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Re: Pelton Projects Bender better than Ingam
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2016, 09:37:34 PM »

Offline esel1000

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Good hopefully, Ingram drops to us.

Man if Bender kills it in workouts everything could change

Re: Pelton Projects Bender better than Ingam
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2016, 09:38:43 PM »

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CoachBo - Can you give me more info? Why are you so down on Bender?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not impressed by his numbers this past season, but there is a narrative where a supremely talented, athletic 17-18 year old deferred to adults and therefore was not as productive.

Assertiveness is an issue. Defined offensive skill set is an issue. Skinniness and subsequent foul issues and defensive rebounding issues are a concern.

Can you give me more of your opinion?

Yeah, and who is this scout friend of yours? Has he visited Bender overseas to scout him personally? Has he watched him practice? Has he spoken to coaches, teammates, etc.? It's hard to use the term "pseudo-scout" about Pelton who is very good with analytics, when you have yet to post any of the credentials your scout friend seemingly possesses.

Re: Pelton Projects Bender better than Ingam
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2016, 09:39:37 PM »

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There went Pelton's credibility.

It's funny because I've never seen a post of yours that is longer than a few sentences, and they are always limited to some bombastic, outlandish statement with no stats, insider opinion, or video evidence whatsoever.


Pelton gave a much more convincing and thorough case for than you have against up to this point. Saying things like  "Bender is a bust" or "Dragan = Darko" only gets you so far if you don't have anything to back it up.

I'd almost say that drafting Bender is a win-win because either he will be a good player or we will be entertained by a CoachBo meltdown on the forum, and possibly both.  I think I might have to stop researching players and just root for the Celtics to take Bender because of that outcome.

I am not as easily persuaded by some pseudo-scout without any credibility like Pelton, certainly not against the opinion of people working in the league currently, let alone my own, who have looked at the stats Bender does not have and watched his feeble game.

I also don't live in the fantasy world where a GM with, at best, a 44 percent hit rate in the draft is a savant. I know better.

My view will not waiver: Bender would be the biggest draft mistake in Celtics history. Other fan opinions, reliant on any self-professed "scout" with a computer, do not daunt that view in the slightest, nor will they.

What is your % hit rate in the draft? Just so we can get some perspective here.

Re: Pelton Projects Bender better than Ingam
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2016, 09:43:34 PM »

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There went Pelton's credibility.

It's funny because I've never seen a post of yours that is longer than a few sentences, and they are always limited to some bombastic, outlandish statement with no stats, insider opinion, or video evidence whatsoever.


Pelton gave a much more convincing and thorough case for than you have against up to this point. Saying things like  "Bender is a bust" or "Dragan = Darko" only gets you so far if you don't have anything to back it up.

I'd almost say that drafting Bender is a win-win because either he will be a good player or we will be entertained by a CoachBo meltdown on the forum, and possibly both.  I think I might have to stop researching players and just root for the Celtics to take Bender because of that outcome.

I am not as easily persuaded by some pseudo-scout without any credibility like Pelton, certainly not against the opinion of people working in the league currently, let alone my own, who have looked at the stats Bender does not have and watched his feeble game.

I also don't live in the fantasy world where a GM with, at best, a 44 percent hit rate in the draft is a savant. I know better.

My view will not waiver: Bender would be the biggest draft mistake in Celtics history. Other fan opinions, reliant on any self-professed "scout" with a computer, do not daunt that view in the slightest, nor will they.

What is your % hit rate in the draft? Just so we can get some perspective here.

He was head over heals over Beasley, in a draft that included Love and Westbrook, so what does that do to his batting average?