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Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2017, 11:30:54 AM »

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i dont think this year was a great year to have the #1 pick - Fulz may turn out to be great, but i dont think hes in the class of the most obvious #1 picks heading into the draft- like Shaq / Duncan / LeBron.  Those few absolute no brainers are the best times to have the first pick IMO. too bad this year wasnt one of those.
  we're just left w trusting danny. hes got us this far, i'm a believer :)

Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2017, 11:34:34 AM »

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Danny just wants picks. He doesn't pick with them or use them. Just trades for more picks
really? how about brown, did ainge hatch him from an egg or draft him? smart? rozier? yabusele? zizic? and on and on. nope, no hatching, just drafting.  ;D

Brown had a meh rookie season, there's still hope for him.

Rozier, stopped a trade with the Magic... because idk he can rebound for a guard?(stupid skill btw)

Smart, billed as a defensive stopper who got scored on with ease in the playoffs... yay!! more of this please!!

All the other guys have as much questions marks as Markelle Fultz, probably more

What does any of that have to do with what hwangjini said? celticinorlando said that Danny never uses his picks, and hwangjini pointed out that, actually, he's used tons of picks in the past few years (2 firsts in 2014, 2 again in 2015, and then 3 last year)

Whether or not you think they're good players isn't relevant in the least
I'm bitter.

Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2017, 12:47:13 PM »

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Danny just wants picks. He doesn't pick with them or use them. Just trades for more picks


Hahaha!  Seriously!  The truth is, he doesn't/hasn't drafted well.  I really don't think he is that great of a talent evaluator.  Great trader, yes.  Great deal maker, yes.
actually, around the nba and through discussions here, the consensus is that ainge is a good drafter of talent.

oh, if you wish to debate that, you cant use 20/20 hindsight ("ainge missed player X and Y!") without doing the identical process on other GM draft histories as well.

Can't use 20/20 hindsight?  Then how do you determine whether it was a good draft pick or not.  Of course other GM's passed over the same players Danny passed over.  But what does that mean, he's as bad a drafter as them?  There will always be players teams/GMs miss. 

Just off the top of my head....San Antonio, OKC, GSW, Chicago, Milwaukee, are all better talent evaluators and drafters.  Ainge is ok in that department.  He excels at making deals.

No, he said "you cant use 20/20 hindsight [...] without doing the identical process on other GM draft histories as well".  Go through the histories for the Spurs, Thunder, Warriors, Bulls, and Bucks.  You'll find that their draft histories aren't actually perfect, just as Ainge's isn't.  But if you just want to compare their draft hits to all of our picks, then using "20/20 hindsight" is useless.

Not to mention that "he's not as good as these 5" and "he doesn't draft well" are light years apart

Doesnt matter if they're light years apart.

I'm saying...

1.  He's not as good as those 5 and...
2.  He doesnt draft well

Let me refresh your memory

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Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2017, 12:57:08 PM »

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Danny wants to one-up Belichick and accomplish what the Pats could never do. Keep trading for future picks until one year they have all 30 first-rounders.

Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2017, 01:04:53 PM »

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Danny wants to one-up Belichick and accomplish what the Pats could never do. Keep trading for future picks until one year they have all 30 first-rounders.
very cute. this is something the onion would put out. :)

tp to you sir.

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Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2017, 01:08:22 PM »

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Danny just wants picks. He doesn't pick with them or use them. Just trades for more picks


Hahaha!  Seriously!  The truth is, he doesn't/hasn't drafted well.  I really don't think he is that great of a talent evaluator.  Great trader, yes.  Great deal maker, yes.
actually, around the nba and through discussions here, the consensus is that ainge is a good drafter of talent.

oh, if you wish to debate that, you cant use 20/20 hindsight ("ainge missed player X and Y!") without doing the identical process on other GM draft histories as well.
Ainge is about average.  I've gone through his draft history on here numerous times and he has as many misses as he does hits, and he is actually trending in the wrong direction (a lot more misses a lot more frequently).  This was pre-last year which is too early to judge.

