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LIVE: Mueller testifies before Congress.
« on: July 24, 2019, 09:15:55 AM »

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Just thought I'd start a post for those who are listening LIVE.

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Has Robert Mueller ever spoken in public before? Is this a freaky Friday situation where he switched bodies with a 15 year old or something?

Thank god for Matt Gaetz pushing Mueller around maybe he can get the old fella to show some life.

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The sad part is that what ever comes out of these hearing will not change the views of the most Trumpian supporters. According to them - "he can do no wrong" and "this is a witch hunt".

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Republicans are doing all the heavy lifting here. Democrats can't get Mueller to say anything that will pop. Republicans going pathos arguments with vague characterizations seem to get more of a rise out of Mueller.

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

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All the politicians' sound and fury aside, the narrative of the Mueller Report and what he's describing in the hearings is pretty simple:

1. Russia engaged in a "sweeping and systematic" attack on America's elections to benefit Donald Trump
2. Trump + co were aware of the attack, welcomed it, sought more, and covered for the attackers by lying to the American people
3. However, not enough evidence was found to charge with criminal conspiracy
4. Trump repeatedly attempted to obstruct justice during the investigation of the attack on America
5. Mueller could not legally indict him for it while in office because of the OLC memo forbidding it
6. So that decision goes to Congress, with the Constitutional remedy being impeachment and a trial in the Senate


The biggest new development is Mueller has multiple times come much closer to saying he WOULD have indicted Trump were it not for the OLC memo, and that the DoJ could do exactly that once he's out of office.  But the most important thing about these hearings is that many more Americans will see these clips and soundbites than have read the report.
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All the politicians' sound and fury aside, the narrative of the Mueller Report and what he's describing in the hearings is pretty simple:

1. Russia engaged in a "sweeping and systematic attack" on America's elections to benefit Donald Trump
2. Trump + co were aware of the attack, welcomed it, sought more, and covered for the attackers by lying to the American people
3. However, not enough evidence was found to charge with criminal conspiracy
4. Trump repeatedly attempted to obstruct justice during the investigation of the attack on America
5. Mueller could not legally indict him for it while in office because of the OLC memo forbidding it
6. So that decision goes to Congress, with the Constitutional remedy being impeachment and a trial in the Senate


The biggest new development is Mueller has multiple times come much closer to saying he WOULD have indicted Trump were it not for the OLC memo, and that the DoJ could do exactly that once he's out of office.  But the most important thing about these hearings is that many more Americans will see these clips and soundbites than have read the report.

but it will not change anything unless Pelosi decides to proceed with impeachment proceeds tomorrow.

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Something very striking about Republicans' questioning - no one is really pushing back on Mueller's descriptions of repeated attempts to obstruct justice. They aren't claiming it didn't happen or is being exaggerated, they're just trying to impugn the investigation itself.

Reminds me of the old legal expression "if the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the facts and the law are against you, pound the table and yell like hell".  A few Rs are trying to argue the law, but most of them are just pounding the table. None seem to be arguing the facts. The tacit acceptance that the President did these things is really something.
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The biggest new development is Mueller has multiple times come much closer to saying he WOULD have indicted Trump were it not for the OLC memo, and that the DoJ could do exactly that once he's out of office.  But the most important thing about these hearings is that many more Americans will see these clips and soundbites than have read the report.

but it will not change anything unless Pelosi decides to proceed with impeachment proceeds tomorrow.

What hopefully changes is how many people vote in 2020 for him and the republicans who are covering for him.  Once he is out of office, the indictments will come from all directions.  Impeachment is a dead end as long as republicans control the Senate other than allowing the public to see and hear more about Trump's actions. 

Unless you are brainwashed, it is impossible to not conclude Trump interfered with the investigation.  Do people really think it is OK for a president to interfere with an investigation (ask people to lie, etc.)?  And do you really think Trump is interfering for the good of the country, not his own best interest?

He clearly obstructed justice multiple times, an absolute pattern.  As President, he can't be charged.  As a private citizen, he will be toast.  I guess as long as he is president, he is above the law.  Isn't that exactly what the OLC thing is saying and this hearing is confirming?  He committed acts that any other person would be indicted for but as long as he is president, he can't be touched.

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Something very striking about Republicans' questioning - no one is really pushing back on Mueller's descriptions of repeated attempts to obstruct justice. They aren't claiming it didn't happen or is being exaggerated, they're just trying to impugn the investigation itself.

