willing to vote for the Republicans (let alone Trump) ... I just don't know what to say.    GOP policies have done nothing to help the working poor and have indeed been all about fueling the growing class inequities in our country.

The methodical and relentless destruction of labor unions by the GOP is probably the most critical force pushing folks out of the middle class and into the 'working poor'.

Do you think itís right to compel union dues and then spend those dues on political causes that might not be supported by the majority of workers?
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Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2019, 09:03:31 PM »

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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.

Before it is even remotely clear who the dem nominee is you declare yourself voting for someone whose values you readily admonish.  Candidates like Ryan, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Bullock, Harris and Biden are too far to the left for you to even consider?   Yours is probably the most frightening post I've seen in a long time.  A person who has expressed deep concern and dislike for Trump is going to vote for him regardless of the dem nominee.   

That sort of puts a knife into my hope that the country will acknowledge that a human being so brazen in his diviciveness, so plainly narcissistic, so readily willing to lie at every turn, so easily swayed to give credibility to unfounded conspiracies, so prone to bullying, so willing to deny science, so willing to ignore his own intelligence agencies warnings about Russia, so unclear and impulsive in his decision-making, so thin-skinned and reactive to any hint of disloyalty or criticism -- this is the man that a smart and decent mainstream conservative can't find a single dem in a field of 24 who is suitable to consider voting for against this abomination.  I appreciate the honesty -- but it leaves me pretty deflated.

Iím a conservative. I support most conservative positions.  Trump has moved many of my policy goals forward, and the economy is booming.

Harris and Biden are quite left, and have almost no alignment with my policy positions.

Trump is the most extreme President weíve had, but do you remember the Clinton years? How many were willing to vote for him despite being a liar and a bad human being? He was a womanizer and a man who committed perjury as President, but he was embraced.

I canít embrace Trump, but I do know that his policies are largely aligned with my preferences.  I absolutely hate his rhetoric, but honestly I equally hate the rhetoric of the left. I feel that Democrats as a whole have abandoned both the religious and the working poor, two groups that I have tremendous sympathy for (despite no longer belonging to either group).  Trump is divisive, but he only has traction because of the divisiveness and identity politics that came before him.. 

The only Democrat that Iím aware of that I would support at the national level is Joe Manchin. If he ran, Iíd support him over Trump.  Trump was my last choice in the 2016 primaries, and Iíd take just about any Republican over him, from Kasich to Cruz (with Haley my favorite ó policy, morality, strength, guts.)

For the record, I think Clinton is a scumbag.  I liked many of his political views and voted for him twice.  While I gave him benefit of the doubt regarding affairs (which I regret) in 1992 and 1996, when news of the Lewinsky affair surfaced in 1998, I was disgusted and have been a Clinton hater ever since.

Sometimes (Nixon, Clinton, Trump) people are too bad for me to accept that they can be the leader of my country even if they support things that I support.  Arguing that Dems voted for a scumbag is not really the best justification for voting for a scumbag.  Obviously, I didn't pick it up quickly enough to withhold my vote from Bill (incidentally, I liked neither Hillary nor Bernie in 2016 and voted for Kasich in the primary -- but yes, Hillary over Donald), but the volume of evidence occurring daily v. Trump to me is overwhelming.  I've been known amongst my friends to voice the wish that Mike Pence -- who from a political standpoint I absolutely abhor - were president.   I don't expect squeaky clean from politicians, but when they are bad (and I realize it), I don't vote for them.  I didn't vote for Ted Kennedy over the last 20 years of his career (embarrassed that I did at one point) but thought he was a terrific senator and worked hard for many things I favored -- but a man who did what he did should not have been elected senator.  I hope there are enough conservatives willing to go to the left in order to get Donald out of office and out of our lives.

Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2019, 09:47:52 PM »

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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

Quote
Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.

Before it is even remotely clear who the dem nominee is you declare yourself voting for someone whose values you readily admonish.  Candidates like Ryan, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Bullock, Harris and Biden are too far to the left for you to even consider?   Yours is probably the most frightening post I've seen in a long time.  A person who has expressed deep concern and dislike for Trump is going to vote for him regardless of the dem nominee.   

