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Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2016, 09:56:07 PM »

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(1) I am going small in the starting lineup. Moving Sully to the bench and starting Turner.
(2) Crowder slides over to PF. He performed better there than at SF yesterday. Less stress on his ankle / less exposed to limitations of his ankle against slower bigger forwards.
(3) Smart to replace Bradley in the starting lineup
(4) Rozier to replace Smart as lead backup guard

(5) If Rozier does not deliver, I move to RJ Hunter
(6) Zeller as possible matchup vs Muscala if team not scoring inside. 3rd string.

(7) I use Sully as my backup center.
[8] Olynyk as backup PF vs Mike Scott
[9] Jerebko as backup PF vs Paul Millsap when Crowder is resting or back at SF.

(10) James Young as 3rd string SF. Match up against Tim Hardaway or Thabo Sefolosha.
(11) No Mickey. Does not matchup well against Horford / Millsap due to lack of physical strength and lack of fundamental defense. Mike Scott has advantage over Mickey due to three point shot. Mickey could play against Muscala but I think Sully, Olynyk and Zeller all offer more against Muscala than Mickey does.
TP! this is what I want, you saved me a lot of time typing yours out.

Same here, except I'd be more willing to use Mickey than Zeller or Young. Going small has worked the best for us against them, so we might as well start off with it, too.
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Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2016, 10:02:22 PM »

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i'm not sure we can count on KO with the injury. i do agree his offense will be important. it's too bad his release is so [dang] slow.

millsap could scorch him, though. he got BURNED on that and1 saturday.

Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2016, 10:08:52 PM »

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(1) I am going small in the starting lineup. Moving Sully to the bench and starting Turner.
(2) Crowder slides over to PF. He performed better there than at SF yesterday. Less stress on his ankle / less exposed to limitations of his ankle against slower bigger forwards.
(3) Smart to replace Bradley in the starting lineup
(4) Rozier to replace Smart as lead backup guard

(5) If Rozier does not deliver, I move to RJ Hunter
(6) Zeller as possible matchup vs Muscala if team not scoring inside. 3rd string.

(7) I use Sully as my backup center.
[8] Olynyk as backup PF vs Mike Scott
[9] Jerebko as backup PF vs Paul Millsap when Crowder is resting or back at SF.

(10) James Young as 3rd string SF. Match up against Tim Hardaway or Thabo Sefolosha.
(11) No Mickey. Does not matchup well against Horford / Millsap due to lack of physical strength and lack of fundamental defense. Mike Scott has advantage over Mickey due to three point shot. Mickey could play against Muscala but I think Sully, Olynyk and Zeller all offer more against Muscala than Mickey does.
TP! this is what I want, you saved me a lot of time typing yours out.

Same here, except I'd be more willing to use Mickey than Zeller or Young. Going small has worked the best for us against them, so we might as well start off with it, too.
Smart plays 30 minutes so maybe he gets another 6 minutes. So I think it's more about having to throw an inexperienced guy like Rozier out there or stretching out our starters and tiring them out. That's the part I'm most worried about.

The other part is, we have a few basic plays we run when things aren't going well. The Dribble handoff with AB shooting from just outside the free throw line area is one of our money plays. Not having that play will hurt the team.

Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2016, 10:11:22 PM »

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Smart starts with IT, Crowder, Amir and Sully.

Sully is first subbed out and Turner comes in. IT, Smart, Turner, Crowder, Amir

Crowder and Amir come out and are replaced by Jerebko and KO. IT, Smart, Turner, Jerebko, KO.

Quarter ends.

Start of next quarter start Rozier, Turner, Jerebko, KO, and Sully

Crowder, IT return. Turner and Jerebko sit. IT, Rozier, Crowder, KO, Sully.

Amir returns. Sully sits. IT, Rozier, Crowder, KO, Amir.

Smart and Zeller come in. Rozier and KO sit. IT, Smart, Crowder, Amir, Zeller.

Sully comes in Zeller sits. IT, Smart, Crowder, Amir, Sully.

Second quarter ends.

Repeat in second half.

I also think Rozier and Zeller only see very limited minutes 3-4 max per half. Smart, Crowder and IT have to log huge minutes. Jerebko, Amir, KO and Sully would probably see their normal minutes.

If KO is hurt, Jerebko has to get more of his minutes and an adjustment needs to occur to play more small ball.
I agree about Roz. He probably won't see many minutes. When he does I will be very nervous during those stretches. The rookies proved this year that they completely disrupt the offensive flow.

Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2016, 11:12:44 PM »

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There's no one guy that has to step up. Multiple guys need to step up. You're leaning on Smart + Turner to play heavy minutes at the 1 + 2, which means that Crowder is getting all his minutes at the 3. That means more minutes for our bigs. Ideal distribution of minutes imo:

Guards: IT 35 mins, Smart 25, Turner 32, Hunter 4
SF: Crowder 35, Smart 10, Turner 3
Bigs: Amir 30, Sully 30, Olynyk 20, Jerebko 16

-Don't like playing JJ 16 minutes, but I don't see an alternative. Olynyk's shoulder is still sore; even 20 may be pushing it. Amir's feet. Sully is not in good enough shape to be effective in heavy minutes.
-Can Crowder play 35 mins on his ankle? We badly need him to.
-I think we need Hunter's floor spacing more than Rozier's defense + ballhandling.
-I don't think IT can play insanely many minutes given his ultra-high-usage role in the offense, but it will be tempting to put him out there for 40 minutes, and tell him to conserve energy on defense.

Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2016, 11:19:42 PM »

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I think we need to see some more of IT off the ball. It's worked for us earlier in the year some, and without Bradley it'd add another outside threat to be off the ball. Have ET and Smart initiate the offense at times and get Teague running off of screens and make Korver play defense.
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Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2016, 11:58:49 PM »

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Let Rozier take Bradley's place.

Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2016, 02:49:30 AM »

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At this point, why not just shorten the rotation?

Start IT, Smart, Crowder, Amir and Sully

bench: Turner, Jerebko, KO

It's the playoffs. We could only have 3 games left, no point in saving anyone's legs. I'd keep IT out there almost the whole game. Certainly no 5-6 minute rests. just a minute or 2 around quarters. I'd play Smart and Crowder a ton too. These are the only guys we have that have another level they could step up to. If we come away from the playoffs saying, well the silver lining to AB going down was X stepped up. X = Crowder or Smart.

Throwing the rookies in there at this point is not a great idea. That's throwing in the towel and saying, well at least give them some playoff experience. Not yet. We still have a chance. Go with the guys who got us this far. 8 players. If we lose the next 2, fine, play everyone on the roster, but not now.

Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2016, 02:57:55 AM »

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Foul trouble makes it that C's almost always need 10 guys. C's foul a lot.

Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2016, 06:14:21 AM »

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Another option is to move Rozier into the starting lineup to watch Teague, concentrate on hitting cutters and getting KO into the offense, and then hide IT on Schroeder running heaps of high pick and roll stuff with the second unit.

Whatever we do though, we matchup badly with ATL. Millsap and Horford are nightmares...
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Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2016, 06:15:01 AM »

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I think we need to see some more of IT off the ball. It's worked for us earlier in the year some, and without Bradley it'd add another outside threat to be off the ball. Have ET and Smart initiate the offense at times and get Teague running off of screens and make Korver play defense.

That works.
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Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2016, 07:36:10 AM »

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(1) I am going small in the starting lineup. Moving Sully to the bench and starting Turner.
(2) Crowder slides over to PF. He performed better there than at SF yesterday. Less stress on his ankle / less exposed to limitations of his ankle against slower bigger forwards.
(3) Smart to replace Bradley in the starting lineup
(4) Rozier to replace Smart as lead backup guard

(5) If Rozier does not deliver, I move to RJ Hunter
(6) Zeller as possible matchup vs Muscala if team not scoring inside. 3rd string.

(7) I use Sully as my backup center.
[8] Olynyk as backup PF vs Mike Scott
[9] Jerebko as backup PF vs Paul Millsap when Crowder is resting or back at SF.

(10) James Young as 3rd string SF. Match up against Tim Hardaway or Thabo Sefolosha.
(11) No Mickey. Does not matchup well against Horford / Millsap due to lack of physical strength and lack of fundamental defense. Mike Scott has advantage over Mickey due to three point shot. Mickey could play against Muscala but I think Sully, Olynyk and Zeller all offer more against Muscala than Mickey does.

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I am not sure whether going small in the starting line up is best, but I would sure like to see some small ball along the lines described above.

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Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2016, 09:06:18 AM »

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It's the playoffs, shrink that crap down to 7 with bit players here and there (unless foul trouble)

PG - Thomas 40, Smart 8
SG - Smart 25, Turner 23
SF - Crowder 38, Turner 10
PF - Sullinger 35, Olynyk 13
C - Johnson 28, Olynyk 20

Total Minutes
Thomas 40
Crowder 38
Sullinger 35
Smart, Turner, Olynyk 33
Johnson 28
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Re: What rotations would you go with , with Bradley out?
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2016, 09:23:30 AM »

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(1) I am going small in the starting lineup. Moving Sully to the bench and starting Turner.
(2) Crowder slides over to PF. He performed better there than at SF yesterday. Less stress on his ankle / less exposed to limitations of his ankle against slower bigger forwards.
(3) Smart to replace Bradley in the starting lineup
(4) Rozier to replace Smart as lead backup guard

(5) If Rozier does not deliver, I move to RJ Hunter
(6) Zeller as possible matchup vs Muscala if team not scoring inside. 3rd string.

(7) I use Sully as my backup center.
[8] Olynyk as backup PF vs Mike Scott
[9] Jerebko as backup PF vs Paul Millsap when Crowder is resting or back at SF.

(10) James Young as 3rd string SF. Match up against Tim Hardaway or Thabo Sefolosha.
(11) No Mickey. Does not matchup well against Horford / Millsap due to lack of physical strength and lack of fundamental defense. Mike Scott has advantage over Mickey due to three point shot. Mickey could play against Muscala but I think Sully, Olynyk and Zeller all offer more against Muscala than Mickey does.

This makes sense. I do get worried about having IT and Turner on the floor together since they both seem to dominate the ball but I don't see another answer.