He is an excellent trader though, which can't be lost in any analysis of Danny as a GM overall. 
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Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2017, 01:29:29 PM »

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Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2017, 01:35:55 PM »

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Danny just wants picks. He doesn't pick with them or use them. Just trades for more picks
really? how about brown, did ainge hatch him from an egg or draft him? smart? rozier? yabusele? zizic? and on and on. nope, no hatching, just drafting.  ;D

ROFL
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Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2017, 01:45:45 PM »

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There is a reason DA is the 4th best rated GM!
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Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2017, 01:50:53 PM »

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Danny just wants picks. He doesn't pick with them or use them. Just trades for more picks


Hahaha!  Seriously!  The truth is, he doesn't/hasn't drafted well.  I really don't think he is that great of a talent evaluator.  Great trader, yes.  Great deal maker, yes.
actually, around the nba and through discussions here, the consensus is that ainge is a good drafter of talent.

oh, if you wish to debate that, you cant use 20/20 hindsight ("ainge missed player X and Y!") without doing the identical process on other GM draft histories as well.
Ainge is about average.  I've gone through his draft history on here numerous times and he has as many misses as he does hits, and he is actually trending in the wrong direction (a lot more misses a lot more frequently).  This was pre-last year which is too early to judge.

He is an excellent trader though, which can't be lost in any analysis of Danny as a GM overall.

No doubt.  I'd say he is arguably the best in making deals.  But avg at talent evaluation and drafting.

Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2017, 01:50:58 PM »

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DA knows he can't get fired if his team always has a stockpile of picks


Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2017, 01:51:05 PM »

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Danny just wants picks. He doesn't pick with them or use them. Just trades for more picks


Hahaha!  Seriously!  The truth is, he doesn't/hasn't drafted well.  I really don't think he is that great of a talent evaluator.  Great trader, yes.  Great deal maker, yes.
actually, around the nba and through discussions here, the consensus is that ainge is a good drafter of talent.

oh, if you wish to debate that, you cant use 20/20 hindsight ("ainge missed player X and Y!") without doing the identical process on other GM draft histories as well.
Ainge is about average.  I've gone through his draft history on here numerous times and he has as many misses as he does hits, and he is actually trending in the wrong direction (a lot more misses a lot more frequently).  This was pre-last year which is too early to judge.

He is an excellent trader though, which can't be lost in any analysis of Danny as a GM overall.

It's difficult to say he misses more than he hits without factoring in the reality that over his decade of GMing he's only had like 3 or 4 lottery picks. Yet still we were able to find valuable pieces all over the draft that have proven to be valuable pieces on championship teams and some still on the team today. To be honest finding Bradley at 19, KO at 16, Zizic at 23, Rozier at 16, inclusion of Crowder, ET and IT in trades... all points to a top-notch talent evaluator.

Re: Serious question about Danny's thought process...
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2017, 02:50:18 PM »

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Danny just wants picks. He doesn't pick with them or use them. Just trades for more picks
really? how about brown, did ainge hatch him from an egg or draft him? smart? rozier? yabusele? zizic? and on and on. nope, no hatching, just drafting.  ;D

Brown had a meh rookie season, there's still hope for him.

Rozier, stopped a trade with the Magic... because idk he can rebound for a guard?(stupid skill btw)

Smart, billed as a defensive stopper who got scored on with ease in the playoffs... yay!! more of this please!!

All the other guys have as much questions marks as Markelle Fultz, probably more

What does any of that have to do with what hwangjini said? celticinorlando said that Danny never uses his picks, and hwangjini pointed out that, actually, he's used tons of picks in the past few years (2 firsts in 2014, 2 again in 2015, and then 3 last year)

Whether or not you think they're good players isn't relevant in the least

I'm obviously just PO'd at the amount of  Damage control this man is afforded on any given subject and most deliver it in a patronizing matter. I apologize for going off rails, but he obvi uses picks but if I am to believe that the #1 pick was traded for #3 and a top 2-5 pick so that he can use them... well he better learn to evaluate guys and not keep hitting singles