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Why are the Celtics passing so poorly?
« on: December 28, 2016, 05:47:10 PM »

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The Celtics have been making some incredible passes all season long. They consistently find open players underneath the hoop and/or work the ball around finding the optimal shot. I bet their assist totals have been great.

Then, there are those lazy passes to nowhere and/or nobody. Or, there are those impossible passes between defenders that are easily picked off. Some of these passes are ones that would be expected of middle school students, not professionals playing in the NBA.

Anyone have a clue why there have been so many errant passes in the past couple games. Are the players not focused? Are they tired and need more sleep? I won't mention any names as a few players are guilty of these free giveaways.

Perhaps, Brad should have the team watch how the Spurs dismantled the Heat a couple years ago in the Finals. It was the greatest display of passing I have every seen. Or, have the team just watch the current Spurs team and observe how they protect the ball and pass with purpose. Any other suggestions or comments?

Re: Why are the Celtics passing so poorly?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2016, 05:49:07 PM »

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Re: Why are the Celtics passing so poorly?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2016, 05:55:06 PM »

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It doesn't excuse lazy or careless passes, but at times in a read-based, pass-heavy system like the Cs are running, you are going to have some turnovers that look really bad because two players don't read the defense the same way at the same time.  I would bet Brad will live with some of our current turnovers to keep the ball moving quickly from side to side.  That being said, you still want to cut down on the careless turnovers as much as possible.

Re: Why are the Celtics passing so poorly?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2016, 05:57:11 PM »

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Over the past 7 games (since Isaiah Thomas's return) the celtics are averaging 11.1 turnovers a game.

over the past 4 games they average 11.3.

League low in turnovers per game is 11.9 The spurs average more than 13 a game

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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2016, 06:02:05 PM »

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Celtics are 3rd in the league in total assists and have the 4th lowest turnover percentage in the league. They are one of the elite passing teams in the league after Golden State. Dont understand the criticism here.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2016, 06:32:31 PM by nickagneta »

Re: Why are the Celtics passing so poorly?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2016, 06:06:24 PM »

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That Spurs team from 2014 averaged 25.2 assists and 14.4 turnovers a game. Your current Boston Celtics put up 24.8 and 12.4

At the end of games they seem to fall a bit into hero ball which results in some turnovers (Isaiah). But for the most part this team is excellent at passing.

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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2016, 06:29:41 PM »

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Celtics are 3rd in the league in total assists and have the 4th lowest turnover percentage in the league. They are one of the elute passing teams in the league after Golden State. Dont understand the criticism here.
perhaps it is a quick reaction by the OP to the memphis game, when the celtics did pass poorly and memphis had a herd of steals. in any case, as you point out, the celtics are very good at both passing and not turning the ball over.

whew, another worry extinguished.  ;D
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2016, 06:36:46 PM »

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Celtics are 3rd in the league in total assists and have the 4th lowest turnover percentage in the league. They are one of the elite passing teams in the league after Golden State. Dont understand the criticism here.

Already beat me to it...

My friend was watching the Knicks game, and he literally was screaming at the screen, "PASS THE BALL, PASS THE !@#$%^ BALL! THE FREAKING GOD !@#$%* CELTICS CAN DO IT, WHY CAN'T WE?!?!??!"
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Re: Why are the Celtics passing so poorly?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2016, 07:05:37 PM »

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Celtics are 3rd in the league in total assists and have the 4th lowest turnover percentage in the league. They are one of the elite passing teams in the league after Golden State. Dont understand the criticism here.

Already beat me to it...

My friend was watching the Knicks game, and he literally was screaming at the screen, "PASS THE BALL, PASS THE !@#$%^ BALL! THE FREAKING GOD !@#$%* CELTICS CAN DO IT, WHY CAN'T WE?!?!??!"
now this is funny.  ;D a tp for making me smile.
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2016, 07:56:11 PM »

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Celtics are 3rd in the league in total assists and have the 4th lowest turnover percentage in the league. They are one of the elite passing teams in the league after Golden State. Dont understand the criticism here.

