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Re: Updated DX Mock Draft (05/31/16) - Celtics Picks
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2016, 11:47:42 PM »

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Danny takes brown over chriss imo

But chriss upside is really high

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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2016, 11:57:52 PM »

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I don't like Chriss at 3. There are questions about his focus and commitment to the game.



Not saying he is a safe pick, or the comparison is 1:1, but they said the same things you're saying about this guy.  IMO it's one of the most pointless things you can say pre draft.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/9/4755972/andre-drummond-detroit-pistons-preview-2013
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2016, 12:07:48 AM »

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I don't like Chriss at 3. There are questions about his focus and commitment to the game.



Not saying he is a safe pick, or the comparison is 1:1, but they said the same things you're saying about this guy.  IMO it's one of the most pointless things you can say pre draft.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/9/4755972/andre-drummond-detroit-pistons-preview-2013

Or you could say the same about Fab Melo.  Just because one player had those issues and over came them doesn't mean they all do.  Worthless comparison.

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2016, 12:09:24 AM »

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I don't like Chriss at 3. There are questions about his focus and commitment to the game.



Not saying he is a safe pick, or the comparison is 1:1, but they said the same things you're saying about this guy.  IMO it's one of the most pointless things you can say pre draft.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/9/4755972/andre-drummond-detroit-pistons-preview-2013

Or you could say the same about Fab Melo.  Just because one player had those issues and over came them doesn't mean they all do.  Worthless comparison.

Or you don't even get what I'm saying.  I'm saying it's not even a worthwhile thing to bring up.  You don't fall out of bed and become a top prospect without caring about basketball and just because you are an athlete that makes the game look easy doesn't mean you aren't trying.

Also please remind me where Fab Melo went?  He went 22nd.  Talk about a worthless comparison.  Not even remotely similar players.  One guys best case is Amare and the others best case was Brendan Haywood.  The comparison is worthwhile because he is probably the best physical big man since Drummond.  Bringing up Fab Melo has to be a joke.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2016, 12:10:11 AM »

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His weaknesses scare me. Not worthy of a #3 pick, IMO.

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2016, 04:29:06 AM »

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I'm confused as to why he has jumped up this week. If it's because of inside info on the C's then I'd be surprised considering the focus on Bender and Brown this week. If it is in general then it is one heck of a jump but I guess it further increases the pool of players for that #3 spot. All it will take is one team to fall in love with a player and our pick becomes very valuable

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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2016, 04:41:24 AM »

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I'm liking the kids rising stock. I don't see Danny picking him at #3. I do see Danny trading with the Suns at #4 and selecting Jaylen Brown at 4 then working a trade back up into the top 10 for Marquese Kriss or Prince at #16. These are the type of players Danny needs to hit on. SF-PF Paul Pierce type guys who are so very valuable. I can see Jaylen Brown being our #1 target even over Dragan Bender. I'd much rather draft Brown at #3 make the right choice Danny we can't afford to miss on this pick.

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2016, 04:50:35 AM »

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Don't really love any of draftexpress picks

Chriss at 3 is too high considering the other players on board even accounting for team needs - shouldn't brown or bender be higher than Chriss

Prince is an ok pick, I actually like him
I also like Richardson and bentil
But we could have picked better


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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2016, 06:28:22 AM »

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I don't like Chriss at 3. There are questions about his focus and commitment to the game.

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There are more concerns about Chriss defensively than there are positives. The statistic that sticks out like a sore thumb is Chriss’ poor defensive rebounding percentage. Chriss is 6-9 with 7-0 wingspan and he can jump out of the gym, but his defensive rebound rate as a freshman was a miserable 11.7 percent. For comparison, Chriss’ teammate, Dejounte Murray posted a defensive rebound rate of 13.7 percent as a 6-5 guard. The problem is that Chriss doesn’t actively box out waiting opponents and his lack of motor without points on the line is one of the bigger criticisms that exists for the first round prospect.

Chriss’ lack of engagement on the defensive end also translates to his one-on-one defense where he is rarely seated in a defensive stance. He’s quick enough to stay in front of his man, but his lack of fundamentals and discipline shine in a poor way defensively. Those traits are reflected in Chriss’ inability to stay on the floor. He averaged 6.5 fouls per 40 minutes, which is one of the big reasons he was limited to just 24.9 minutes per game at Washington.

The bet on Chriss here is that his lack of focus and control defensively is a product of his youth. He’s one of the youngest players in the class and there are some promising signs that with improved fundamentals, Chriss could be a plus defender in the NBA. In particular, Chriss was a decent weak side shot blocker as a freshman, averaging 2.6 blocks per 40 minutes and posting a 5.8 percent block rate. He has the length and quickness to be a quality help defender if he’s willing to play with the necessary effort on that end of the floor.

