Cavs as an option to fill out our frontcourt

[celticsclay]

I don't think the Cavs would do that trade.  They really like Nance and aren't exactly clamoring to get rid of Thompson either.

Why do the Cavs really like Nance out of curiosity?

Per min his rebounding and scoring were down last year (15.5 points to 12.5 points, 12 rebounds to 11) and he shot a bit worse from the field. Worse, he has missed at least 15 games every season of his career. He has an extension about to kick in also and is making 43 million the next 3 years when his best role is probably a first big off the bench. Do the Cavs really like paying Nance 43 million for 65 games a year or less?

I don't think he is awful and would certainly help the Celtics given our current frontcourt, but he just seems like another guy. It would interesting if he was really highly valued by the Cavs as a core player.

Thompson I have a hard time believing anyone could get too excited about. He has missed 70 games the last two seasons. Is his value just that he is an 18.5 million expiring? Unless there is a deal lined up I can't imagine any team being excited about Thompson at 18.5 million.

[Silky]

People either have short memories or only recently became NBA fans.  Utah Hayward was one heck of an all around player - who was still improving.

I think it's just a massive lack in patience

Or not.

If Gordon has a bad season team will without a doubt be handcuffed with another year of him.

If Gordon has a great season, it would be unreasonable to assume he would opt in, which means the team either has to cough up another max contract, or lose him for nothing.

So some of us see that the team is going young, the potential of either gordon proving he will never be back to his old form and team being saddled, or him being better and opting out and lose him for nothing, or as some reports state, his presence continues to be a sour note with some players.

I get that you're hell-bent on shipping Hayward for peanuts, but his value can literally only go up. I don't know how many times I and other posters have to say this, but you choose to ignore it, so that's alright.

If Gordon does not improve at all, how does his value go up?

You speak in absolutes, nothing is an absolute, nothing.


You have stated nothing, at any point in time to change my opinion. I am not set in stone in anyway shape or form, but I have yet to hear 1 single, rational, counterpoint other than.
1) perception of team around the NBA for trading a player who got hurt 2 years ago
2) his value will only go up. it wont stay the same, it wont decrease just solely go up. based on nothing, just that it will.
3) he was an allstar years back, on a different team, before the injury, in a different system, when he was younger


I have stated the potential of the opposite, a number of times, and am just still dealing with this new label of being hayward hater.

reasons to trade Hayward:
1) High salary low productin
2) older than tatum and brown
3) potentially being an expiring would increase value
4) can sell the potential of him being better next season, which raises his value, as opposed to having him play out the season and potentially show he is never going to be the same player which crushes his value, he opts in, and we are stuck with a 35 million dollar subpar bench player.
5) can use his large salary to fill depth need at multiple locations.
6) he and Tatums natural positions are both SF

If you look at realistic trade options for the team moving forward, today, june 28th, 2019

you have an allnba defender who is constantly improving, never complains and is only 25
a young 2 way sg who you would not trade for Leonard
a young potential superstar at sf (haywards position)
Lots of rookies and players on rookie scale contracts
Hayward

Its really hayward or smart as the only viable trade options moving from here.

And if I have a team of
Kemba, Brown, Tatum, all the youth
I cannot see any arguement as to why the skills that marcus brings, at the price he brings them, is not a better fit than another player who needs the ball to make stuff happen. We know how Irving and Hayward worked, why beat a dead horse.

Offensively we would have Kemba and Tatum and 1a and 1b options. Then brown as the 3rd option, and either a bigman or marcus smart as the 4th option.

defensively, its not even close, Marcus and Brown playing the wings with Kemba will completely negate any weaknesses that Kemba has.


If team wants to win now, then Hayward is the logical trade choice.

If team wants to spread the rebuild over multiple years, great, run with a weak front court and address it next season with MLE, potential capspace, 3 draft picks.

Contracts get more valuable the less time they have on them when the player is not worth said contract. Not sure how many times I have to repeat that.

I'm going to ignore all your talk about trading Hayward being "logical", because frankly it is nothing of the sort

Haywards contract is potentially a 1 year contract. Will be if you believe he returns to form.

And great counter to all of my points in my post. Just state it illogical and proclaim you will ignore me. Not how you win a debate. Quite the opposite. And it makes you look very rude.

[Surferdad]

I don't think the Cavs would do that trade.  They really like Nance and aren't exactly clamoring to get rid of Thompson either.

Why do the Cavs really like Nance out of curiosity?

Per min his rebounding and scoring were down last year (15.5 points to 12.5 points, 12 rebounds to 11) and he shot a bit worse from the field. Worse, he has missed at least 15 games every season of his career. He has an extension about to kick in also and is making 43 million the next 3 years when his best role is probably a first big off the bench. Do the Cavs really like paying Nance 43 million for 65 games a year or less?

I don't think he is awful and would certainly help the Celtics given our current frontcourt, but he just seems like another guy. It would interesting if he was really highly valued by the Cavs as a core player.

Thompson I have a hard time believing anyone could get too excited about. He has missed 70 games the last two seasons. Is his value just that he is an 18.5 million expiring? Unless there is a deal lined up I can't imagine any team being excited about Thompson at 18.5 million.

I've always liked Nance as a backup big "glue-guy".  However, Theis is probably the better value and could be had for much less than Nance's contract.

Stay away from Thompson.  18.5 is too much for what he gives you.

[dreamgreen]

Sorry but any trade that involves moving Hayward loses all credibility for me.

[pearljammer10]

Hayward isn’t being traded.

[chiken]

You lost me at Tristan..