That sort of puts a knife into my hope that the country will acknowledge that a human being so brazen in his diviciveness, so plainly narcissistic, so readily willing to lie at every turn, so easily swayed to give credibility to unfounded conspiracies, so prone to bullying, so willing to deny science, so willing to ignore his own intelligence agencies warnings about Russia, so unclear and impulsive in his decision-making, so thin-skinned and reactive to any hint of disloyalty or criticism -- this is the man that a smart and decent mainstream conservative can't find a single dem in a field of 24 who is suitable to consider voting for against this abomination.  I appreciate the honesty -- but it leaves me pretty deflated.

Iím a conservative. I support most conservative positions.  Trump has moved many of my policy goals forward, and the economy is booming.

Harris and Biden are quite left, and have almost no alignment with my policy positions.

Trump is the most extreme President weíve had, but do you remember the Clinton years? How many were willing to vote for him despite being a liar and a bad human being? He was a womanizer and a man who committed perjury as President, but he was embraced.

I canít embrace Trump, but I do know that his policies are largely aligned with my preferences.  I absolutely hate his rhetoric, but honestly I equally hate the rhetoric of the left. I feel that Democrats as a whole have abandoned both the religious and the working poor, two groups that I have tremendous sympathy for (despite no longer belonging to either group).  Trump is divisive, but he only has traction because of the divisiveness and identity politics that came before him.. 

The only Democrat that Iím aware of that I would support at the national level is Joe Manchin. If he ran, Iíd support him over Trump.  Trump was my last choice in the 2016 primaries, and Iíd take just about any Republican over him, from Kasich to Cruz (with Haley my favorite ó policy, morality, strength, guts.)

For the record, I think Clinton is a scumbag.  I liked many of his political views and voted for him twice.  While I gave him benefit of the doubt regarding affairs (which I regret) in 1992 and 1996, when news of the Lewinsky affair surfaced in 1998, I was disgusted and have been a Clinton hater ever since.

Sometimes (Nixon, Clinton, Trump) people are too bad for me to accept that they can be the leader of my country even if they support things that I support.  Arguing that Dems voted for a scumbag is not really the best justification for voting for a scumbag.  Obviously, I didn't pick it up quickly enough to withhold my vote from Bill (incidentally, I liked neither Hillary nor Bernie in 2016 and voted for Kasich in the primary -- but yes, Hillary over Donald), but the volume of evidence occurring daily v. Trump to me is overwhelming.  I've been known amongst my friends to voice the wish that Mike Pence -- who from a political standpoint I absolutely abhor - were president.   I don't expect squeaky clean from politicians, but when they are bad (and I realize it), I don't vote for them.  I didn't vote for Ted Kennedy over the last 20 years of his career (embarrassed that I did at one point) but thought he was a terrific senator and worked hard for many things I favored -- but a man who did what he did should not have been elected senator.  I hope there are enough conservatives willing to go to the left in order to get Donald out of office and out of our lives.

Iím curious, do you have any ďdealbreakerĒ issues, where if a candidate didnít see things your way you couldnít vote for him or her?

Without inviting discussion of the issue, Iím pro-life, and I just canít bring myself to vote for somebody who isnít in line with my views. Thus, even if a Dem were fairly conservative on fiscal issues, I just canít support them.

I think a lot of Dems have deal breakers that keep them from supporting moderate Republicans, etc. 
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Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2019, 10:59:52 PM »

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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

Quote
Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.

Before it is even remotely clear who the dem nominee is you declare yourself voting for someone whose values you readily admonish.  Candidates like Ryan, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Bullock, Harris and Biden are too far to the left for you to even consider?   Yours is probably the most frightening post I've seen in a long time.  A person who has expressed deep concern and dislike for Trump is going to vote for him regardless of the dem nominee.   

That sort of puts a knife into my hope that the country will acknowledge that a human being so brazen in his diviciveness, so plainly narcissistic, so readily willing to lie at every turn, so easily swayed to give credibility to unfounded conspiracies, so prone to bullying, so willing to deny science, so willing to ignore his own intelligence agencies warnings about Russia, so unclear and impulsive in his decision-making, so thin-skinned and reactive to any hint of disloyalty or criticism -- this is the man that a smart and decent mainstream conservative can't find a single dem in a field of 24 who is suitable to consider voting for against this abomination.  I appreciate the honesty -- but it leaves me pretty deflated.

Iím a conservative. I support most conservative positions.  Trump has moved many of my policy goals forward, and the economy is booming.

Harris and Biden are quite left, and have almost no alignment with my policy positions.