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Chriss is a potential home run given his offensive upside and defensive potential, but there are enough red flags that suggest he could be a slow grounder to the second baseman to limit his ceiling in the draft order. However, given that the 2016 class lacks a large pool of candidates with similar upside, it wouldn’t be surprising to see Chriss come off the board in the top 10 come June.

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/05/09/2016-nba-draft-scouting-report-marquese-chriss/

Me too. That is almost the exact opposite of who they've drafted since Brad has had significant draft input, I think.

Smart and Rozier are bulldogs...Chris's doesn't fit that mold.

And with such a high pick...you want to see a strong mentality.

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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2016, 07:08:36 AM »

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I really like Deyonta Davis, but how do we land him? Cant's see him lasting til our second pick.

16 and 23 to move up and grab him?

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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2016, 07:16:06 AM »

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I really like Deyonta Davis, but how do we land him? Cant's see him lasting til our second pick.

16 and 23 to move up and grab him?

He's projected in the 10-13 range. If the deal floating around of 3 for 4 and 13 ends up going through then we should have a great chance of moving up to grab him

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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2016, 07:26:48 AM »

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I'm confused as to why he has jumped up this week. If it's because of inside info on the C's then I'd be surprised considering the focus on Bender and Brown this week. If it is in general then it is one heck of a jump but I guess it further increases the pool of players for that #3 spot. All it will take is one team to fall in love with a player and our pick becomes very valuable

I think guys who think Ainge is going to take Bender have fell for the smokescreen.   Out of all the guys Ainge has drafted, he drafted 4 foreign players, two of which played NCAA basketball.   I think he covered his bases to be safe but saying a guy has a long ways to go, does not help us unless Ainge is stirring doubt and trying to get him at 16.   If he wanted to pump up his trade value he does not say this comment.   He might be interested in seeing Bender drop later in the draft.  Maybe he is going to trade with Phoenix after all?  I could see us trading down if we are taking Chriss.

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Smart and Rozier are bulldogs...Chris's doesn't fit that mold.

Neither Sully or KO are bulldogs, so there goes that mold out the window.

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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2016, 08:14:54 AM »

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I'm confused as to why he has jumped up this week. If it's because of inside info on the C's then I'd be surprised considering the focus on Bender and Brown this week. If it is in general then it is one heck of a jump but I guess it further increases the pool of players for that #3 spot. All it will take is one team to fall in love with a player and our pick becomes very valuable

I think guys who think Ainge is going to take Bender have fell for the smokescreen.   Out of all the guys Ainge has drafted, he drafted 4 foreign players, two of which played NCAA basketball.   I think he covered his bases to be safe but saying a guy has a long ways to go, does not help us unless Ainge is stirring doubt and trying to get him at 16.   If he wanted to pump up his trade value he does not say this comment.   He might be interested in seeing Bender drop later in the draft.  Maybe he is going to trade with Phoenix after all?  I could see us trading down if we are taking Chriss.

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Smart and Rozier are bulldogs...Chris's doesn't fit that mold.

Neither Sully or KO are bulldogs, so there goes that mold out the window.

This criticism is consistently unwarranted. It's not like he's passed on a Porzingis or Dirk. The only example of a foreign guy drafted a few spots after an Ainge pick is Antetokounmpo who was projected as the biggest boom/bust risk in a decade.

To say he won't draft a Euro big because it isn't Ainge's style is underestimating his ability. He will pick whoever is BPA as he has shown in recent years. If that turns out to be Bender, he will pick him

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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2016, 01:47:43 PM »

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Yes.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2643466-nba-rumors-latest-buzz-on-ben-simmons-marquese-chriss-and-2016-draft-plans

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Washington Huskies big man Marquese Chriss is the definition of a high-ceiling prospect thanks to his age (18 years old), developing jumper and outrageous athleticism, and teams are beginning to take notice during the workout phase of the predraft process.

According to DraftExpress, the 6'10", 233-pound Chriss notched a max vertical jump of 38 ½ inches at the NBA Draft Combine in mid-May thanks in part to his wingspan of just over seven feet.

What a goofy statement.  How could his wingspan have any impact on his vertical leap?  What did he do, flap his wings during the vert jump drill?

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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2016, 02:11:38 PM »

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Yes.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2643466-nba-rumors-latest-buzz-on-ben-simmons-marquese-chriss-and-2016-draft-plans

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Washington Huskies big man Marquese Chriss is the definition of a high-ceiling prospect thanks to his age (18 years old), developing jumper and outrageous athleticism, and teams are beginning to take notice during the workout phase of the predraft process.

According to DraftExpress, the 6'10", 233-pound Chriss notched a max vertical jump of 38 ½ inches at the NBA Draft Combine in mid-May thanks in part to his wingspan of just over seven feet.

What a goofy statement.  How could his wingspan have any impact on his vertical leap?  What did he do, flap his wings during the vert jump drill?

It does say "outrageous."