Reminds me of the old legal expression "if the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the facts and the law are against you, pound the table and yell like hell".  A few Rs are trying to argue the law, but most of them are just pounding the table. None seem to be arguing the facts. The tacit acceptance that the President did these things is really something.

Good insight.  Thanks

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The biggest new development is Mueller has multiple times come much closer to saying he WOULD have indicted Trump were it not for the OLC memo, and that the DoJ could do exactly that once he's out of office.  But the most important thing about these hearings is that many more Americans will see these clips and soundbites than have read the report.

but it will not change anything unless Pelosi decides to proceed with impeachment proceeds tomorrow.

What hopefully changes is how many people vote in 2020 for him and the republicans who are covering for him.  Once he is out of office, the indictments will come from all directions.  Impeachment is a dead end as long as republicans control the Senate other than allowing the public to see and hear more about Trump's actions. 

Unless you are brainwashed, it is impossible to not conclude Trump interfered with the investigation.  Do people really think it is OK for a president to interfere with an investigation (ask people to lie, etc.)?  And do you really think Trump is interfering for the good of the country, not his own best interest?

He clearly obstructed justice multiple times, an absolute pattern.  As President, he can't be charged.  As a private citizen, he will be toast.  I guess as long as he is president, he is above the law.  Isn't that exactly what the OLC thing is saying and this hearing is confirming?  He committed acts that any other person would be indicted for but as long as he is president, he can't be touched.
^ THIS. However, if you listen to FoxNews, their spin is to focus on the Steele and the dossier. So Trump supporters are listening to see if Mueller answers ANYTHING regarding Steele and dossier. Since that wasn't part of his scope, they are dismissing his testimony and the House Republicans are smearing him because of it.

FoxNews will cover the Republicans smearing Mueller, non-answers to Steele/Steele dossier and Strzok/Page 'text' answers.

CNN/MSNBC will cover Mueller, his integrity, and his NON-obstruction from Pres Trump answers.

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Funny to see how many congresspeople have ended with “no one is above the law” as though they had some great line that nobody else thought of
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Something very striking about Republicans' questioning - no one is really pushing back on Mueller's descriptions of repeated attempts to obstruct justice. They aren't claiming it didn't happen or is being exaggerated, they're just trying to impugn the investigation itself.

Reminds me of the old legal expression "if the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the facts and the law are against you, pound the table and yell like hell what difference does it make".  A few Rs are trying to argue the law, but most of them are just pounding the table. None seem to be arguing the facts. The tacit acceptance that the President did these things is really something.

FIFY

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The sad part is that what ever comes out of these hearing will not change the views of the most Trumpian supporters. According to them - "he can do no wrong" and "this is a witch hunt".

The flip of that is that what ever comes out of these hearings will not change the views of Trump haters who have viewed him and his presidency from the beginning as illegitimate and amoral.

Man, this country is so polarized.

The Dems better get their act together and find a legit, moderate candidate to run against Trump, or the country will have 4 more years of him.

The sad part is that the main moderate Dem (Biden) of whom I am not a big fan, but is killing Trump in the polls, will most likely not get the nomination because he probably won't get out of the primary.

Dem candidates slipping left to cater to the primaries plays right into Trump's hands. Maybe it'll play into Biden's hands too.

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Quigley getting the strongest condemnation yet from Mueller in criticizing Trump+co's active promotion of material stolen by a hostile foreign power, saying "Problematic is an understatement in terms of what it displays in terms of giving some hope, or, I don’t know, some boost, to what is, and should be, illegal activity.”.

You can tell he's far more passionate about the attack on America itself than the partisan stuff. As it should be, though of course even acknowledging there was an attack or that there's anything wrong with foreign governments attacking us is an increasingly partisan position.

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recording the whole testimony to watch after work.  the tidbits I've caught have seem like Dems are trying to be meticulous in going through that report trying to get Mueller to say there was a crime but he couldn't charge Trump.   Reps trying to spin the testimony that there was no collusion or conspiracy.

interesting part for me will be the second hearing where they question the findings regarding collusion or conspiracy.  seems really hard to believe that with all the interaction between Trump's campaign and the Russians that there was no cooperation between them.  The fact Trump's campaign knew what was going on and didn't report the interference alone should be criminal.

 

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