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Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2019, 09:15:13 PM »

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Bump.

A Hall of Fame limit would help teams get creative in their selections
Moranis does bring up a good point tho. How would you determine the value of newer players that would count as HOFers?
If it stays at the amount of players we have currently, could both a HOF limit and a specific time span (1960-1989 for example) help? This could help reduce confusion about recent players like Ben Wallace, as they wouldn't be available.

Or just make the recent players who are eligible for the Hall but who miss out count a season half a player ;D

I'm really not sure.
I still don't like the idea of having a limit as there are real problems with that and frankly you can find yourself getting into trouble if you have a team full of alpha dogs.  That said, we could use the HOF probability rating at basketball reference if we wanted a dividing line.  It still can cause some issues if you have current players (like Giannis and Kawhi for example who aren't very high yet but seem pretty clearly on HOF trajectory), but is probably the fairest way to do it.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

Just do something like anyone over 0.5 counts as a HOFer (doesn't have to be 0.5, but most everyone eligible with a probability greater than that is in and it is closer to 50/50 below it as not). 
Historical Draft - Portland Trailblazers
PG - Magic Johnson, Tony Parker
SG - Clyde Drexler, Dennis Johnson, Alvin Robertson
SF - James Worthy, Alex English
PF - Charles Barkley, Ben Wallace
C - Moses Malone, George Mikan, Brad Daugherty

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2019, 09:23:54 PM »

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Bump.

A Hall of Fame limit would help teams get creative in their selections
Moranis does bring up a good point tho. How would you determine the value of newer players that would count as HOFers?
If it stays at the amount of players we have currently, could both a HOF limit and a specific time span (1960-1989 for example) help? This could help reduce confusion about recent players like Ben Wallace, as they wouldn't be available.

Or just make the recent players who are eligible for the Hall but who miss out count a season half a player ;D

I'm really not sure.
I still don't like the idea of having a limit as there are real problems with that and frankly you can find yourself getting into trouble if you have a team full of alpha dogs.  That said, we could use the HOF probability rating at basketball reference if we wanted a dividing line.  It still can cause some issues if you have current players (like Giannis and Kawhi for example who aren't very high yet but seem pretty clearly on HOF trajectory), but is probably the fairest way to do it.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

Just do something like anyone over 0.5 counts as a HOFer (doesn't have to be 0.5, but most everyone eligible with a probability greater than that is in and it is closer to 50/50 below it as not).
If not a limit what else could work? A time period based limit on the player pool?
2019 CS Historical Draft Champions: Philadelphia 76ers
PG: Jason Kidd / Tiny Archibald / Fat Lever
SG: Paul Pierce / Sidney Moncrief
SF: Larry Bird / Mark Aguirre
PF: Karl Malone / Jerry Lucas / Andrei Kirilenko
C: Patrick Ewing / Bob Lanier

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2019, 08:26:25 AM »

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Bump.

A Hall of Fame limit would help teams get creative in their selections
Moranis does bring up a good point tho. How would you determine the value of newer players that would count as HOFers?
If it stays at the amount of players we have currently, could both a HOF limit and a specific time span (1960-1989 for example) help? This could help reduce confusion about recent players like Ben Wallace, as they wouldn't be available.

Or just make the recent players who are eligible for the Hall but who miss out count a season half a player ;D

I'm really not sure.
I still don't like the idea of having a limit as there are real problems with that and frankly you can find yourself getting into trouble if you have a team full of alpha dogs.  That said, we could use the HOF probability rating at basketball reference if we wanted a dividing line.  It still can cause some issues if you have current players (like Giannis and Kawhi for example who aren't very high yet but seem pretty clearly on HOF trajectory), but is probably the fairest way to do it.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

