Can Kyrie Irving and Coach Brad Stevens co-exist?

[gouki88]

LOL

All you 'I want Kyrie gone, he's the problem' folks are about the dumbest basketball fans I have ever encountered. You should just go find a different team to root for.

Ok bball genius tell us why it's important or do or die for the success of the Celtics to sign Kyrie? What proof tells you he's got to stay?

I'll wait.....

Why should I bother, you clearly wouldn't understand anyways.

The fact you think Kyrie is the problem proves that.

Well it sounds like you think its everyone else BUT Kyrie. I have definitive proof things are more cohesive and harmonious when he's not playing or pouting...do you?

Give me a break you can see the body language of him. You can't tell the way guys start playing harder, cutting harder, passing, rebounding because they know he won't dribble the air out the ball until he gets jammed up and then pass.

Again, I'll wait for your reason why we're underacheiving.

I notice you conveniently leave out how poorly the rest of the team played yesterday (Tatum, Baynes, Rozier, etc.)

Again, that hadn't been the norm. Don't pick one game and make it seem like that's norm. The entire season has been up and down...oops except when #11 plays.

It is hilarious that you seem to put the blame solely at Kyrie’s feet.

Not Mook or Terry clearly playing for their next contract.
Not Tatum being incapable of playing good defence.
Not Brown’s inconsistent effort.
Not our injuries to Baynes and Horford.
Not the questionable decisions made by Coach Stevens.
Not the obvious impact of the AD trade rumours.
Not Hayward coming along slowly.

No, it’s all Kyrie’s fault.

I also adore how you ignore all the times we, as a team, have played excellently with Kyrie. It’s like you’re pretending we’re a sub .500 team. Give me a break. Stop letting your bias lead you to these weird conclusions.

This isn’t to say Kyrie has been perfect - far from it. But he’s not alone in that imperfection.

Again, for the 10th time. This is suppose to be his team...he wanted to be the leader. Why blame all the role players when they've played great when he has been out. Do you understand what that means. Take Freak off the Bucks are they winning? What did the Lakers do without Bron? Can the Raptors go into Philly and win without Kawhi? I'm not even going to get in being 5 mins away from the Finals.

I bet had they made the Finals some of you would still be saying yeah but we got swept as an excuse. Sure there are certain games when certain players don't play well..what team doesn't go through that. His sulking attitude and distancing shows on the court.

If this is your take then there’s literally no point arguing. Bye

[KGBirdBias]

LOL

All you 'I want Kyrie gone, he's the problem' folks are about the dumbest basketball fans I have ever encountered. You should just go find a different team to root for.

Ok bball genius tell us why it's important or do or die for the success of the Celtics to sign Kyrie? What proof tells you he's got to stay?

I'll wait.....

Why should I bother, you clearly wouldn't understand anyways.

The fact you think Kyrie is the problem proves that.

Well it sounds like you think its everyone else BUT Kyrie. I have definitive proof things are more cohesive and harmonious when he's not playing or pouting...do you?

Give me a break you can see the body language of him. You can't tell the way guys start playing harder, cutting harder, passing, rebounding because they know he won't dribble the air out the ball until he gets jammed up and then pass.

Again, I'll wait for your reason why we're underacheiving.

I notice you conveniently leave out how poorly the rest of the team played yesterday (Tatum, Baynes, Rozier, etc.)

Again, that hadn't been the norm. Don't pick one game and make it seem like that's norm. The entire season has been up and down...oops except when #11 plays.

It is hilarious that you seem to put the blame solely at Kyrie’s feet.

Not Mook or Terry clearly playing for their next contract.
Not Tatum being incapable of playing good defence.
Not Brown’s inconsistent effort.
Not our injuries to Baynes and Horford.
Not the questionable decisions made by Coach Stevens.
Not the obvious impact of the AD trade rumours.
Not Hayward coming along slowly.

No, it’s all Kyrie’s fault.

I also adore how you ignore all the times we, as a team, have played excellently with Kyrie. It’s like you’re pretending we’re a sub .500 team. Give me a break. Stop letting your bias lead you to these weird conclusions.

