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Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« on: July 25, 2019, 01:17:18 AM »

Offline ozgod

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I think his point was that other players played out their contracts and then left (e.g. LeBum, KD) as opposed to AD (and Rich Paul) who forced a public tug of war for his services and ruined the seasons of the Pels, the Lakers (and probably affected the Celtics as well, with all the trade innuendo). He doesn't think it's good for the league.

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Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr is not happy with the events that transpired to expedite the departure of Anthony Davis from the New Orleans Pelicans to the Los Angeles Lakers, saying it was "bad for the league."

Kerr said the trend of players who are not free agents forcing trades to get out of existing contracts, as evidenced by the Davis-to-Lakers deal, is a "real problem."

"I'm talking more about the Anthony Davis situation," Kerr told The Warriors Insider Podcast. "Where a guy is perfectly healthy and has a couple years left on his deal and says, 'I want to leave.' That's a real problem that the league has to address and that the players have to be careful with.

"When you sign on that dotted line, you owe your effort and your play to that team, to that city, to the fans. And then it's completely your right to leave as a free agent. But if you sign the contract, then you should be bound to that contract."

Davis, who had another season left on his deal with the Pelicans when he requested a trade to the Lakers in January, was dealt to Los Angeles in exchange for three players and three first-round draft picks in June.

"If you come to an agreement with the team that, 'Hey, it's probably best for us to part ways,' that's one thing," Kerr said. "But the Davis stuff was really kind of groundbreaking -- and hopefully not a trend, because it's bad for the league."

NBA commissioner Adam Silver has repeatedly said he wishes trade demands "were handled behind closed doors" to avoid franchises being involved in very public tugs of war over the teams' and players' best interests.

"You have a contract and it needs to be meaningful on both sides," Silver said at the Las Vegas Summer League earlier this month. "On one hand, there's an expectation if you have a contract and it's guaranteed that the team is going to meet the terms of the contract, and the expectation on the other side is the player is going to meet the terms of the contract.

"I will say, without getting into any specific circumstances, trade demands are disheartening. They're disheartening to the team. They're disheartening to the community and don't serve the player well. The players care about their reputations just as much. And so that's an issue that needs to be addressed."

On the podcast, Kerr agreed there's a right way and a wrong way to the process.

"What LeBron [James] did, played out his contract. What Kevin [Durant] did, both when he arrived at Golden State and when he left. You sign contracts, you play them out and you move on. That's how it should be done," Kerr said.

"But it's a little disturbing that there has been some action that happens before contracts are up, where teams are sort of held hostage and the league is sort of held hostage. I'm not a big fan of that. That's damaging for everybody."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27250922/kerr-forced-trade-davis-bad-league
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Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2019, 02:13:05 AM »

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I actually agree.

But in fairness, I have to admit that my reasoning comes from a place of some selfishness.  As a fan, you always want to see your team do well.  You team goes out, manages to pull of a big move and sign a premier free agent.  Suddenly all the fans are excited, cheering for this guy, feeling we are set for 3-4 years of exciting basketball.

Then a year later one of the players friends signs with another team in the offseason, so he decides to come out and demand a trade.  Now the team is forced to trade a disgruntled start for a fraction of what they are worth. 

It's not only the team that loses out, it's the fans.  And the players are very quick to say "without the players there would be no league".  That's true.  But without the fans there would be no league, no huge salaries, no private jets, no big mansions. 

I think this is what the players don't get.  They always make the argument - teams can trade players any time.  They dont need to be loyal to their players.  Why shouldn't the players be able to leave prematurely too?  Why should the payers need to be loyal?

What they don't consider is that they aren't only being disloyal to the team, they are also being disloyal to the fans. 

Guys like Lebron and Durant, much as i don't like they way they did things, they can come out and say "I stayed here the duration of my deal, I gave my fans years of great basketball, I played out my commitment to the team and to the fans".  And that's fair. 

But a guy like AD or Paul George - trying to forcibly bail out on your team and your fans.  I think that's kinda lame.

It's almost getting to the point where as  fan, you have to be cautious about getting excited for anything - even a free agent signing.  Because for all you know he's just going to demand a trade in a year or two if he isn't happy.  That sucks.

Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2019, 02:14:11 AM »

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Glad someone in the league said it. Perhaps all those that think players under contract do not owe anybody anything will be better educated as to what it means to sign a contract.

Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2019, 02:55:57 AM »

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I actually agree.

But in fairness, I have to admit that my reasoning comes from a place of some selfishness.  As a fan, you always want to see your team do well.  You team goes out, manages to pull of a big move and sign a premier free agent.  Suddenly all the fans are excited, cheering for this guy, feeling we are set for 3-4 years of exciting basketball.

Then a year later one of the players friends signs with another team in the offseason, so he decides to come out and demand a trade.  Now the team is forced to trade a disgruntled start for a fraction of what they are worth. 

It's not only the team that loses out, it's the fans.  And the players are very quick to say "without the players there would be no league".  That's true.  But without the fans there would be no league, no huge salaries, no private jets, no big mansions. 

I think this is what the players don't get.  They always make the argument - teams can trade players any time.  They dont need to be loyal to their players.  Why shouldn't the players be able to leave prematurely too?  Why should the payers need to be loyal?

What they don't consider is that they aren't only being disloyal to the team, they are also being disloyal to the fans. 

Guys like Lebron and Durant, much as i don't like they way they did things, they can come out and say "I stayed here the duration of my deal, I gave my fans years of great basketball, I played out my commitment to the team and to the fans".  And that's fair. 

But a guy like AD or Paul George - trying to forcibly bail out on your team and your fans.  I think that's kinda lame.

It's almost getting to the point where as  fan, you have to be cautious about getting excited for anything - even a free agent signing.  Because for all you know he's just going to demand a trade in a year or two if he isn't happy.  That sucks.

There's always going to be fans- no end to it. If they lose one fan, so what. They have billions more and the new kids come into the block.


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Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2019, 04:42:42 AM »

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PG, Kyrie, AD, James Harden either made them send CP3 or he wanted out (CP3 or harden), etc. have all done it but I think the worst was PG! He had a brand new deal, 3 years left. Kyrie was next with 2 years. That's crazy. Why even sign these deals if you can/you will force your way out right away? Something needs to change. I get that they can trade you anytime but that is a part of the contract. Maybe add that if you want out you have to fulfill a certain mandatory amount of the contract, 4 year deal you can't ask out for 3, 3 yrs you do 2 etc. You also shouldn't be able to go public.

This is going to be tough to fix IMO.
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Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2019, 06:01:27 AM »

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PG, Kyrie, AD, James Harden either made them send CP3 or he wanted out (CP3 or harden), etc. have all done it but I think the worst was PG! He had a brand new deal, 3 years left. Kyrie was next with 2 years. That's crazy. Why even sign these deals if you can/you will force your way out right away? Something needs to change. I get that they can trade you anytime but that is a part of the contract. Maybe add that if you want out you have to fulfill a certain mandatory amount of the contract, 4 year deal you can't ask out for 3, 3 yrs you do 2 etc. You also shouldn't be able to go public.

This is going to be tough to fix IMO.

I think the Cs management have set a good precedent for the league in terms of its approach to players. The Cs pursue players not only with talent but with good character. Horford, Hayward, Kemba, Tatum, Brown, GWill being examples of this.

Players with good character are going to honor their contracts and use best efforts to fulfill them. Some elite players consider their contracts to be mere guidelines but given the nature of basketball, with only 12 players and very few true difference makers, it is impossible to police this.

The teams who have these types of players have not, in my view, acted irrationally this offseason.  OKC saw itself in cap hell without a realistic chance of competing for a championship and jumped at the opportunity to rid itself of PG's contract. It received an incredible amount of assets in return.

I hope the Cs continue to target stars like Kemba in the future. It will make for a much more entertaining product. Sacrificing a certain level of talent for a somewhat similarly talented player with strong integrity is a win in my book.

Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2019, 06:07:17 AM »

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So the man who adds the 2nd best player in the league after finishing a season 73-9 is complaining about things that are bad for the league and that wasn't it.  Give me a break.  What a hypocrite. 

And here's the thing, Kerr is just wrong.  AD honored his contract.  He didn't sit out.  He never refused to play.  Apparently Kerr thinks it would have been better if Davis just played out his contract and left the Pelicans with nothing.  How is that better for the league.  At least now, the Lakers gave up real assets and the Pelicans got a real chance at starting over. 

