The real problem with the Celtics

[Chris22]

We are too small.

When was the last time a team who's best player was under 6 5 won a championship. Look at how Toronto was transformed by Khawi. Anige needs to do whatever he can to get one of the handful of bigger players that could lead us to a championship.

The Celtics are 6th in the league in limiting points in the paint. They are 8th in the league at limiting 2nd Chance points. They are 7th in the league in defensive rebounding %.

Height is not the problem on defense. The C's are very good at defending inside. And height on offense wouldn't make a difference. We don't go after offensive rebounds as a defensive strategy. Now a player with great post offense would help, but that doesn't necessarily mean that player has to be tall. Zach Randolph, Paul Milsap, Julius Randle are prime examples.

Sorry, we suck defending the paint against bigs when Baynes is not in the game.

Except the stats say you are wrong.

No, they don't.

Oh....then show my theses stats. Mine above are straight from nba.com

We keep losing with Baynes not starting. The only stat that counts.

[Moranis]

Smart starts and 14 minutes into the game he is +17.  Imagine that

[mctyson]

We are too small.

When was the last time a team who's best player was under 6 5 won a championship. Look at how Toronto was transformed by Khawi. Anige needs to do whatever he can to get one of the handful of bigger players that could lead us to a championship.

The Celtics are 6th in the league in limiting points in the paint. They are 8th in the league at limiting 2nd Chance points. They are 7th in the league in defensive rebounding %.

Height is not the problem on defense. The C's are very good at defending inside. And height on offense wouldn't make a difference. We don't go after offensive rebounds as a defensive strategy. Now a player with great post offense would help, but that doesn't necessarily mean that player has to be tall. Zach Randolph, Paul Milsap, Julius Randle are prime examples.

Sorry, we suck defending the paint against bigs when Baynes is not in the game.

Except the stats say you are wrong.

And all the stats say you are wrong about Jaylen Brown.

[nickagneta]

We are too small.

When was the last time a team who's best player was under 6 5 won a championship. Look at how Toronto was transformed by Khawi. Anige needs to do whatever he can to get one of the handful of bigger players that could lead us to a championship.

The Celtics are 6th in the league in limiting points in the paint. They are 8th in the league at limiting 2nd Chance points. They are 7th in the league in defensive rebounding %.

Height is not the problem on defense. The C's are very good at defending inside. And height on offense wouldn't make a difference. We don't go after offensive rebounds as a defensive strategy. Now a player with great post offense would help, but that doesn't necessarily mean that player has to be tall. Zach Randolph, Paul Milsap, Julius Randle are prime examples.

Sorry, we suck defending the paint against bigs when Baynes is not in the game.

Except the stats say you are wrong.

And all the stats say you are wrong about Jaylen Brown.

I am sorry, where in this conversation did I discuss Jaylen Brown? How about you stay on subject! This thread is about height being a problem.

[nickagneta]

We are too small.

When was the last time a team who's best player was under 6 5 won a championship. Look at how Toronto was transformed by Khawi. Anige needs to do whatever he can to get one of the handful of bigger players that could lead us to a championship.

The Celtics are 6th in the league in limiting points in the paint. They are 8th in the league at limiting 2nd Chance points. They are 7th in the league in defensive rebounding %.

Height is not the problem on defense. The C's are very good at defending inside. And height on offense wouldn't make a difference. We don't go after offensive rebounds as a defensive strategy. Now a player with great post offense would help, but that doesn't necessarily mean that player has to be tall. Zach Randolph, Paul Milsap, Julius Randle are prime examples.

Sorry, we suck defending the paint against bigs when Baynes is not in the game.

Except the stats say you are wrong.

No, they don't.

Oh....then show my theses stats. Mine above are straight from nba.com

We keep losing with Baynes not starting. The only stat that counts.

We are 2-2 with Baynes starting and 8-8 with him not starting. So once again, you are wrong and are saying absolutely nothing that resembles reality

[tenn_smoothie]

PhoSita did an excellent job of reviewing the stats through the first 20 games, highlighted several problem areas (shooting, lack of FTAs, and dud games), and concluded that having several young players shouldering a lot of responsibility is difficult.  He also used the word linear somewhere in there.

It's also been pointed out that they tend to get up for difficult but not weaker teams, which is a sign of hangover.  I'd speculate that a team this talented and coming off a great playoff run, with now so many guys failing to perform, is characteristic of a significant locker room issue.  Not sure where that may be coming from though, since nearly all of these guys are first-class w/out a history of those issues.

Rozier is a proud gang member. That is not good character in my book.

Irving has been self-centered his entire career. He tries to say the right things publicly, but the stunts he pulled in Cleveland in practice, in games, in the locker room as well as threatening surgery to motivate a trade give away the truth. Things slip out of his mouth in Boston, as well, though he is careful to apologize. The guy's basic nature is that of a selfish flake.

Did any of our previous championship groups have any of these types ? Rondo eventually grew into a head case, which was part of the demise of that team.

[dmopower]

Last year, the team moved the ball better.

Kyrie and Tatum are both stopping the ball more. Kyrie played more like Isaiah last year, but this year, he's holding the ball himself and doing less off the ball cutting.  Tatum is much more likely to go into iso mode than last year.

Adding Hayward to the mix is adding another creator who does not quickly keep the ball moving. Horford is getting less touches, and the lack of movement does not generate opportunities that work for Brown.

Brown and Tatum benefit greatly from pushing the ball and getting transition opportunities. When we do get into the half court, we need to move the ball and do a better job of feeding cutters. Kyrie is the only really efficient iso player. Everyone else would benefit from more pace and movement. We have the depth to pull it off.

 Agreed.  We are standing a LOT. Tatum and Jalen lead the way here. They are young and are getting comfortable with what they can do but are struggling to impliment things.  It's a young guy thing. I also think Jalen should come off the bench to make it easier for him to be agressive within the team concept. Starting smart works great because we dont need another scorer and he does the little things.  The main thing he does is he motivates the others on defense, hustle and this is invaluable. Stevens is watching more than coaching right now. Who do we need to add or keep and who plays where best and with whom.  You'l lknow when he coaching again because you will again hear him talk in timeouts about moving and the ball sticking. My 2 cents.