The 2017 Brooklyn pick alone is an overpay for Jimmy Butler

[slamtheking]

Great post OP, not because I agree with you (which I do), but b/c of the numerous examples and backup info you gave.  While my gut told me that the Brooklyn Pick & Jaylen was a big overpay, I had forgotten how little most teams gave up in the other trades you mentioned.

There are so many factors that go into trading for someone like Jimmy Butler:
-What is the window to win in the NBA?  That is, is there any hope for any team other than Golden State or Cleveland over the next 2-years?  Doubtful.
-Therefore, what is the ideal Celtics team in 2-years?  It's possible that Jaylen projects out to be almost as good as Butler is then.
-How does Butler's salary over the next 4-years affect the Celtics?
-What other teams would love to trade for that Brooklyn pick, and what are they offering?

In the NBA the goal seems to me to consolidate assets into fewer but better assets (i.e. the Garnett trade is an extreme example).  The Brooklyn pick needs to be treated as an star-level asset, in part b/c of the talent you get with it, and the projected low salary implications.  Therefore, I don't see why you'd trade that for Butler.  However, I'd be all for consolidating other assets (Memphis #1, Marcus Smart or Avery Bradley, another draft pick, etc.) for Butler.

Are there odds in Vegas on the bold?

If there are, I want to dump a bundle on the "will. never. happen."

. I wish I had more arms so I could give that post 4 thumbs down. With enough work jaylen can be as good as Butler OR he'll never get there idk. But I don't understand why your not even giving him a chance?

CoachBo hasn't give Brown one shred of chance since the draft. He just craps on him with out any legit reasoning why he can't be good. If you look at Butlers numbers his rookies season, and remember he was 2 years older, Brown is better this stage of his career. It doesn't mean he will be better, but there is a shot.

I mean AB looked like garbage is first couple years, couldn't even dribble in a straight line. Every time he came in it was like "here comes two turnovers". But now he's playing like a borderline all star.

this is because he continually went off that Dunn was the only smart choice at that spot and that every option for that pick (outside of a trade) was dumb/foolish/moronic.  He can't afford to have the player Danny actually picked outperform the one he proposed or people will catch on to the fact he's not as smart as he portrays himself to be.

[Ilikesports17]

Great post OP, not because I agree with you (which I do), but b/c of the numerous examples and backup info you gave.  While my gut told me that the Brooklyn Pick & Jaylen was a big overpay, I had forgotten how little most teams gave up in the other trades you mentioned.

There are so many factors that go into trading for someone like Jimmy Butler:
-What is the window to win in the NBA?  That is, is there any hope for any team other than Golden State or Cleveland over the next 2-years?  Doubtful.
-Therefore, what is the ideal Celtics team in 2-years?  It's possible that Jaylen projects out to be almost as good as Butler is then.
-How does Butler's salary over the next 4-years affect the Celtics?
-What other teams would love to trade for that Brooklyn pick, and what are they offering?

In the NBA the goal seems to me to consolidate assets into fewer but better assets (i.e. the Garnett trade is an extreme example).  The Brooklyn pick needs to be treated as an star-level asset, in part b/c of the talent you get with it, and the projected low salary implications.  Therefore, I don't see why you'd trade that for Butler.  However, I'd be all for consolidating other assets (Memphis #1, Marcus Smart or Avery Bradley, another draft pick, etc.) for Butler.

Are there odds in Vegas on the bold?

If there are, I want to dump a bundle on the "will. never. happen."

. I wish I had more arms so I could give that post 4 thumbs down. With enough work jaylen can be as good as Butler OR he'll never get there idk. But I don't understand why your not even giving him a chance?

CoachBo hasn't give Brown one shred of chance since the draft. He just craps on him with out any legit reasoning why he can't be good. If you look at Butlers numbers his rookies season, and remember he was 2 years older, Brown is better this stage of his career. It doesn't mean he will be better, but there is a shot.

I mean AB looked like garbage is first couple years, couldn't even dribble in a straight line. Every time he came in it was like "here comes two turnovers". But now he's playing like a borderline all star.

this is because he continually went off that Dunn was the only smart choice at that spot and that every option for that pick (outside of a trade) was dumb/foolish/moronic.  He can't afford to have the player Danny actually picked outperform the one he proposed or people will catch on to the fact he's not as smart as he portrays himself to be.

He also implied that Dunn could be counted on to perform right away

22 year old Dunn is putting up 4/3/2 in 17 mpg on the 19-31 Timberwolves.
20 year old Brown is putting up 6/1/2 in 15 mpg on the 32-18 Boston Celtics

[flybono]

Your Nuts

[CoachBo]

Great post OP, not because I agree with you (which I do), but b/c of the numerous examples and backup info you gave.  While my gut told me that the Brooklyn Pick & Jaylen was a big overpay, I had forgotten how little most teams gave up in the other trades you mentioned.

There are so many factors that go into trading for someone like Jimmy Butler:
-What is the window to win in the NBA?  That is, is there any hope for any team other than Golden State or Cleveland over the next 2-years?  Doubtful.
-Therefore, what is the ideal Celtics team in 2-years?  It's possible that Jaylen projects out to be almost as good as Butler is then.
-How does Butler's salary over the next 4-years affect the Celtics?
-What other teams would love to trade for that Brooklyn pick, and what are they offering?

In the NBA the goal seems to me to consolidate assets into fewer but better assets (i.e. the Garnett trade is an extreme example).  The Brooklyn pick needs to be treated as an star-level asset, in part b/c of the talent you get with it, and the projected low salary implications.  Therefore, I don't see why you'd trade that for Butler.  However, I'd be all for consolidating other assets (Memphis #1, Marcus Smart or Avery Bradley, another draft pick, etc.) for Butler.

Are there odds in Vegas on the bold?

If there are, I want to dump a bundle on the "will. never. happen."

. I wish I had more arms so I could give that post 4 thumbs down. With enough work jaylen can be as good as Butler OR he'll never get there idk. But I don't understand why your not even giving him a chance?

CoachBo hasn't give Brown one shred of chance since the draft. He just craps on him with out any legit reasoning why he can't be good. If you look at Butlers numbers his rookies season, and remember he was 2 years older, Brown is better this stage of his career. It doesn't mean he will be better, but there is a shot.

I mean AB looked like garbage is first couple years, couldn't even dribble in a straight line. Every time he came in it was like "here comes two turnovers". But now he's playing like a borderline all star.

this is because he continually went off that Dunn was the only smart choice at that spot and that every option for that pick (outside of a trade) was dumb/foolish/moronic.  He can't afford to have the player Danny actually picked outperform the one he proposed or people will catch on to the fact he's not as smart as he portrays himself to be.

You left out the part about trading Dunn but I have come to expect intellectual dishonesty from those of you who insist on wild hyperbole about Brown. In the meantime, all the nonsense on this board is nothing if not hilarious. Brown is growing, but he is a millennium away from being anything close to a star. Keep dreaming.