Trump is the most extreme President weíve had, but do you remember the Clinton years? How many were willing to vote for him despite being a liar and a bad human being? He was a womanizer and a man who committed perjury as President, but he was embraced.

I canít embrace Trump, but I do know that his policies are largely aligned with my preferences.  I absolutely hate his rhetoric, but honestly I equally hate the rhetoric of the left. I feel that Democrats as a whole have abandoned both the religious and the working poor, two groups that I have tremendous sympathy for (despite no longer belonging to either group).  Trump is divisive, but he only has traction because of the divisiveness and identity politics that came before him.. 

The only Democrat that Iím aware of that I would support at the national level is Joe Manchin. If he ran, Iíd support him over Trump.  Trump was my last choice in the 2016 primaries, and Iíd take just about any Republican over him, from Kasich to Cruz (with Haley my favorite ó policy, morality, strength, guts.)

For the record, I think Clinton is a scumbag.  I liked many of his political views and voted for him twice.  While I gave him benefit of the doubt regarding affairs (which I regret) in 1992 and 1996, when news of the Lewinsky affair surfaced in 1998, I was disgusted and have been a Clinton hater ever since.

Sometimes (Nixon, Clinton, Trump) people are too bad for me to accept that they can be the leader of my country even if they support things that I support.  Arguing that Dems voted for a scumbag is not really the best justification for voting for a scumbag.  Obviously, I didn't pick it up quickly enough to withhold my vote from Bill (incidentally, I liked neither Hillary nor Bernie in 2016 and voted for Kasich in the primary -- but yes, Hillary over Donald), but the volume of evidence occurring daily v. Trump to me is overwhelming.  I've been known amongst my friends to voice the wish that Mike Pence -- who from a political standpoint I absolutely abhor - were president.   I don't expect squeaky clean from politicians, but when they are bad (and I realize it), I don't vote for them.  I didn't vote for Ted Kennedy over the last 20 years of his career (embarrassed that I did at one point) but thought he was a terrific senator and worked hard for many things I favored -- but a man who did what he did should not have been elected senator.  I hope there are enough conservatives willing to go to the left in order to get Donald out of office and out of our lives.

Iím curious, do you have any ďdealbreakerĒ issues, where if a candidate didnít see things your way you couldnít vote for him or her?

Without inviting discussion of the issue, Iím pro-life, and I just canít bring myself to vote for somebody who isnít in line with my views. Thus, even if a Dem were fairly conservative on fiscal issues, I just canít support them.

I think a lot of Dems have deal breakers that keep them from supporting moderate Republicans, etc. 
so again you've snuck in your position on the forbidden topic.  to me, this is hypocritical in light of your proclamation of being someone in support of a SC that has a strict interpretation of the Constitution because people of a like opinion base it on personal religious beliefs and want to violate the first amendment by (A) forcing their religious beliefs on others and by (B) interfering with free speech of a doctor discussing all treatment options with their patients including the forbidden topic.

I know someone of your position.  she loves Trump for the sole fact he's stacking the SC in regards to the forbidden topic.  her pious, ultra-religious views seem to fall by the wayside regarding all Trump's other reprehensible behavior just on this sole idea. 

horrifying that someone so reprehensible continues to be supported regardless of what he does no matter what someone's reason is.

Re: Scaramucci Breaks from Trump: First Domino?
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..or him outwardly saying he "Hates (racial slurs)" for Republicans to turn on Trump, at this point. It's sad, but I think a disgusting immoral, racist minority of the great Republican Party is running it right now and the good people of that party don't have the gumption to take it back.

Yeah I don't think there is a single chance that if Trump did that the 'voting for Trump cuz Liberals made us by nominating Hillary' voters or the 'We just want the Supreme Court seats, we don't approve of Trump at all besides voting for him and doing nothing else to oppose him' voters would give a fat crap about Trump getting caught on video saying he hates minorities or using racial slurs. People already assume that about him.

Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory accusing a former president of murder. People who continue to vote for Trump do not care about social norms anymore. What they want to get out of Trump is varying but what is uniting is that they're willing to look past his faults to do it, and they can't be shamed into changing their minds.