Just do something like anyone over 0.5 counts as a HOFer (doesn't have to be 0.5, but most everyone eligible with a probability greater than that is in and it is closer to 50/50 below it as not).
If not a limit what else could work? A time period based limit on the player pool?
why limit it at all? Who cares if you have 12 HOFers on your team.  That might not work from a team building standpoint, but that is your call to make and everyone has the exact same opportunity as you just snake the draft and since you have 12 spots that is an equal number of spots so the draft is perfectly equal.  If I want 12 HOFers on my team, then I should be able to do that.  It makes judging far more complicated, which is why I've been advocating for not the entire league history in play (which would artificially limit HOFers just because there aren't as many), but no matter how we do it, we shouldn't artificially restrict the number of HOFers on a team.
Historical Draft - Portland Trailblazers
PG - Magic Johnson, Tony Parker
SG - Clyde Drexler, Dennis Johnson, Alvin Robertson
SF - James Worthy, Alex English
PF - Charles Barkley, Ben Wallace
C - Moses Malone, George Mikan, Brad Daugherty

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #63 on: June 03, 2019, 06:17:32 AM »

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Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2019, 12:07:17 PM »

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Should we just roll with the 12 we have so far, or keep bumping the thread in the hope for a few more numbers?
2019 CS Historical Draft Champions: Philadelphia 76ers
PG: Jason Kidd / Tiny Archibald / Fat Lever
SG: Paul Pierce / Sidney Moncrief
SF: Larry Bird / Mark Aguirre
PF: Karl Malone / Jerry Lucas / Andrei Kirilenko
C: Patrick Ewing / Bob Lanier

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2019, 10:05:50 PM »

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Bump!
2019 CS Historical Draft Champions: Philadelphia 76ers
PG: Jason Kidd / Tiny Archibald / Fat Lever
SG: Paul Pierce / Sidney Moncrief
SF: Larry Bird / Mark Aguirre
PF: Karl Malone / Jerry Lucas / Andrei Kirilenko
C: Patrick Ewing / Bob Lanier

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2019, 08:36:47 AM »

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Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2019, 09:01:34 AM »

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I want to give this a try
2019 historical draft.  Pick 12

Tim Duncan, Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, Scottie Pippen, Willis Reed, Mitch Richmond, Sam Jones, Dan Majerle, Bob Cousy, Rasheed Wallace, Shawn Kemp, Marcus Camby

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2019, 09:16:38 AM »

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Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2019, 09:40:08 AM »

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If it starts next week, I would love to join.
I'm out next week, so you can have my spot, if it is later, then I'm good.
Historical Draft - Portland Trailblazers
PG - Magic Johnson, Tony Parker
SG - Clyde Drexler, Dennis Johnson, Alvin Robertson
SF - James Worthy, Alex English
PF - Charles Barkley, Ben Wallace
C - Moses Malone, George Mikan, Brad Daugherty

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #70 on: June 10, 2019, 09:41:19 AM »

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If it starts next week, I would love to join.

can you make the week after?

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #71 on: June 10, 2019, 09:43:42 AM »

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If it starts next week, I would love to join.

can you make the week after?


School ends this week, so I am available during the summer.

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2019, 09:47:47 AM »

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Any interest in giving folks a 2nd team if people want a larger draft?

I'd love to have a 2nd team in All-Time Draft. I guess others would enjoy having a 2nd team too.

That could make it a 20-25 team draft.

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #73 on: June 10, 2019, 09:50:07 AM »

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Any interest in giving folks a 2nd team if people want a larger draft?

I'd love to have a 2nd team in All-Time Draft. I guess others would enjoy having a 2nd team too.

That could make it a 20-25 team draft.
If we need to make more numbers for teams I would be happy to take on a 2nd team too.
2019 CS Historical Draft Champions: Philadelphia 76ers
PG: Jason Kidd / Tiny Archibald / Fat Lever
SG: Paul Pierce / Sidney Moncrief
SF: Larry Bird / Mark Aguirre
PF: Karl Malone / Jerry Lucas / Andrei Kirilenko
C: Patrick Ewing / Bob Lanier

Re: All Time Great Fantasy Draft
« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2019, 09:55:02 AM »

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2nd team is very weird for me in this type of draft. 
Historical Draft - Portland Trailblazers
PG - Magic Johnson, Tony Parker
SG - Clyde Drexler, Dennis Johnson, Alvin Robertson
SF - James Worthy, Alex English
PF - Charles Barkley, Ben Wallace
C - Moses Malone, George Mikan, Brad Daugherty

 

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