So to recap, Kerr thinks it is better for the league for a small market to be left with nothing all while being cool with adding a MVP to the best regular season team in history for basically nothing.  What a piece of work.
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Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2019, 06:30:48 AM »

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Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2019, 11:35:56 AM »

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I suppose it depends on what we think the league is for and what the prevailing theory is regarding what fans want and what kinds of fans matter.


It's probably true that extremely-online younger generation fans like the chaos and just want to follow the biggest stars, regardless of where they play.


I'm not sure how healthy the league would be if casual online-only fans were the only people really paying attention, though.
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Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2019, 11:38:48 AM »

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So the man who adds the 2nd best player in the league after finishing a season 73-9 is complaining about things that are bad for the league and that wasn't it.  Give me a break.  What a hypocrite. 

And here's the thing, Kerr is just wrong.  AD honored his contract.  He didn't sit out.  He never refused to play.  Apparently Kerr thinks it would have been better if Davis just played out his contract and left the Pelicans with nothing.  How is that better for the league.  At least now, the Lakers gave up real assets and the Pelicans got a real chance at starting over. 

So to recap, Kerr thinks it is better for the league for a small market to be left with nothing all while being cool with adding a MVP to the best regular season team in history for basically nothing.  What a piece of work.

Don’t think he was saying that. 

"If you come to an agreement with the team that, 'Hey, it's probably best for us to part ways,' that's one thing," Kerr said. "But the Davis stuff was really kind of groundbreaking -- and hopefully not a trend, because it's bad for the league."

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2019, 12:12:48 PM »

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So the man who adds the 2nd best player in the league after finishing a season 73-9 is complaining about things that are bad for the league and that wasn't it.  Give me a break.  What a hypocrite. 

And here's the thing, Kerr is just wrong.  AD honored his contract.  He didn't sit out.  He never refused to play.  Apparently Kerr thinks it would have been better if Davis just played out his contract and left the Pelicans with nothing.  How is that better for the league.  At least now, the Lakers gave up real assets and the Pelicans got a real chance at starting over. 

So to recap, Kerr thinks it is better for the league for a small market to be left with nothing all while being cool with adding a MVP to the best regular season team in history for basically nothing.  What a piece of work.

I generally agree with you. If a team was able to recoup some compensation after their star FA left - either in the form of draft picks or a Free Agent Exception (like a TPE) - that would be one thing; but I personally think it's better for a player to tell a team he is not planning on re-signing so that the team can get something in return.

Look at the Cs this year - most people agree that it would have been better to get something for Kyrie rather than having him walk. When Horford left, we were luckily able to save ourselves by signing Kemba (and then Kanter), but we fell below the salary cap in the process. Now, instead of being able to offer the full MLE and the BAE - all we had was the paltry room exception. It's like teams get doubly burned for losing their star FA.

I don't agree with the AD situation, as I think trade demands should occur in the offseason. PG having 3 years left on his deal was also a little dubious, but at least NOP and OKC made out like bandits.

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2019, 12:14:08 PM »

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players need to honor their contract.

Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2019, 12:54:20 PM »

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I think what I would say is that if the star players feel as though they shouldnt have to play out a multi-year deal with a team they don't want to be on, then the teams should be able to cut players who are hurt or underperforming without taking a cap hit or having to pay the remainder.


Can't have it both ways. You want the security of multiple years guaranteed, you can't expect to have the freedom to insist that the team send you somewhere that you like better when there are multiple years remaining on your deal.
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Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2019, 01:08:56 PM »

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And here's the thing, Kerr is just wrong.  AD honored his contract.  He didn't sit out.  He never refused to play.  Apparently Kerr thinks it would have been better if Davis just played out his contract and left the Pelicans with nothing.  How is that better for the league.  At least now, the Lakers gave up real assets and the Pelicans got a real chance at starting over. 

So to recap, Kerr thinks it is better for the league for a small market to be left with nothing all while being cool with adding a MVP to the best regular season team in history for basically nothing.  What a piece of work.

Correct. No one is forcing general managers to trade players other than the fear of looking incompetent when their stars walk for nothing in free agency.

Re: Steve Kerr: AD's trade request "bad for the league"
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2019, 02:39:17 PM »

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