This isn’t to say Kyrie has been perfect - far from it. But he’s not alone in that imperfection.

Again, for the 10th time. This is suppose to be his team...he wanted to be the leader. Why blame all the role players when they've played great when he has been out. Do you understand what that means. Take Freak off the Bucks are they winning? What did the Lakers do without Bron? Can the Raptors go into Philly and win without Kawhi? I'm not even going to get in being 5 mins away from the Finals.

I bet had they made the Finals some of you would still be saying yeah but we got swept as an excuse. Sure there are certain games when certain players don't play well..what team doesn't go through that. His sulking attitude and distancing shows on the court.

If this is your take then there’s literally no point arguing. Bye

Because you know it's right. Bring facts or stop talking. No one ever wants to blame the star, its everyone else fault...they are all responsible but Kyrie is the "leader"...so lead.

[Monkhouse]

Kyrie isn't a good leader, but he isn't a bad one.. Just inexperienced.

Also, for people arguing that we are better off without Kyrie, and using the stats that back up the support due to our players doing better when he isn't on the floor; need to really re-evaluate how they watch the game through eye test..

Kyrie breaks down defenses so well at times, it amazes me that some players are just okay with standing in the corner or 3 point line without cutting..

No grit or hustle on both ends of the floor from half our team...

[apc]

If players make 40/0% of their open 3s, not all, but most problems are solved, and we don't talk about co-exiting, leadership or who should be starting.

[KGBirdBias]

Kyrie isn't a good leader, but he isn't a bad one.. Just inexperienced.

Also, for people arguing that we are better off without Kyrie, and using the stats that back up the support due to our players doing better when he isn't on the floor; need to really re-evaluate how they watch the game through eye test..

Kyrie breaks down defenses so well at times, it amazes me that some players are just okay with standing in the corner or 3 point line without cutting..

No grit or hustle on both ends of the floor from half our team...

What does a bad leader look like then? LOL Kyrie has never played with this much talent so maybe adjusting his game.

Sure he's a great one on one player, but I see much more he could do. Support your teammates, uplift your teammates, be a prideful defender and trust your teammates.

Stop looking at a stat line and determine who's good. I can be good if I'm allowed to go 9-27, 8-24.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Kyrie isn't a good leader, but he isn't a bad one.. Just inexperienced.

Also, for people arguing that we are better off without Kyrie, and using the stats that back up the support due to our players doing better when he isn't on the floor; need to really re-evaluate how they watch the game through eye test..

Kyrie breaks down defenses so well at times, it amazes me that some players are just okay with standing in the corner or 3 point line without cutting..

No grit or hustle on both ends of the floor from half our team...

What does a bad leader look like then? LOL Kyrie has never played with this much talent so maybe adjusting his game.

Sure he's a great one on one player, but I see much more he could do. Support your teammates, uplift your teammates, be a prideful defender and trust your teammates.

Stop looking at a stat line and determine who's good. I can be good if I'm allowed to go 9-27, 8-24.

Don't be dishonest in your argumentation. Kyrie's efficiency is among the best in the NBA. The last 5 games, he has 52/50/93 shooting splits. His efficiency isn't the problem. He is not a chucker. I doubt very much that many players in the NBA can do what he does in as few of shots as he shoots.

I don't see many of the Celtics trusting one another, or being a proud defender, or supporting their teammates. Kyrie's just unfortunately become the scapegoat for all the Celtic problems.

Truly he shares some of the blame, and probably a greater amount because he is the best player on the team, but these issues are deeper than one player.

[KGBirdBias]

Who doesn't acknowledge that? What I'm telling you is ever since NBA has been being played the stars take the fall for the teams failures and the praise when they win. So that is how it's always been. Let's not try and change it now because we want to keep Kyrie.

[KGBirdBias]

Let's just call it what it is. He learned how to lead from Bron and that's probably not the best way for everyone.

AD thinks he can do what Bron does. Kyrie thinks he can lead like Bron.

These guys have to understand Bron is a drama queen and if you follow his pattern, you will bring your drama into the situation.