Not trying to be critical. Just doesn't make sense how they can make these incredible passes for most of the game. Then, it's like the lights go out and they just squander the ball in a meaningless fashion. How does that happen?

There often isn't any pressure to make these types of passes. They just happen. Whether they have the lowest turnover percentage or not doesn't explain the rational for making them. 

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2016, 08:11:13 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2016, 08:23:48 PM »

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Re: Why are the Celtics passing so poorly?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2016, 08:02:16 PM »

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I read the CB feedback from my original post and thought maybe I was off in my analysis. So, I watched the Memphis game again and found that I totally mischaracterized many of these passes.  For example, one statement read, "Then, there are those lazy passes to nowhere and/or nobody."

When I viewed the game again I found that statement was almost completely erroneous. None of the passes were to nowhere or nobody.  Some might be considered lazy, but they all definitely had an intended target. (Perhaps I saw one of two in a previous game(s) and clouded my memory).

I took notes as I watched the game a second time and made comments on most of the stolen passes. Thought I would share them. (feel free to comment)

Early in the game:
Al Horford to Jae Crowder to the side of the key…the pass is too high and deflects off Crowder’s finger tips. (Crowder might have been pushed from behind.)

Handoff pass from Horford to Isaiah near the basket. Plucked out of their hands without any resistance. (who would think a handoff could be intercepted?)

Near the top of the 3 point line Horford sees Bradley 10 feet away. Another player (Allen) is 3.5 feet away from Bradley. Horford pivots and throws the ball to Bradley’s right hand...the one closest to the Allen. The result is a steal and breakaway. (wouldn't one know to throw to the outer hand and be weary of Allen? FWIW: Isaiah is good at throwing to the outer hand...the one furthest from the defender)

The events above took place in the first 4 minutes and 13 seconds from the start of the game.

Crowder passes to Bradley near the top of the key. One player is 2 feet in front of Crowder - defects the ball and steals it. (this happened to a couple players during the course of the game.)

Amir is off-balanced going out of bounds. He makes desperate pass to save possession. Ends up in defender’s hands. (Do teams practice inbound passing drills while going out of bounds? Seems it happens at least once or twice a game.)

Isaiah makes bounce pass in heavy traffic. Bounces back to him…no loss of possession.

Isaiah goes into paint, as he tosses it out to teammate…someone gets a hand on and it and makes the steal. (Isaiah is fairly successful in the paint, but sometimes he gets the ball deflected away.)

2nd half
Lazy lob pass from Jae to Al. Jae is too far from hoop. The pass takes an eternity to land. Easily intercepted. (we've talked about the poor alleyoop passing in other posts)

Horford caught down near the basket. Tries to make jump pass. Ball blocked and stolen.

Another long distance alleyoop attempt. This time from Marcus to Green. It’s too low and Green is covered. (two alleyoop passes = two steals)

Straight pass from Isaiah to Zeller. Isaiah is at the top right of 3 point line and passes diagonally to Zeller beneath the basket. Easily intercepted by player in the lane. This was a long pass considering there was a player in the lane. If Isaiah were at the foul line, this would have been the perfect pass.)

Green near the 3 point line guarded closely by one player and another is positioned about 2 feet away. Almost trapped. His pass to Al Horford (who is 15-20 feet away) is tipped and stolen by the second player.
(You can't prevent 100% of passes from being stolen. Although, there were too many similar type of steals in the game.) 

Marcus in the lane makes bounce pass to Horford near the basket. Intercepted by Ennis
(Can't complain about this. This is bound to happen from time to time.)

Even though the title of the original post is, "Why are the Celtics passing so poorly?", I came away with a different opinion about the Celtics passing game afterward. They are actually quite good at it. If I had just taken notes on the good passes I am sure this response would have been much longer.

Another thing I learned is that by writing notes while watching the game I became much more aware of what is going on.  Not sure I'd make it a regular practice. But, for those more inclined I suggest trying it out.