I'm starting to look at Trumpism as kind of a fever that has to run its course. Hopefully it's only 4 years, but if we don't take the whole cycle of antibiotics it could come back.
I disagree. I think there are quite a lot of people who are Republican that can go along with dog whistle racial comments but would draw a line on video and audio proof of Trump saying he hates two groups of people using the worst racial epitets. At that point, powerful guys like Senators Kennedy and McConnell or Congressman McCarthy would have to draw the line in order to get re-elected. And with the power in the Senate and House denouncing him, the turn would happen.

Here's an actual sitting President of the United States of America, 10 days after a pair of shootings that rocked the nation and prodded said sitting President to finally put in place some more stringent background checks, mocking a TV news personality saying the man was so 'crazy' he should be red flagged, using the actual reforms he wants enacted due to the 30 people left dead in said shooting.

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Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon. Heís nuts!

If you think there is a significant block of voters who can tolerate that, tolerate the other stuff Trump says on a weekly sometimes daily sometimes hourly basis, but Trump using a vulgar racial slur is a bridge too far, I cannot disagree hard enough. Those people do not exist en masse.
agreed. 

there are those here who proclaimed they voted for him as the lesser evil between him and Hillary who are still planning to vote for him in 2020 no matter who the Dems eventually put up.  there is no bar too low for many Trump voters.

I'll be voting for him again because, despite being a disgusting human being, I overall like what he has done for the economy, immigration, tax cuts and judicial nominations.  I think he's been much better in those areas than I suspect a Democrat would be.  I haven't minded his foreign policy, and he hasn't moved the country sharply rightward on certain social issues.

I give him low marks for fiscal responsibility, and personal dignity / morality.  He doesn't inspire, and he doesn't lead.  But, I'm not inspired by any of the Dems, either.  So, I'll be voting for him, and I won't be ashamed of it.  I just wish there was a better conservative candidate who was in line with both my positions and my values.

Before it is even remotely clear who the dem nominee is you declare yourself voting for someone whose values you readily admonish.  Candidates like Ryan, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Bullock, Harris and Biden are too far to the left for you to even consider?   Yours is probably the most frightening post I've seen in a long time.  A person who has expressed deep concern and dislike for Trump is going to vote for him regardless of the dem nominee.   

That sort of puts a knife into my hope that the country will acknowledge that a human being so brazen in his diviciveness, so plainly narcissistic, so readily willing to lie at every turn, so easily swayed to give credibility to unfounded conspiracies, so prone to bullying, so willing to deny science, so willing to ignore his own intelligence agencies warnings about Russia, so unclear and impulsive in his decision-making, so thin-skinned and reactive to any hint of disloyalty or criticism -- this is the man that a smart and decent mainstream conservative can't find a single dem in a field of 24 who is suitable to consider voting for against this abomination.  I appreciate the honesty -- but it leaves me pretty deflated.

Iím a conservative. I support most conservative positions.  Trump has moved many of my policy goals forward, and the economy is booming.

Harris and Biden are quite left, and have almost no alignment with my policy positions.

Trump is the most extreme President weíve had, but do you remember the Clinton years? How many were willing to vote for him despite being a liar and a bad human being? He was a womanizer and a man who committed perjury as President, but he was embraced.

I canít embrace Trump, but I do know that his policies are largely aligned with my preferences.  I absolutely hate his rhetoric, but honestly I equally hate the rhetoric of the left. I feel that Democrats as a whole have abandoned both the religious and the working poor, two groups that I have tremendous sympathy for (despite no longer belonging to either group).  Trump is divisive, but he only has traction because of the divisiveness and identity politics that came before him.. 

The only Democrat that Iím aware of that I would support at the national level is Joe Manchin. If he ran, Iíd support him over Trump.  Trump was my last choice in the 2016 primaries, and Iíd take just about any Republican over him, from Kasich to Cruz (with Haley my favorite ó policy, morality, strength, guts.)

If you think it is the Democrats that have abandoned the poor, such that you are willing to vote for the Republicans (let alone Trump) ... I just don't know what to say.    GOP policies have done nothing to help the working poor and have indeed been all about fueling the growing class inequities in our country.

The methodical and relentless destruction of labor unions by the GOP is probably the most critical force pushing folks out of the middle class and into the 'working poor'.

Do you think itís right to compel union dues and then spend those dues on political causes that might not be supported by the majority of workers?

This one is easy:  If the worker is benefiting from the compensation negotiated by the collective bargaining agreement, yes.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt?  Incompetent?  Which is worse?  Does it matter?  It sucks.