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Re: Trump to minority Congresswomen: Go back to your own countries
« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2019, 08:14:11 PM »

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I have been pushing for (hoping for) a credible republican to challenge him.  I think someone who is respected in his own party may be the only hope.   I think Nikki Haley could do it.   Please.
You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think a woman could win the main Republican ticket. Not their kind of thing.

Whatever your opinion of her, Republicans loved Sarah Palin. It was operatives from the Democratic party who exposed her first, then she lost Republican support. Republicans would definitely buy into a female candidate. They typically go nuts whenever they have a woman or minority candidate with any promise. They just don't have many. When they do, the Democrats hit hard because a strong female or minority candidate can eat into their base votes and platform.

Re: Trump to minority Congresswomen: Go back to your own countries
« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2019, 08:40:57 PM »

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If people want to discuss the semantics of racial discussion and if words being used are actually racial, start another thread. That is not what this thread is about. Stay on subject.

Re: Trump to minority Congresswomen: Go back to your own countries
« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2019, 08:47:53 PM »

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Is it ok to dislike their policies or is that racist too?

Pelosi was called a racist for opposing their viewpoints, so I think we know the answer.

The term is used too often, too quickly, at times unfairly.  I only use the term in reference to identified supremacists (e.g., Dukes).  I have never used it to label Trump -- even in the current discussion.   I do think prejudice and bias are prevalent and that some prejudice is influenced by physical characteristics, one of which is skin color. Racism to me is an abhorrent term, one that consciously connotes hatred, power abuse, and wishes of harm.  It is sadly overused. 

I do think that Trump spews prejudicial venom for the purpose of power gain.  It is reprehensible but I'm not so hung up on calling it racism.  I wish people wouldn't use the term so loosely but pointing out mistaken calls of racism also shouldn't mitigate the wrong done, if wrong is done.  Obviously it isn't racist to disagree politically with a person of color. But to disagree and then tell them they should go back to their own country isn't helpful discourse. And when it fuels prejudicial fires, it triggers dangerous dominoes. 

Re: Trump to minority Congresswomen: Go back to your own countries
« Reply #93 on: July 15, 2019, 11:59:17 PM »

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Whatever your opinion of her, Republicans loved Sarah Palin. It was operatives from the Democratic party who exposed her first, then she lost Republican support. Republicans would definitely buy into a female candidate. They typically go nuts whenever they have a woman or minority candidate with any promise


I think she was exposed the moment she started talking.   

Re: Trump to minority Congresswomen: Go back to your own countries
« Reply #94 on: July 16, 2019, 09:27:15 AM »

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Is it ok to dislike their policies or is that racist too?

Pelosi was called a racist for opposing their viewpoints, so I think we know the answer.

The term is used too often, too quickly, at times unfairly.  I only use the term in reference to identified supremacists (e.g., Dukes).  I have never used it to label Trump -- even in the current discussion.   I do think prejudice and bias are prevalent and that some prejudice is influenced by physical characteristics, one of which is skin color. Racism to me is an abhorrent term, one that consciously connotes hatred, power abuse, and wishes of harm.  It is sadly overused. 

I do think that Trump spews prejudicial venom for the purpose of power gain.  It is reprehensible but I'm not so hung up on calling it racism.  I wish people wouldn't use the term so loosely but pointing out mistaken calls of racism also shouldn't mitigate the wrong done, if wrong is done.  Obviously it isn't racist to disagree politically with a person of color. But to disagree and then tell them they should go back to their own country isn't helpful discourse. And when it fuels prejudicial fires, it triggers dangerous dominoes.

This is why I think it's incredibly important to acknowledge the limitations of our commonly used language around race. Not everyone is speaking about the same thing, even when using the same words.

We should better identify our meaning with words that are more commonly agreed upon. Where there is distinction, we should identify that distinction and assign words to it that communicate that best.

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« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2019, 09:28:29 AM »

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Whatever your opinion of her, Republicans loved Sarah Palin. It was operatives from the Democratic party who exposed her first, then she lost Republican support. Republicans would definitely buy into a female candidate. They typically go nuts whenever they have a woman or minority candidate with any promise


I think she was exposed the moment she started talking.   

Perhaps, but Republicans supported her for longer than anyone even after she started talking. At some point, it became too much even for them. But not because she was a woman.

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« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2019, 10:14:35 AM »

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This cracks me up: Historians suggest that Trump is the second most racist President in history.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-andrew-johnson-racist-090653641.html

Not the Presidents who owned slaves and who kept slavery legal. Not the Presidents who fought integration. Not the Presidents who practiced colonialism in Latin America and Africa.  Not those who brutalized Native Americans.  Trump.

Nobody has credibility anymore.


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« Reply #97 on: July 16, 2019, 10:23:43 AM »

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This cracks me up: Historians suggest that Trump is the second most racist President in history.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-andrew-johnson-racist-090653641.html

Not the Presidents who owned slaves and who kept slavery legal. Not the Presidents who fought integration. Not the Presidents who practiced colonialism in Latin America and Africa.  Not those who brutalized Native Americans.  Trump.

Nobody has credibility anymore.
Sounds about right.  Slavery was legal.  Integration was not commonplace.  Colonialism has been going on for 400 years.

Re: Trump to minority Congresswomen: Go back to your own countries
« Reply #98 on: July 16, 2019, 10:40:30 AM »

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This cracks me up: Historians suggest that Trump is the second most racist President in history.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-andrew-johnson-racist-090653641.html

Not the Presidents who owned slaves and who kept slavery legal. Not the Presidents who fought integration. Not the Presidents who practiced colonialism in Latin America and Africa.  Not those who brutalized Native Americans.  Trump.

Nobody has credibility anymore.
Sounds about right.  Slavery was legal.  Integration was not commonplace.  Colonialism has been going on for 400 years.

So? Trump’s comments are legal, too.

But okay. Trump’s jingoism is worse than owning slaves and describing blacks as subhuman, or committing genocide against Natives.

Lol.  Sorry, but that’s not a valid opinion.  It just shows how blinded by hatred otherwise rational people are.


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Re: Trump to minority Congresswomen: Go back to your own countries
« Reply #99 on: July 16, 2019, 10:47:00 AM »

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Getting caught up in ranking order as to who was more racist than whomever is a distraction.   It also is a scaffolding for whataboutism.

All that matters is whether this current president is a racist and whether his behavior is tolerable by our current society.
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Re: Trump to minority Congresswomen: Go back to your own countries
« Reply #100 on: July 16, 2019, 10:48:34 AM »

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Slavery was legal

Do you know that there are parts of Africa where it is still the norm?

Colonialism has existed since there were nations,

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Early records of colonisation go as far back as Phoenicians, an enterprising maritime trading culture that spread across the Mediterranean from 1550 BC to 300 BC and later the Greeks and Persians continued on this line of setting up colonies. The Romans would soon follow, setting up colonies throughout the Mediterranean, Northern Africa, and Western Asia. In the 9th century a new wave of Mediterranean colonisation had begun between competing states such as the Venetians, Genovese and Amalfians, invading the wealthy previously Byzantine or Eastern Roman islands and lands. Venice began with the conquest of Dalmatia and reached its greatest nominal extent at the conclusion of the Fourth Crusade in 1204, with the declaration of the acquisition of three octaves of the Byzantine Empire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism

Trump called one of these woman a communist.

This was read into the Congressional Record in 1963
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Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:


CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting ****ography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understan
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
d [or treat].
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court[/quote]

Any of these sound familiar?

Re: Trump to minority Congresswomen: Go back to your own countries
« Reply #101 on: July 16, 2019, 10:56:13 AM »

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